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After Tiller
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Since the assassination of Dr. George Tiller in Kansas in May 2009, there are only four American doctors left who openly provide third-trimester abortions. AFTER TILLER paints a complex, compassionate portrait of these physicians — Dr. LeRoy Carhart, Dr. Warren Hern, Dr. Susan Robinson and Dr. Shelley Sella — who have become the new number-one targets of the anti-abortion movement, yet continue to risk their lives every day to do work that many believe is murder, but which they believe is profoundly important for their patients' lives.
The film weaves together revealing, in-depth interviews with the doctors with intimate verite scenes from their lives and inside their clinics, where they counsel and care for their anxious, vulnerable patients at an important crossroads in their lives. By sharing the moving stories of several of these patients, AFTER TILLER illuminates the experiences of women who seek late abortions and the reasons why they do so.
'A rare and honest look inside abortion clinics. Like a fly on the wall, you hear women, and men with them, speaking of why they are there for a late-term abortion. Their doctors are deeply thoughtful and deeply caring. Providers tell why they are committed to providing abortion. Doctors hug patients over and over again! An incredible, surprising, and moving film. Valuable for classroom use for accurate information and discussion in health and medical studies, social sciences, philosophy, women's studies, college and high school.' Leslie J. Reagan, Professor of Gender and Women's Studies, Professor of History, University of Illinois-Urbana/Champaign, Author, When Abortion Was a Crime and Dangerous Pregnancies
'One of the most remarkable things about the superb new documentary film After Tiller...is that it was made at all...The young filmmakers gained extraordinary access to four abortion providers - access which includes not only extensive coverage of their abortion practices but, even more unusually, their family lives as well...After Tiller makes clear how profoundly gratifying it is to be of service to these women-and to continue the journey of their mentor and friend.' Carole Joffe, Professor, Bixby Center for Global Reproductive Health, University of California - San Francisco, Author of Dispatches from the Abortion Wars: The Costs of Fanaticism to Doctors, Patients, and the Rest of Us
'A powerful, elegantly crafted documentary...I was left with profound empathy for the providers who carry on despite continual threats of violence and an extreme toll on their personal lives and those of their families. I was moved by the stories of women who make the heart-breaking decision to end their pregnancies. The film does not supply pat or easy answers but fully displays the complex ethical issues that each woman faces as experts on their own lives. This film is a must-see for those interested in women's health issues and reproductive rights. It is appropriate for high school and college audiences.' Dr. Heather Munro Prescott, Professor of History, Central Connecticut State University, Author, The Morning After: A History of Emergency Contraception in the United States
'After Tiller presents an eye-opening, gentle account of the often trying circumstances that lead to pregnancy termination and the lengths that a handful of providers must go through to ensure that women have access to safe procedures when necessary. It will change your understanding of the reality of late-term abortion in the U.S.' Elena Gutierrez, Associate Professor, Gender and Women's Studies, University of Illinois, Co-author, Undivided Rights: Women of Color Organizing for Reproductive Justice
'Highly Recommended...Throughout the film, the filmmakers highlight each doctor's tremendous compassion for their patients and show their dedication to continuing Dr. Tiller's work despite death threats and constant protests from pro-life advocates. Although the film has a pro-choice slant, the divisive subject of abortion is handled with great sensitivity. Footage of the doctors talking with their patients before and after their procedures make it clear that the decision to give an abortion and the decision to have an abortion is a very serious and often heartbreaking one. After Tiller is recommended for mature audiences in high school health classes and students interested in medical ethics, medical humanities, or obstetrics.' Nell Aronoff, University at Buffalo, Educational Media Reviews Online
'An intimate glimpse into actual clinics as doctors, staff, and patients struggle with moral quandaries and cultural pressure while grappling with their incredibly personal decisions...For libraries that want to cover every angle of this still controversial issue, After Tiller is an important, sensitive, clear-eyed look at doctors and clinics in the center of the storm.' Joshua Peck, Palos Verdes Library District, Library Journal
'A powerful and provocative documentary about the abortion wars, this is highly recommended.' C. Cassady, Video Librarian
'The film captures the cruel irony that anti-abortionists work so hard to obscure from themselves, that their compassion for unborn children can only exist by disregarding or downplaying their compassion for the parents those children belong to. On the extreme end of an already touchy subject, After Tiller is elegantly simple, finding an emotional truth that might help put people in others' shoes, rather than preaching to the choir...Highly recommended.' Tyler Foster, DVD Talk
'Whether one is pro-life, pro-choice or without an opinion on the issue, After Tiller provides personal insight into a heart-wrenching, complex reality. The film does not pretend to be an answer to the abortion controversy but rather a presentation of the people who are demonized, correctly or incorrectly, for their actions.' The Hollywood Reporter
'Debuting helmers Martha Shane and Lana Wilson manage a rare feat in After Tiller, making a calm, humanist documentary about a hot-button topic...Well contextualized and sensitively shot with extraordinary access, the pic reflects the personal, moral and ethical struggles of the doctors as well as their patients, and deserves the widest possible audience.' Variety
'Intimate and heartfelt...Brings an emotional clarity to an issue in which every nuanced turn of phrase has been made politically complicated.' The Los Angeles Times
'Extraordinarily compassionate and thought-provoking...An important film that looks unblinkingly at an important subject.' FlavorWire
'One of the most courageous pieces of filmmaking I've ever seen. The film takes the issue out of pulpit/talk show screaming-match format and engages viewers' hearts and minds, reminding us why we need to make and watch documentary films at all.' Fandor
'One of the most emotionally wrenching and powerful non-fiction pieces this year.' Hollywood Chicago
'An intelligent, nuanced, and sensitive portrait of the last four remaining doctors in the U.S. who perform third-trimester abortions.' Indiewire
'A+! A terrific documentary that handles sensitively this controversial and heated topic.' Movie City News
'[Voices] complex sentiments too rarely heard on either side of such a polarizing issue.' The Onion
'Presents its extremely divisive and controversial subject matter with remarkable sensitivity...Admirably explores the fine nuances and specifics of these physicians' lives and the difficult decisions that they and their patients make. It may not make for the most sensationalistic account of the issue, but it's probably one of the most humanistic.' Screen International
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Main credits
Shane, Martha (film director)
Shane, Martha (film producer)
Shane, Martha (screenwriter)
Wilson, Lana (film director)
Wilson, Lana (film producer)
Wilson, Lana (screenwriter)
O'Toole, Greg (screenwriter)
Other credits
Edited by Greg O'Toole; director of photography, Hillary Spera; cinematographer, Emily Topper; original score by Andy Cabic and Eric D. Johnson.
Distributor subjects
American Studies; Anthropology; Civil Rights; Ethics; Health; Human Rights; Humanities; Law; Medical Ethics; Philosophy; Political Science; Psychology; Religion; Reproductive Rights; Sociology; Women's StudiesKeywords
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There are all sorts of dangers.
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Postal workers,
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firemen, police officers...
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Everything has a risk to it.
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I would prefer, personally,
to have a challenging,
stimulating...
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and emotionally
and spiritually
rewarding career...
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that is short...
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rather than have a long one
that is filled with mediocrity,
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feeling as if
you don\'t make
any difference to people.
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[ Dispatcher ]
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[ Woman ]
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[ Woman ] Tiller has performed
legal abortions since 1973.
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His Women\'s Health Care Servicesclinic
is just one of threenin the nation...
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which performnlate-term abortions...
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after the 21st weeknof pregnancy.
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[ Woman Crying ]
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[ Woman ♪2 ]
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[ Man ] For more than two decades,
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George Tiller was a targetnof
antiabortion extremists.
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His Wichita clinic was bombednin 1985.
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In 1993, he was shot in both arms.
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And then, at the age of 67,
he was murdered at church.
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[ Woman ]
So you caught him unaware.
I believe so.
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[ Woman ] And do you feelthat you have
successfullyncompleted your mission?
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He\'s been stopped.
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On Twitter, one person wrote,
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\"Oh, happy day. Tiller
the baby killer is dead.\"
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Another wrote,
\"God bless the gunman.\"
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Clearly, the passions
in this issue
have not gone away.
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This man is executing babiesabout
to be born, in late term...
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Tiller\'s dead. We move
on to the next battle.
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We move on to the next villain.
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Now, U.S. Marshals are stepping up
security for others who may be targets.
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[ Man ]The death of Dr. Tiller leaves...
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only four doctors in the country who are
able to performnlate-term abortions.
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Dr. Tiller and I
and all the staff realize
that we\'re targets,
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that we\'ve taken this job
knowing that we\'re targets.
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This is a...
The result of 35 years...
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of antiabortion harassment
and terrorism
and hateful behavior.
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We\'re doing a legal,
desperately needed service.
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Dr. Tiller knewthat I was going to
continuenthis work no matter what.
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And I am.
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Hail Mary, full of Grace.
The Lord is with thee.
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Blessed art thou among women,
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and blessed is
the fruit of they womb,
Jesus.
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Holy Mary, Mother of God,
pray for us sinners...
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now and at the hour
of our death, amen.
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Glory be to the Father,
to his Son, and to
the Holy Spirit, amen.
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[ Gel Squirts ]
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Okay.
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Okay.
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You\'re welcome to watch
or not watch anything.
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You\'re gonna see
what you want to see.
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[ Woman Clears Throat ]
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So, anything that\'s
bothering you for any reason
any time, call, okay?
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[ Crying ]
Sad? It\'s okay.
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You gonna be all right?
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[ Gasping ]
Yes. I just...
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I can\'t...
Take a deep breath
and hold it.
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Just take a deep breath
and then hold it.
You\'ll be fine.
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Now let it out slow.
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It\'s perfectly okay.
You know? It really is.
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[ Crying ]
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Yeah. It\'s emotion.
It\'s a point now in time
that you can start to heal.
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Okay?
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All right.
You take care, babe.
[ Sighs ]
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If you need
just to talk to somebody,
call us. Okay?
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[ Sobbing ]
Is somebody
with you today?
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[ Sobbing,
Speaking Indistinctly ]
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Where are you staying tonight?
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Um, I\'m just gonna
go back to Lincoln.
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I\'ll be fine.
[ Doctor ]
I know you will.
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But you gotta remember,
you\'re an hour away.
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So if you have any questions
or problems tonight,
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call at the beginning
of the question and problem.
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Don\'t wait for an hour or two
to find out where you are.
Okay. I will.
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Okay. Thank you.
I\'d rather
talk to you ten times...
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and tell you
everything\'s okay than wish
I\'d talked to you once.
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[ Sniffling ]
Thank you. Bye-bye.
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[ Doctor ]George\'s life
pathnaffected all of us.
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You know, only thingnwe have to do...
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Shelley and Susan and Dr.
Hern and myself...
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Is to continue his work.
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[ Woman ] The battleground over
abortion moves from Kansas to Nebraska.
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[ Man ] At the centernof this
national debate, NDr. LeRoy Carhart.
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Carhart pledged to continueproviding
third-trimesternabortion services...
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after a Kansas abortion providernwas
murdered earlier this year.
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You know, George and I
are both ex-military.
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And the mission is first. And he always
saidnthe most important thing...
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is thatnthe practice carries on.
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And so, the day that Dr.
Tillernwas murdered,
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there was justno other thoughts in
my mindnbut to carry on the mission.
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[ Woman ]
Thank you.
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[ Chuckles ]
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I love it when people
keep saying, \"But when are
you gonna do the shot?\"
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\"I already
did the shot.\"
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\"You did?
I didn\'t feel anything.\"
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\"When are you
gonna do the shot?\"
[ Chuckles ]
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You know, after Dr. Tiller
was assassinated,
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there was absolutely no question
in the three doctors
who worked for him...
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In any of our minds... that we were
gonnankeep on doing this work.
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You know, Shelley and I decidednwe
wanna do this together.
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It\'s kind ofnlike a package deal.
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And so, we finally founda clinic
in New Mexico, in Albuquerque...
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that wanted to add this servicenso
we could go work there.
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And, since we both livenin California,
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we alternate weeksnflying there to work.
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- [ Sella ]
If it was which way?
- If it\'s out like that.
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Then I need to go in
and medicate.
Right, yeah. This means go in.
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And this means, \"I\'m in.\"
Yeah.
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[ Sella ]So the way I metnDr. Tiller was...
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I had started working as an
abortion provider in California.
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And I had gone to a conference.
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And he was there,
and he said, \"The woman\'s body
is smarter than the doctor\'s.\"
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So, you know, I had comenfrom
a midwifery background.
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So when I heard that, I just piped up.
N \"Oh, that\'s midwifery.\"
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And he was a little startled.
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You know, \"What?\"
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I said,
\"Oh, that\'s midwifery.\"
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And within five minutes,
he had offered me a job.
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That\'s how we met.
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I really, really, reallynliked him.
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And I felt very close to him. And
I did consider him a friend.
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And I miss him a lot.
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And there\'s so often times
where I think,
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\"Oh, God.
I\'d really like to call him
and talk to him.\"
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Yeah, I miss him tremendously.
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Both of you have a baby
who\'s really sick.
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And both of you
are facing babies
that would really suffer a lot.
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And that\'s why you\'re here,
really.
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So, that\'s
what you have in common.
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[ Woman ♪1 ]
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Well,
I think, 28, 29 or 30.
Okay.
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Because we\'ve had one doctor
say one thing and then another
say another.
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I mean, did you all
find out through sonogram?
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Yeah, we did.
We actually found out
about a week and a half ago.
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Up until then, I mean,
we thought everything was fine.
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Then we went in
and saw the ultrasound.
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They said she had a disease
called arthrogryposis...
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where she can\'t bend
at her joints.
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So she wouldn\'t be able
to walk or...
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I mean, everyday tasks,
like eating and stuff. She
would need help with everything.
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[ Man ] And we\'re both athletes.
We know how it feels like
to have fun, play, run around.
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And just knowing that
our daughter won\'t be able
to do that was...
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It was pretty hard to live with.
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So we decided that
it was just... rather not
put her through all that.
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Like, would we want to
have lived our lives
like that?
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Like just try to
put ourselves in how she
would have felt growing up.
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It just didn\'t seem fair to her.
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Mm-hmm.
So...
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What\'s it been like for you?
[ Man ]
It\'s been really hard.
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Well, my sister had a baby,
a girl. My other sister\'s
pregnant right now.
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About to have a boy.
Mmm.
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And I was the third,
about to have a girl.
So everybody was excited.
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And now, it\'s kind of like...
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- It\'s kind of over now.
- Yeah.
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[ Sniffles ]
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[ Sella ]I think aboutnwhat
I do all the time.
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And I recognize what I do.
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And at times I struggle,
and at times I don\'t.
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But I always come back...
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to the woman and what
she\'s going through.
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And... often,
what life will this...
will this baby have?
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What will it mean
to be alive with horrific
fetal abnormalities?
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It\'s not just about being alive. It\'s
about life and what does it mean?
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Thank you.
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[ Woman ♪1 ]
Okay.
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- Ours is a corpus callosum.
- Mm-hmm.
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Obviously, if the baby
didn\'t get part of his brain,
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what outcome of that
can possibly be good?
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And ours has been guilt.
Because it\'s guilt
no matter which way you go.
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Guilt if you go ahead
and do what we\'re doin\',
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or bring \'em into this world
and then he doesn\'t have
any quality of life.
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[ Man ♪2 ]
Um, we\'d already gone shoppin\'
for the room.
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And we\'d already bought a crib.
And we had already
bought dressers.
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And we had already bought
a lot of stuff and then...
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we talked, and we tried
to figure out why this happened
and what we had done wrong.
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\'Cause I have
an 11-year-old son already.
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And he\'s a good kid.
And he\'s perfect.
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So, uh...
And I coach him
in all his sports.
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And we just finished basketball.
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And when we met
with you yesterday,
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when you left the room,
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I mean, we...
I-I... we prayed.
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And I said,
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\"If I\'m not supposed to be here,
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if we\'re not
supposed to do this,
give us a sign right now.
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And we\'ll get up,
and we\'ll leave.\"
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I want my child to have
as good a chance as anybody
and have a quality of life...
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I mean, most people
they wouldn\'t under...
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They never go through anything
like this. They don\'t understand
the guilt that goes along.
00:12:45.334 --> 00:12:46.292
You wanna do the right thing.
00:12:46.293 --> 00:12:52.417
This is not, per se,
the right thing as
some people would view it.
00:12:52.542 --> 00:12:54.583
But I think in the end
it\'s best for the baby...
00:12:54.584 --> 00:12:59.041
not to bring them
into this hard world...
like that.
00:12:59.042 --> 00:13:02.082
And obviously,
these babies,
they will be angels.
00:13:02.083 --> 00:13:05.041
And they will go to heaven.
They haven\'t done anything.
00:13:05.042 --> 00:13:09.917
Why... Why do those things
happen to people
that do want \'em?
00:13:09.918 --> 00:13:12.333
You know?
What do you go home
and say?
00:13:12.334 --> 00:13:17.416
[ Sella ] Well, actually,
let me give you a few tips
of what to say.
00:13:17.417 --> 00:13:19.541
The baby was sick.
00:13:19.542 --> 00:13:24.417
We went for testing.
The baby didn\'t make it.
00:13:25.250 --> 00:13:27.999
It\'s hard for me
to talk about it right now.
00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:31.584
That\'s four sentences.
The baby was sick.
00:13:31.709 --> 00:13:35.791
Yeah.
We went for testing.
Yeah.
00:13:35.792 --> 00:13:38.416
The baby didn\'t make it.
Yes.
00:13:38.417 --> 00:13:40.875
It\'s hard for me
to talk about it right now.
00:13:40.876 --> 00:13:42.917
There\'s nothing else
you need to say.
00:13:42.918 --> 00:13:45.583
What\'s important
is that you\'ve had a loss,
00:13:45.584 --> 00:13:48.876
and right now it\'s hard
for you to talk about it.
00:13:57.250 --> 00:13:59.999
[ Sella ]After a woman has hadna
third-trimester abortion,
00:14:00.000 --> 00:14:03.500
I routinely askndo you feel any regrets.
00:14:03.501 --> 00:14:08.792
And I have yet to hearanyone say
that, n \"Yes, I regret it.\"
00:14:10.417 --> 00:14:11.666
But that\'s just the next day.
00:14:11.667 --> 00:14:18.249
I don\'t know how she\'ll feel
a week later, a year later,
two years later.
00:14:18.250 --> 00:14:20.959
And she doesn\'t know either.
00:14:23.584 --> 00:14:25.333
And I say, you know,
00:14:25.334 --> 00:14:29.500
you made your decision
based on what\'s going on
for you now.
00:14:29.501 --> 00:14:34.625
You can\'t lookinto the future
and know where you\'ll be.
00:14:34.626 --> 00:14:37.374
[ No Audible Dialogue ]
00:14:37.375 --> 00:14:42.375
So, if you should feel regret,
and you might,
00:14:42.626 --> 00:14:44.917
try to be kind to yourself.
00:14:44.918 --> 00:14:49.917
And try to remember
why you made
your decision...
00:14:49.918 --> 00:14:51.751
then.
00:14:53.876 --> 00:14:56.667
Because life has changed.
00:15:02.709 --> 00:15:05.082
[ Man ] This is considered
a \"late-term facility.\"
00:15:05.083 --> 00:15:07.791
This is specificallynwhat they target.
00:15:07.792 --> 00:15:10.917
He\'s one of the few
in the States
that does it.
00:15:10.918 --> 00:15:12.249
How do you know that?
They\'re
all visibly pregnant.
00:15:12.250 --> 00:15:16.666
You see that they have stomachs,
are going in here
and coming out with no stomachs.
00:15:16.667 --> 00:15:18.833
No, they don\'t come out
with no stomachs.
Oh.
00:15:18.834 --> 00:15:23.334
- It takes a few days.
- It\'s hideous.
Absolutely hideous.
00:15:23.501 --> 00:15:25.958
[ Man ]
So I just wanna pray,
just for the...
00:15:25.959 --> 00:15:28.625
You know, for the children
that have been lost.
00:15:28.626 --> 00:15:32.833
We ask for, um, healing
for these mothers...
00:15:32.834 --> 00:15:36.750
that are... the ones
choosing to do this.
00:15:36.751 --> 00:15:41.625
And this, Lord,
this just feels like evil here.
00:15:41.626 --> 00:15:42.917
Good morning,
Dr. Hern.
00:15:42.918 --> 00:15:44.625
Good morning.
How are you today?
Good.
00:15:44.626 --> 00:15:46.583
Did you want
the first patients
set up?
00:15:46.584 --> 00:15:48.417
Yeah, please.
Okay.
00:15:49.083 --> 00:15:54.625
Isn\'t it ridiculous that people
get together to smoke marijuana
in a public place?
00:15:54.626 --> 00:15:56.875
See what it does to your brain?
00:15:56.876 --> 00:15:58.291
[ Clears Throat ]
00:15:58.292 --> 00:16:01.751
Yeah, for most people,
it doesn\'t matter.
00:16:16.501 --> 00:16:20.583
[ Hern ]
So, um, how are you feeling?
[ Woman ] Yeah, much better.
00:16:20.584 --> 00:16:22.791
Yeah?
I\'m glad it\'s done.
00:16:22.792 --> 00:16:27.583
And I feel relieved
that I can put
what happened behind me...
00:16:27.584 --> 00:16:29.750
Right.
And move on with my life.
00:16:29.751 --> 00:16:32.249
When did you first
start thinking
you might be pregnant?
00:16:32.250 --> 00:16:35.416
When I missed
my first period
about 25 weeks ago.
00:16:35.417 --> 00:16:38.666
And I just pretended
I was so stressed out
from it,
00:16:38.667 --> 00:16:41.750
that it was just stress
that was causing me to miss it.
Yeah, mm-hmm.
00:16:41.751 --> 00:16:43.999
I didn\'t want to
face reality.
Right.
00:16:44.000 --> 00:16:44.876
And then I did.
Mm-hmm.
00:16:44.877 --> 00:16:47.750
Did you report this
to the police
or anything?
00:16:47.751 --> 00:16:48.791
No, I never reported it
to the police.
00:16:48.792 --> 00:16:52.374
But I have been
seeing a counselor
and she said, \"You need to go.\"
00:16:52.375 --> 00:16:54.208
Good.
You should report it.
Yeah.
00:16:54.209 --> 00:16:57.834
The person that raped you
committed a crime.
00:16:57.918 --> 00:17:01.583
And that\'s...
That\'s not okay.
It\'s not acceptable.
00:17:01.584 --> 00:17:06.458
And, it\'s, uh... This person
can\'t be permitted
to do that to you...
00:17:06.459 --> 00:17:07.708
or to anybody else.
00:17:07.709 --> 00:17:12.750
I\'d be mortified too
if I found out he did it
to someone else later on.
00:17:12.751 --> 00:17:16.750
[ Stammers ]
Even if that weren\'t true,
00:17:16.751 --> 00:17:20.291
you-you...
you need to have justice.
Yeah.
00:17:20.292 --> 00:17:23.082
You know,
if you need any help,
you just let me know.
00:17:23.083 --> 00:17:27.041
Mm-kay.
That you were here and
you needed to have this done.
00:17:27.042 --> 00:17:29.750
Mm-kay. Thank you.
That means a lot to me.
00:17:29.751 --> 00:17:33.208
You bet. Okay?
Okay. I will report it.
00:17:33.209 --> 00:17:36.750
So, you\'re gonna come here
for your follow-up exam?
Yep.
00:17:36.751 --> 00:17:37.584
Okay.
In a month.
00:17:37.585 --> 00:17:39.750
Well, you have
a safe trip home.
I will.
00:17:39.751 --> 00:17:44.333
Okay? I think you better
stay off the slopes
for the next few weeks,
00:17:44.334 --> 00:17:46.750
even though
there might be
some snow up here.
00:17:46.751 --> 00:17:48.875
I will.
Thank you so much.
Okay?
00:17:48.876 --> 00:17:50.666
You\'re welcome. You have
a safe trip home. Okay?
00:17:50.667 --> 00:17:53.083
I will.
[ Hern ]
All right?
00:17:54.751 --> 00:17:58.541
When I was in medical school,
I loved delivering babies.
00:17:58.542 --> 00:17:59.583
I thought it was wonderful.
00:17:59.584 --> 00:18:05.541
You know, I thoughtthe whole thing was
miraculous. People were very happy.
00:18:05.542 --> 00:18:07.584
I loved doing that.
00:18:08.834 --> 00:18:11.291
And then, when I wasa Peace
Corps physiciannin Brazil,
00:18:11.292 --> 00:18:15.750
there was one wardfull of women
recoveringnfrom childbirth,
00:18:15.751 --> 00:18:19.917
and there were two wardsfull of women
recoveringnfrom illegal abortion.
00:18:19.918 --> 00:18:25.834
About 40 or 50% of the women whonhad
had illegal abortions died.
00:18:26.709 --> 00:18:29.082
And then when
I was on pediatrics,
00:18:29.083 --> 00:18:32.875
we took care of,
uh, children, babies...
00:18:32.876 --> 00:18:35.751
They were abused,
they were battered.
00:18:36.083 --> 00:18:41.082
And these babies would come in
and be hopelessly, uh, damaged.
00:18:41.083 --> 00:18:43.833
Brain damage and terribly injured.
00:18:43.834 --> 00:18:48.833
Because the parentsdidn\'t want them or
they werennot prepared to be parents...
00:18:48.834 --> 00:18:49.417
nor whatever.
00:18:49.418 --> 00:18:54.458
There was a stark contrast
between the women who were
having babies they wanted...
00:18:54.459 --> 00:18:56.541
and ready to care for them...
00:18:56.542 --> 00:18:59.791
and the women who, for one reason or other,
00:18:59.792 --> 00:19:04.249
were not going totake care of their
babies and continue with that.
00:19:04.250 --> 00:19:09.917
So I\'ve looked at this
from the beginning
as a public health issue.
00:19:09.918 --> 00:19:11.917
I met Dr. Tillernin the late \'70s.
00:19:11.918 --> 00:19:17.626
The first time that I dida
third-trimester abortionnwas in 1982.
00:19:17.918 --> 00:19:19.082
And during the lastn15 years or so,
00:19:19.083 --> 00:19:25.000
we were among the only peoplein the
world doingnreally late abortions.
00:19:34.209 --> 00:19:39.374
Good morning, sweetheart.
Honey, we\'re out here
because we care about you.
00:19:39.375 --> 00:19:41.666
You know, there\'s a center
right across the street...
00:19:41.667 --> 00:19:44.500
that will give you free help
and support.
00:19:44.501 --> 00:19:47.250
Please come out
and talk with us.
00:19:51.584 --> 00:19:53.583
You have a referral
for Dr. LeRoy Carhart.
00:19:53.584 --> 00:19:57.291
Obstetrics and Gynecology.
Guess that\'s a nice way
to put it.
00:19:57.292 --> 00:19:58.500
[ Chuckles ]
00:19:58.501 --> 00:19:59.958
Mm-hmm.
00:19:59.959 --> 00:20:01.666
[ Carhart ]Mary and Inmet
in the fifth grade.
00:20:01.667 --> 00:20:04.625
Her desk was in front of mine,
and I was always a pain
in the ass.
00:20:04.626 --> 00:20:09.999
She used to have pigtails.
I used to put \'em in...
They had real inkwells.
00:20:10.000 --> 00:20:11.625
And...
[ Chuckles ]
00:20:11.626 --> 00:20:16.917
So, we\'ve reallyjust been
togethernsince we were, like, 12.
00:20:16.918 --> 00:20:20.583
She\'s also the administrator
of the clinic, so...
00:20:20.584 --> 00:20:22.625
I really just do
what needs to be done,
00:20:22.626 --> 00:20:23.999
which is always a lot.
[ Chuckles ]
00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:29.958
[ Carhart ] I think the factthat she\'s
here gives menthe strength to continue.
00:20:29.959 --> 00:20:32.208
You know, I just thinknthat\'s
the total difference.
00:20:32.209 --> 00:20:35.958
He sleeps at night.
I\'m the one that
can\'t sleep at night.
00:20:35.959 --> 00:20:37.208
[ Chuckles ]
Yeah.
00:20:37.209 --> 00:20:41.542
But, uh... I just...
I just still worry.
00:20:41.626 --> 00:20:44.458
- Good evening,
I\'m Rob McCartney.
- I\'m Brandi Petersen.
00:20:44.459 --> 00:20:47.750
Nebraska is again atnthe forefront
of the abortion debate.
00:20:47.751 --> 00:20:48.875
Today lawmakers heard
a proposal...
00:20:48.876 --> 00:20:52.082
that would limit
any abortion in the state
to 20 weeks.
00:20:52.083 --> 00:20:54.666
[ Man ]Metal detectors andntight
security greet those...
00:20:54.667 --> 00:20:58.166
wanting to testify inthe Fetal Pain
Prevention Actnin the capitol building.
00:20:58.167 --> 00:21:03.541
It would place Nebraska asthe first state to
ban abortionsnafter 20 weeks of a pregnancy,
00:21:03.542 --> 00:21:06.583
because some say that\'snwhen
a fetus feels pain.
00:21:06.584 --> 00:21:08.583
In the wake
of Dr. Tiller\'s murder
in Kansas,
00:21:08.584 --> 00:21:12.708
Dr. Carhart,
a Bellevue physician,
commented to the press...
00:21:12.709 --> 00:21:16.291
that he was expanding
his late-term abortion
practice.
00:21:16.292 --> 00:21:19.416
While the bill does not impactnthe
majority of situations,
00:21:19.417 --> 00:21:25.082
it will provide a neededprotection for the
unborn childnwho is 20 weeks of age...
00:21:25.083 --> 00:21:26.500
from the painful proceduresnof an abortion.
00:21:26.501 --> 00:21:30.082
Our goal is not merely
to make abortion illegal,
but to make it unthinkable.
00:21:30.083 --> 00:21:33.917
Women deserve betterthan abortion,
and our society can do better.
00:21:33.918 --> 00:21:37.541
My bill does not
make the patient a criminal.
00:21:37.542 --> 00:21:41.875
The criminal sanctionapplies to
the providernof the abortion.
00:21:41.876 --> 00:21:45.917
[ Man ] I hate it that he\'s herein Nebraska.
I hate it thatnhe\'s anywhere in America.
00:21:45.918 --> 00:21:48.750
I mean, this guy is a...
Is a sick individual.
00:21:48.751 --> 00:21:53.750
[ Carhart ]If I just give up and
stopndoing anything after 20 weeks,
00:21:53.751 --> 00:21:57.208
some womenmay get desperate
and do things on their own.
00:21:57.209 --> 00:22:02.208
When I was in medical school,
it was during the time when
abortion was still not legal.
00:22:02.209 --> 00:22:07.875
And I saw a woman that I... I looked at
her cervix. I knew something was wrong.
00:22:07.876 --> 00:22:12.626
She just said,
\"I tried using a chopstick.\"
00:22:13.125 --> 00:22:15.958
And I\'ve had to start over,
like, three times now,
00:22:15.959 --> 00:22:17.291
because of the protestors.
00:22:17.292 --> 00:22:20.166
One more time, \"Can we do it?\"
And, \"Will we do it?\"
00:22:20.167 --> 00:22:23.584
If that\'s
what it comes down to, yes.
00:22:33.709 --> 00:22:39.583
Okay, well, I\'m glad you asked
that question. because this
is not going to be a surgery.
00:22:39.584 --> 00:22:44.082
This is going to be
a labor and delivery.
Okay?
00:22:44.083 --> 00:22:46.082
What we\'re going to do
on the first day...
00:22:46.083 --> 00:22:49.208
is we\'re going to start
dilating the cervical canal.
00:22:49.209 --> 00:22:52.291
The cervix is the opening
to the uterus.
00:22:52.292 --> 00:22:55.917
And also on that first day,
we euthanize the fetus.
00:22:55.918 --> 00:22:59.541
And that is done via injection,
00:22:59.542 --> 00:23:01.708
uh, through
your abdominal wall...
00:23:01.709 --> 00:23:05.708
and into the fetal heart
with a drug called digoxin.
00:23:05.709 --> 00:23:07.750
And that stops the heart.
Okay?
00:23:07.751 --> 00:23:14.250
The third day. And we\'re going
to be giving you a drug that\'s
going to induce contractions.
00:23:14.918 --> 00:23:20.791
Um, sometimes
the delivery will happen
very quickly.
00:23:20.792 --> 00:23:22.249
Sometimes it takes many hours.
00:23:22.250 --> 00:23:27.041
But, bottom line is,
you\'re gonna go through
a labor and delivery.
00:23:27.042 --> 00:23:31.791
Okay, so you need
to be psychologically
prepared for that.
00:23:31.792 --> 00:23:32.584
All right?
00:23:32.585 --> 00:23:36.541
So... And part of the reason
that we do abortions this way...
00:23:36.542 --> 00:23:40.416
is because we want to
preserve the integrity
of your reproductive organs.
00:23:40.417 --> 00:23:42.666
We want you to be able
to have kids in the future.
00:23:42.667 --> 00:23:44.666
To us,
that\'s a no-brainer, right?
[ Chuckles ]
00:23:44.667 --> 00:23:49.583
We want to be sure
that you can have a family
when you want to have a family.
00:23:49.584 --> 00:23:55.333
So, I would like you
to kind of not worry about
that anymore. All right?
00:23:55.334 --> 00:24:00.042
So, did you want
to go ahead and
schedule an appointment?
00:24:02.250 --> 00:24:04.459
Okay.
00:24:07.542 --> 00:24:10.917
So I\'ll do the procedure in two,
and then I\'ll meet in four.
00:24:10.918 --> 00:24:13.584
Okay.
Okay, thank you.
00:24:14.542 --> 00:24:16.333
- So, this is Monica.
- All right.
00:24:16.334 --> 00:24:19.333
But she\'s got
a lethal fetal condition.
Right, yes.
00:24:19.334 --> 00:24:24.125
She\'s very sad.
She says, \"I want this baby.
I want this baby.\"
00:24:24.542 --> 00:24:27.750
So, can you tell me
a little bit about,
00:24:27.751 --> 00:24:30.750
you know, when you first
found out about
this anomaly, and...
00:24:30.751 --> 00:24:35.374
how you reacted to that,
and a little bit about
the history of this pregnancy?
00:24:35.375 --> 00:24:40.541
Well, I was already 25...
Going on 26 weeks.
00:24:40.542 --> 00:24:47.959
Um, but the M.R.I. came back
with what\'s called
Walker-Warburg lissencephaly.
00:24:48.083 --> 00:24:51.917
Um, which is...
It\'s fatal, isn\'t it?
00:24:51.918 --> 00:24:56.583
Fatal in a lot of ways.
There\'s no way
to say when.
00:24:56.584 --> 00:25:00.666
It could be in utero.
He could be a stillborn.
00:25:00.667 --> 00:25:03.374
He would have
a very short-term life,
00:25:03.375 --> 00:25:08.374
full of shunts,
surgeries and seizures
until he would pass, so...
00:25:08.375 --> 00:25:13.708
All the doctors
that I talked to said
that he\'s not a viable child...
00:25:13.709 --> 00:25:18.500
and, um, that he would
eventually just be vegetative,
00:25:18.501 --> 00:25:23.124
and the most loving thing
I could do is to let him go now.
00:25:23.125 --> 00:25:24.333
[ Inhales Sharply ]
Um...
00:25:24.334 --> 00:25:27.500
We just didn\'t want to
have to make the choice later.
00:25:27.501 --> 00:25:30.082
[ Crying ]
\'Cause I don\'t know
if I could.
00:25:30.083 --> 00:25:32.917
To say...
To not ventilate him.
00:25:32.918 --> 00:25:37.917
Or to not do something
to save him...
if I\'m seeing him then.
00:25:37.918 --> 00:25:42.791
So I just couldn\'t...
I don\'t think I could make
that choice then, so...
00:25:42.792 --> 00:25:46.708
I didn\'t want to
have him suffer any more
than he had to.
00:25:46.709 --> 00:25:52.750
And it was really important
that he had somewhat of
a dignified birth, you know,
00:25:52.751 --> 00:25:54.583
that it wasn\'t just...
00:25:54.584 --> 00:25:55.083
I understand.
00:25:55.084 --> 00:26:00.583
You know, the fact that
we have the option to spend
some time with him afterwards...
00:26:00.584 --> 00:26:01.833
was really important.
00:26:01.834 --> 00:26:04.583
Yeah. And you will.
And you will.
00:26:04.584 --> 00:26:08.208
Oh, that\'s part of the grieving
process, and you need that.
Yeah.
00:26:08.209 --> 00:26:11.583
Yeah, I\'m so sorry.
I\'m so sorry.
00:26:11.584 --> 00:26:14.458
Thank you.
Yeah. Okay.
00:26:14.459 --> 00:26:16.625
I\'m good.
You\'re good?
00:26:16.626 --> 00:26:18.750
You\'re good,
but you\'re not good. Yeah.
00:26:18.751 --> 00:26:21.709
I don\'t wanna say good-bye.
00:26:30.459 --> 00:26:35.167
I hear such hugely sad things...
00:26:38.667 --> 00:26:42.417
that it just brings tears
to my eyes.
00:26:44.250 --> 00:26:47.249
And sometimesnthe fetal
indications patients,
00:26:47.250 --> 00:26:50.584
often they want tonsee and hold their baby.
00:26:53.417 --> 00:26:57.124
And in a viewing, where
somebody\'snholding their baby...
00:26:57.125 --> 00:26:59.791
that had something horriblenwrong with it,
00:26:59.792 --> 00:27:04.917
and they just... they decided to
terminatenthe pregnancy because...
00:27:04.918 --> 00:27:08.416
they couldn\'t bear the ideanof
putting their baby through...
00:27:08.417 --> 00:27:10.166
a lifetime
of pain and suffering,
00:27:10.167 --> 00:27:14.875
and then the only time
they get to say hello
to their baby,
00:27:14.876 --> 00:27:17.082
they have to be
saying good-bye to it too.
00:27:17.083 --> 00:27:20.416
And you could just see,
it rips them apart.
00:27:20.417 --> 00:27:25.249
And it\'s hard to sitand watch
somebody elsenbe horribly sad...
00:27:25.250 --> 00:27:28.584
without being sad oneself.
00:27:29.584 --> 00:27:33.918
That\'s one thingthat makes
this worknso trying.
00:28:26.125 --> 00:28:31.458
[ Carhart ] Both of our childrenrode horses
in New Jersey, when I was in medical school,
00:28:31.459 --> 00:28:32.209
and it was their hobby.
00:28:32.210 --> 00:28:36.625
So when we were movingout here, we had
promised \'emnthey could have horses.
00:28:36.626 --> 00:28:39.249
Two horses.
Two... One each.
Yeah.
00:28:39.250 --> 00:28:40.374
One each.
[ Chuckles ]
00:28:40.375 --> 00:28:44.500
[ Carhart ] So it justsort of snowballed,
eventuallynended up as a business.
00:28:44.501 --> 00:28:47.959
Boarding for 40 horses.
00:28:48.959 --> 00:28:50.917
And at that time, I was
a general surgeon...
00:28:50.918 --> 00:28:54.082
and hada general surgery
practicenon the other end of town.
00:28:54.083 --> 00:29:00.082
And my friend wasthe nursing director of
one ofnthe abortion clinics in Omaha.
00:29:00.083 --> 00:29:01.000
I watched a couple procedures,
00:29:01.001 --> 00:29:02.917
but the technical partwasn\'t
really whatnl was interested in.
00:29:02.918 --> 00:29:06.791
It was just talkingto the women, their
decisions and their discussions.
00:29:06.792 --> 00:29:11.709
And so I started working
for them in April of \'88.
00:29:13.918 --> 00:29:15.249
And the fire happened in \'91.
00:29:15.250 --> 00:29:18.875
[ Sirens Wailing ]
[ Fire Engine Horns Blowing ]
00:29:18.876 --> 00:29:21.417
[ Horses Whinnying ]
00:29:23.876 --> 00:29:29.500
The horses were just all deadwhere they
were in the stalls, just on the ground,
00:29:29.501 --> 00:29:30.999
and burnt.
00:29:31.000 --> 00:29:34.792
And the bar and everything was down.
Everything was gone.
00:29:36.250 --> 00:29:39.791
There were four horsesnthat
survived and 21 that died.
00:29:39.792 --> 00:29:42.584
[ Blusters ]
00:29:43.918 --> 00:29:47.500
My daughter was... nlt
was her 21st birthday.
00:29:47.501 --> 00:29:50.124
I got the call, as I said, about 3:00.
00:29:50.125 --> 00:29:51.917
The police said, \"Do you known
where your daughter is?\"
00:29:51.918 --> 00:29:56.209
And I said, \"I don\'t know,
but I\'ll try to find her.\"
00:29:57.918 --> 00:29:59.082
[ Barking ]
00:29:59.083 --> 00:30:04.250
I finally got ahold of her.
She was safe, at the clinic.
00:30:04.959 --> 00:30:06.041
[ Mary ] That was the scary thing.
00:30:06.042 --> 00:30:11.083
I said to myself thatif Janine was
okay, I wouldn\'t be upset by the fire.
00:30:11.626 --> 00:30:12.875
Yeah.
00:30:12.876 --> 00:30:18.918
So...
And I wasn\'t
for a long time, you know.
00:30:20.375 --> 00:30:23.249
[ Carhart ]The next day, we got
the letternfrom the protestors...
00:30:23.250 --> 00:30:29.209
justifying the killingof horses,
you know, since I killed children.
00:30:29.542 --> 00:30:33.541
You don\'t give into terroristsnbecause
it only gets worse.
00:30:33.542 --> 00:30:36.082
That\'s what really... nlt made me decide...
00:30:36.083 --> 00:30:40.374
I just said,\"Well, if they want
men to quit, then... I will.
00:30:40.375 --> 00:30:42.626
I\'ll quit everything else.\"
00:30:43.751 --> 00:30:46.291
So that\'s when I startednworking
for Dr. Tiller.
00:30:46.292 --> 00:30:52.375
And that\'s wherel was able to
learnnthird-trimester abortions.
00:30:56.042 --> 00:30:58.333
That was back in 1997.
00:30:58.334 --> 00:31:01.625
And the Republican Partynsaid
I was an abomination...
00:31:01.626 --> 00:31:03.583
and should be drivennfrom the state.
00:31:03.584 --> 00:31:07.250
So that\'s where I amnwith
the State of Nebraska.
00:31:15.709 --> 00:31:19.542
[ Robinson ]
Those are just beautiful.
00:31:21.083 --> 00:31:23.751
The card is darling.
00:31:26.042 --> 00:31:28.750
That\'s beautiful.
00:31:28.751 --> 00:31:31.667
That\'s really beautiful.
00:31:32.918 --> 00:31:34.875
I know that every day here
isn\'t very easy,
00:31:34.876 --> 00:31:38.999
but days like that,
like, you really gave us
a really great gift.
00:31:39.000 --> 00:31:42.625
Well, thank you.
And it felt
very precious to us.
00:31:42.626 --> 00:31:43.917
Oh.
So, thank you.
00:31:43.918 --> 00:31:46.708
It was...
It was precious to me too.
00:31:46.709 --> 00:31:50.541
And it was clear
that it was precious
and wonderful.
00:31:50.542 --> 00:31:52.958
And everybody who is here
was so loving.
00:31:52.959 --> 00:31:56.500
Like, I mean,
I\'ve never met more caring
and loving people.
00:31:56.501 --> 00:32:02.082
I sit out here and listen
to these people who shout
at you from the outside.
00:32:02.083 --> 00:32:08.292
And I think,
\"The exact opposite\'s happening
in the inside of the building.\"
00:32:08.459 --> 00:32:09.750
So nice of you to say.
00:32:09.751 --> 00:32:13.124
It\'s just been
such a precious experience.
00:32:13.125 --> 00:32:16.334
Yeah.
Any regrets?
00:32:16.584 --> 00:32:19.124
No.
It was...
00:32:19.125 --> 00:32:23.291
I was very glad that Hudson...
He was very beautiful...
00:32:23.292 --> 00:32:26.791
and you could tell
by feeling that there was
something wrong.
00:32:26.792 --> 00:32:29.291
He was really...
Yeah. Yeah.
00:32:29.292 --> 00:32:31.583
He was really sick.
Yeah.
00:32:31.584 --> 00:32:34.416
So, we knew that either way...
00:32:34.417 --> 00:32:38.541
it would have been
a tragic story for him.
00:32:38.542 --> 00:32:40.583
Yeah. Yeah.
[ Sniffles ]
00:32:40.584 --> 00:32:42.374
All right.
Okay.
00:32:42.375 --> 00:32:45.751
Well.
One more hug.
Okay.
00:32:45.959 --> 00:32:49.542
Thanks. Thank you.
Thank you so much
for everything.
00:32:51.792 --> 00:32:53.834
[ Exhales ]
00:32:56.125 --> 00:32:57.417
Yup.
00:32:59.626 --> 00:33:00.292
Okay.
00:33:00.293 --> 00:33:04.458
I just thought the other day,
\"I can\'t retire. My God.\"
00:33:04.459 --> 00:33:07.249
[ Chuckles ]
There aren\'t enough of us.
00:33:07.250 --> 00:33:11.501
I can\'t retire.
[ Chuckles ]
00:33:13.709 --> 00:33:15.626
Okeydoke.
00:33:21.501 --> 00:33:27.166
What they\'ve had in the paper
about abortion this last month,
00:33:27.167 --> 00:33:29.041
I think,
stirs up people much more...
00:33:29.042 --> 00:33:34.625
They don\'t give it much thought
until they start putting
a lot of things in the paper.
00:33:34.626 --> 00:33:35.209
Right.
00:33:35.210 --> 00:33:38.500
How many times
have you received
threatening phone calls...
00:33:38.501 --> 00:33:40.041
because of what I do?
Oh, I don\'t know.
00:33:40.042 --> 00:33:43.666
- How many times, do you think?
- I don\'t know, Warren.
00:33:43.667 --> 00:33:47.666
People call,
and I just hang up.
I just... You know, I can\'t...
00:33:47.667 --> 00:33:48.626
But they call you.
Yeah.
00:33:48.627 --> 00:33:53.416
- What do your friends say?
- You know, I didn\'t pay that
much attention to it, Warren.
00:33:53.417 --> 00:33:58.500
I mean, you know,
I thought you were doing
what you felt you needed to do.
00:33:58.501 --> 00:34:01.166
I mean...
[ Sighs ]
00:34:01.167 --> 00:34:03.750
I would hope that
one of these days that...
00:34:03.751 --> 00:34:08.041
you\'d feel you could
enjoy the rest of your life.
00:34:08.042 --> 00:34:08.792
Yep.
00:34:08.793 --> 00:34:10.291
I would like for you
to just be able to say,
00:34:10.292 --> 00:34:15.583
\"Okay, somebody else
is gonna do this.
I\'m gonna go do my thing now.\"
00:34:15.584 --> 00:34:17.124
Yup.
That\'s what I would like.
00:34:17.125 --> 00:34:20.708
Yeah. Good.
If it were possible,
that\'s what I would do.
00:34:20.709 --> 00:34:23.083
[ Chuckles ]
00:34:23.501 --> 00:34:24.250
I understand.
00:34:24.251 --> 00:34:27.750
But getting somebody else
who wants to come do this
is very difficult.
00:34:27.751 --> 00:34:29.541
Pretty close to impossible.
00:34:29.542 --> 00:34:32.124
Well...
Mmm.
00:34:32.125 --> 00:34:33.541
Okay.
00:34:33.542 --> 00:34:36.082
Okay, I\'ll see ya.
Okay?
Take care.
00:34:36.083 --> 00:34:40.166
Okay. And no running
in the halls, okay?
I\'ll try to behave myself.
00:34:40.167 --> 00:34:42.166
Okay. All right.
All right.
Take care.
00:34:42.167 --> 00:34:45.083
I\'ll see ya now.
All righty.
Bye-bye.
00:34:55.125 --> 00:34:58.249
Makin\' a deal here
so I get a season pass
next year,
00:34:58.250 --> 00:35:00.374
and apparently
I can use it today
or something.
00:35:00.375 --> 00:35:01.458
Yeah,
and you\'re over 70.
Yeah.
00:35:01.459 --> 00:35:04.082
All right.
If you wanna have a seat,
we\'ll get your picture.
00:35:04.083 --> 00:35:06.166
- Mug shot while we\'re at it.
- Mug shot.
00:35:06.167 --> 00:35:07.917
- [ Hern ]
Okay. Here, ready?
- All right, ready?
00:35:07.918 --> 00:35:11.291
All right.
Smile.
One, two, three.
00:35:11.292 --> 00:35:14.417
All right.
Okay.
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:20.791
The work I\'ve done, uh, has
beennvery, very fulfilling for me.
00:35:20.792 --> 00:35:27.918
But the antiabortion attackshave had a
terrible effectnon my personal life.
00:35:29.167 --> 00:35:31.333
I set up the clinic in 1973,
00:35:31.334 --> 00:35:35.249
and I immediatelystarted getting death
threatsnin the middle of the night.
00:35:35.250 --> 00:35:38.249
And I started sleepingnwith
a rifle by my bed,
00:35:38.250 --> 00:35:43.584
because I believed thatthey were
ready to carry outntheir threats.
00:35:43.709 --> 00:35:47.917
An example was, in the
first week ofnMarch, 1988,
00:35:47.918 --> 00:35:51.917
I got five shots fired throughnthe
front windows of my office.
00:35:51.918 --> 00:35:56.166
And so, you know, when I walk
out the door of my office,
00:35:56.167 --> 00:35:57.917
I expect to be assassinated.
00:35:57.918 --> 00:36:01.041
I don\'t know which onenis carrying a gun.
00:36:01.042 --> 00:36:04.166
My first marriage ended in 1988,
00:36:04.167 --> 00:36:07.875
and, um, I was desperately
unhappy about that.
00:36:07.876 --> 00:36:10.459
Uh, I didn\'t want it to end.
00:36:10.667 --> 00:36:14.374
And the constant attacks fromnthe
antiabortion fanatics...
00:36:14.375 --> 00:36:17.250
were part of that.
00:36:20.250 --> 00:36:24.250
And, uh, many, many times,
I\'ve felt so alone.
00:36:24.667 --> 00:36:27.541
And, like, what is the point of this?
NYou know?
00:36:27.542 --> 00:36:30.626
Why... How can I go on?
00:36:34.417 --> 00:36:37.501
[ Device Beeps ]
00:36:38.000 --> 00:36:39.999
Hey, Shelley, this is Susan.
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:44.166
First of all, happy birthday.
I completely forgot
that it was your birthday.
00:36:44.167 --> 00:36:49.082
And then, in horror,
I realized that it\'s also
Dr. Tiller\'s birthday.
00:36:49.083 --> 00:36:54.375
So, when you get home,
at your convenience,
give me a buzz, okay? Bye.
00:37:00.250 --> 00:37:03.458
The house that I live in
is up high.
00:37:03.459 --> 00:37:09.918
And there was one time
that a federal marshal came
and paid me a visit.
00:37:10.042 --> 00:37:11.458
And he said, n\"Well, this is very good.
00:37:11.459 --> 00:37:14.625
This would be a hard shot
even with a sniper rifle.\"
[ Chuckles ]
00:37:14.626 --> 00:37:17.375
I thought,
\"Oh, good. I\'m glad.\"
00:37:19.334 --> 00:37:22.500
In my residency, I did OB/GYN...
00:37:22.501 --> 00:37:24.541
and I was atna Catholic hospital,
00:37:24.542 --> 00:37:26.917
so I never learnednto do abortions.
00:37:26.918 --> 00:37:28.958
It never came up.
00:37:28.959 --> 00:37:31.958
And then, what reallyngot me interested...
00:37:31.959 --> 00:37:35.291
was when
they started shooting doctors.
00:37:35.292 --> 00:37:39.959
You know, they shot
the two docs in Pensacola.
00:37:40.375 --> 00:37:42.999
And I thought, \"Oh, my God.\"
You know?
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:46.082
Everybody\'s gonna get
scarednout of doing it.
00:37:46.083 --> 00:37:48.249
And then who\'s gonna do it?
00:37:48.250 --> 00:37:50.666
Yeah, there\'s two
reactionsnto being bullied.
00:37:50.667 --> 00:37:56.374
One is to sort of
go pull your head in and try
to get away from the bully,
00:37:56.375 --> 00:38:00.333
and the other is to say,
\"Oh, yeah?\"
00:38:00.334 --> 00:38:03.374
[ Chuckles ]
You know?
That\'s how I feel.
00:38:03.375 --> 00:38:05.751
Oh, yeah?
00:38:08.083 --> 00:38:13.041
My husband is amazing. He\'s
very, very proudnof what I do.
00:38:13.042 --> 00:38:16.999
And I don\'t thinknhe\'s
really afraid either.
00:38:17.000 --> 00:38:20.833
He thinks about...
00:38:20.834 --> 00:38:21.626
security,
00:38:21.627 --> 00:38:27.541
but not in an obsessive way that
effects his life badly at all.
00:38:27.542 --> 00:38:34.249
But, um, my being away from
homenis quite trying for him.
00:38:34.250 --> 00:38:36.833
[ Water Running ]
00:38:36.834 --> 00:38:42.416
[ Sella ]It is hard to be
travelingnall the time.
00:38:42.417 --> 00:38:44.333
My wife totally supports me.
00:38:44.334 --> 00:38:49.876
And I could notdo this work without her.
Absolutely not.
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:52.833
We met, actually,
in midwifery circles.
00:38:52.834 --> 00:38:56.124
And I think becausenshe
was a midwife herself,
00:38:56.125 --> 00:38:59.918
I think she also
reallynappreciates this work.
00:39:00.292 --> 00:39:06.750
But whenever I leave my home, I have
a tremendous amountnof sadness...
00:39:06.751 --> 00:39:09.250
of leaving.
00:39:09.918 --> 00:39:13.833
And then Istart seeing patients,
and they\'re just amazing.
00:39:13.834 --> 00:39:17.082
So I go through that cycle
endlessly.
00:39:17.083 --> 00:39:20.417
I\'ve been going through that
for years now.
00:39:20.751 --> 00:39:23.125
That\'s just how my life is.
00:39:33.417 --> 00:39:37.082
[ Woman ]They\'re two of the
strictestnabortion laws in U.S. history.
00:39:37.083 --> 00:39:38.750
[ Man ] Nebraska governor Dave Heineman...
00:39:38.751 --> 00:39:40.541
signs into lawntwo new abortion measures.
00:39:40.542 --> 00:39:46.625
Now, on the booksnis a law saying that
doctors will be charged with a felony...
00:39:46.626 --> 00:39:49.041
if they perform abortionsnafter 20 weeks,
00:39:49.042 --> 00:39:53.583
because at that pointthere is substantial
evidencenthat an unborn child...
00:39:53.584 --> 00:39:56.917
has the physical structuresnnecessary
to experience pain.\"
00:39:56.918 --> 00:40:02.291
But pro-choice groupspoint to the American
College ofnObstetricians and Gynecologists,
00:40:02.292 --> 00:40:05.917
which says there\'s no
legitimatenscientific information...
00:40:05.918 --> 00:40:09.082
that supports the statementnthat
a fetus experiences pain.
00:40:09.083 --> 00:40:13.333
The Nebraska governorhas put
himself squarelynin the middle...
00:40:13.334 --> 00:40:15.625
of a probable Supreme Courtncontroversy.
00:40:15.626 --> 00:40:18.918
- [ Phone Beeping ]
- [ Chattering, Indistinct ]
00:40:20.334 --> 00:40:22.375
Where are you from?
00:40:22.834 --> 00:40:24.583
How far along in the pregnancy
are you?
00:40:24.584 --> 00:40:27.333
Oh, then there are probably
only two choices.
00:40:27.334 --> 00:40:30.750
Is there...
Is there a fetal anomaly
or, um...
00:40:30.751 --> 00:40:33.416
[ Carhart ]Since the Fetal
Pain Actntook effect,
00:40:33.417 --> 00:40:37.625
we\'re sending a lot of people
to Dr. Hern and Dr. Sella...
00:40:37.626 --> 00:40:41.625
and Dr., um, Robinson now...
00:40:41.626 --> 00:40:44.958
that we would have done
a month or two ago.
00:40:44.959 --> 00:40:48.249
This one I gave Albuquerque
and Warren.
Yeah.
00:40:48.250 --> 00:40:50.249
I said, \"Is there a problem
with the fetus?\"
00:40:50.250 --> 00:40:53.458
\"Uh, I just found out
I was pregnant.\"
And she was like...
00:40:53.459 --> 00:40:55.124
[ Carhart ]Yeah, the sad
partnis that some women...
00:40:55.125 --> 00:40:58.999
will come up withthe extra money to
travel tonone of the other clinics,
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:01.416
and then again, there\'ll be
some thatncan afford to,
00:41:01.417 --> 00:41:05.416
but they end up losingeverything
they havenin order to do it.
00:41:05.417 --> 00:41:10.751
And some women will havea child
that they knownthey can\'t have...
00:41:10.918 --> 00:41:12.500
because they don\'tnhave the option.
00:41:12.501 --> 00:41:18.626
And some women
may get desperate
and do things on their own.
00:41:49.542 --> 00:41:52.250
[ Sighs ]
00:42:06.667 --> 00:42:10.958
[ Voice On Phone, Indistinct ]
[ Woman ]
Okay, and when was that taken?
00:42:10.959 --> 00:42:14.416
Okay, and is there
a femur length also,
or an F.L. number?
00:42:14.417 --> 00:42:17.625
Okay. Um,
so basically, based on that,
00:42:17.626 --> 00:42:19.416
if she came into the office
next Tuesday,
00:42:19.417 --> 00:42:22.124
the fee for the procedure
could be as much as $10,000,
00:42:22.125 --> 00:42:25.750
and it would most likely be
a four-day outpatient procedure.
00:42:25.751 --> 00:42:27.958
[ Voice On Phone, Indistinct ]
00:42:27.959 --> 00:42:32.250
Okay. All right. No problem.
Okay. Bye-bye.
00:42:33.959 --> 00:42:35.666
[ Hern ]
So, how you feeling?
00:42:35.667 --> 00:42:38.917
Um, a little, you know, down.
00:42:38.918 --> 00:42:40.583
Are you?
Yeah.
00:42:40.584 --> 00:42:43.041
\'Cause, I mean, I\'m...
00:42:43.042 --> 00:42:47.249
I never thought
this was gonna
happen to me.
00:42:47.250 --> 00:42:49.124
And I went to one doctor,
00:42:49.125 --> 00:42:55.750
and they told me
that the baby had
the Mowat-Wilson syndrome.
00:42:55.751 --> 00:42:56.250
Yeah.
00:42:56.251 --> 00:43:01.666
And these babies
were moderate to severe
mental retardation.
00:43:01.667 --> 00:43:04.625
That\'s pretty sad news.
Yeah.
00:43:04.626 --> 00:43:10.082
And, um, if they would talk,
they would talk 25 words
or less.
00:43:10.083 --> 00:43:12.541
How far along were you
at that point?
00:43:12.542 --> 00:43:13.999
Five months
and, like, two weeks.
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:19.166
Wow. They just passed a law
in Nebraska to keep doctors
from doing this there.
00:43:19.167 --> 00:43:21.208
Yeah.
That\'s why I couldn\'t
have it done there.
00:43:21.209 --> 00:43:25.917
\'Cause they can\'t do it
20 weeks and beyond.
Yeah. Right.
00:43:25.918 --> 00:43:27.833
So...
And it is hurtful.
00:43:27.834 --> 00:43:31.416
\'Cause it was
a planned pregnancy,
and I did want it.
00:43:31.417 --> 00:43:33.459
Right.
But...
00:43:33.584 --> 00:43:40.249
I mean...
I would rather her
not suffer.
00:43:40.250 --> 00:43:42.375
Right.
So...
00:43:43.000 --> 00:43:46.750
Well, my job is to help you
get through this safely...
00:43:46.751 --> 00:43:49.249
so you can go on
and live your life...
00:43:49.250 --> 00:43:54.041
and maybe have other
pregnancies that are healthy
in the future.
00:43:54.042 --> 00:43:56.416
That\'s my idea.
00:43:56.417 --> 00:43:57.458
Yeah.
Okay?
00:43:57.459 --> 00:44:00.166
Yeah. I\'ll take care
of myself.
All right.
00:44:00.167 --> 00:44:01.500
Okay.
00:44:01.501 --> 00:44:04.458
All right, all right.
Oh.
00:44:04.459 --> 00:44:07.292
Thank you.
Mmm.
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:12.541
You did fine.
00:44:12.542 --> 00:44:14.501
[ Sniffles ]
00:44:22.209 --> 00:44:24.082
[ Sniffles, Sobs ]
Thanks.
00:44:24.083 --> 00:44:26.249
You can go ahead and cry.
00:44:26.250 --> 00:44:28.751
[ Crying Quietly ]
00:44:45.417 --> 00:44:46.417
Thank you.
Okay?
00:44:46.418 --> 00:44:49.750
Why don\'t I just give you
this whole box of Kleenex?
[ Laughs ]
00:44:49.751 --> 00:44:52.583
You\'re gonna need it.
It\'s a long way
back to Nebraska.
00:44:52.584 --> 00:44:55.459
[ Girl ]
Yeah. n[ Hern ] Yeah? Huh?
00:45:02.417 --> 00:45:04.333
Can we eat now?
00:45:04.334 --> 00:45:07.250
[ Laughing ]
Is it lunchtime?
00:45:11.083 --> 00:45:13.208
So, when we\'re
finished here, Susan,
00:45:13.209 --> 00:45:18.208
I need to talk to you about
a woman that called from France.
00:45:18.209 --> 00:45:19.083
Oh.
00:45:19.084 --> 00:45:21.917
I feel quite certain
we are not able to see her,
00:45:21.918 --> 00:45:25.291
but I promised her
that I would talk
with you about it.
00:45:25.292 --> 00:45:28.124
How many weeks?
Many.
Mm-hmm.
00:45:28.125 --> 00:45:29.666
Fetal anomaly?
No.
00:45:29.667 --> 00:45:32.333
Was it a compell...
Very compelling...
00:45:32.334 --> 00:45:34.249
I mean, you know.
00:45:34.250 --> 00:45:36.583
I was...
No.
00:45:36.584 --> 00:45:37.958
N-N-Not...
00:45:37.959 --> 00:45:38.792
Only...
Not really.
00:45:38.793 --> 00:45:43.500
Only in that she had
already had one
negative pregnancy test,
00:45:43.501 --> 00:45:46.124
um, because she was
having, I guess,
00:45:46.125 --> 00:45:47.917
light periods or something.
00:45:47.918 --> 00:45:49.750
But then, you know, decided,
00:45:49.751 --> 00:45:53.583
\"Well, it\'s negative,
so I don\'t know why
I\'m having light periods.\"
00:45:53.584 --> 00:45:57.625
Went to the Ukraine,
was there for three months
in the middle of nowhere...
00:45:57.626 --> 00:45:59.500
and really didn\'t
think about it...
00:45:59.501 --> 00:46:02.750
except that she started
feeling, you know...
00:46:02.751 --> 00:46:03.999
Bloated.
[ Chuckles ]
Mm-hmm.
00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:07.041
Oh, God. Poor woman.
And pain
and things like that.
00:46:07.042 --> 00:46:08.583
Finally, when she
got back to France,
00:46:08.584 --> 00:46:14.083
then she was able
to determine that
she was indeed pregnant.
00:46:17.083 --> 00:46:18.917
[ Robinson ] When I worked in Kansas,
00:46:18.918 --> 00:46:24.208
Kansas law requiredthat the
patientnpresent a story...
00:46:24.209 --> 00:46:25.917
that compelled you, the physician,
00:46:25.918 --> 00:46:30.416
to believe that this pregnancy
threatened her life,
00:46:30.417 --> 00:46:33.958
nor her emotional health,
00:46:33.959 --> 00:46:36.708
mental health, family health,
00:46:36.709 --> 00:46:38.416
safety or well-being.
00:46:38.417 --> 00:46:42.791
And those patients
were carefully screened
on the phone.
00:46:42.792 --> 00:46:44.750
And thennwhen they got to Kansas,
00:46:44.751 --> 00:46:48.833
they had to present this
storynto a second doctor...
00:46:48.834 --> 00:46:51.917
who was not affiliatednwith the clinic.
00:46:51.918 --> 00:46:55.583
And that\'s not truenin New Mexico.
00:46:55.584 --> 00:46:58.625
The law is differentnin New Mexico.
00:46:58.626 --> 00:47:01.374
So suddenly I found myself
being faced with...
00:47:01.375 --> 00:47:07.209
patients who didn\'t have
anywhere near the compelling
stories that they had in Kansas.
00:47:07.542 --> 00:47:12.751
And yeah, it\'s a struggle
for me to figure out...
00:47:13.125 --> 00:47:17.124
Is it okay for me to say,
\"No, that\'s not
a good enough story.
00:47:17.125 --> 00:47:20.501
I\'m not doing
an abortion for you\"?
00:47:21.292 --> 00:47:23.666
And then this is,
um, Michelle...
00:47:23.667 --> 00:47:27.082
[ Robinson ]Because, you know,
you\'renreally on your own out here,
00:47:27.083 --> 00:47:32.292
trying to figure out
what\'s the right thing to do.
00:47:32.584 --> 00:47:35.584
What\'s really helping people?
00:47:36.375 --> 00:47:38.333
Holy crow.
Yeah, I know.
00:47:38.334 --> 00:47:40.750
I\'m awfully sorry.
I know.
00:47:40.751 --> 00:47:42.583
I-I would love
to help her.
00:47:42.584 --> 00:47:45.082
I would love
to help her.
Mm-hmm.
00:47:45.083 --> 00:47:47.791
Because in a way
we\'re sort of a court
of last resort here.
00:47:47.792 --> 00:47:53.416
I mean, if we won\'t
help somebody, they\'re not
gonna get an abortion.
00:47:53.417 --> 00:47:54.708
Really.
00:47:54.709 --> 00:47:57.416
Oh, God, I just hate it, but...
00:47:57.417 --> 00:48:00.416
I would... I...
She\'s just
too far along.
00:48:00.417 --> 00:48:03.416
I can\'t help her.
I knew
she would be.
00:48:03.417 --> 00:48:05.374
But I, you know...
00:48:05.375 --> 00:48:08.541
I told her that I would,
um, talk with you,
00:48:08.542 --> 00:48:11.209
and so I... did.
00:48:21.125 --> 00:48:24.000
[ Sue ]
Hi. Is this Michelle?
00:48:24.918 --> 00:48:27.583
Michelle, I talked
with Dr. Robinson,
00:48:27.584 --> 00:48:29.082
and I\'m very sorry,
00:48:29.083 --> 00:48:31.750
but she\'s not able
to do the procedure...
00:48:31.751 --> 00:48:34.124
here for you in our clinic.
00:48:34.125 --> 00:48:34.751
Okay?
00:48:34.752 --> 00:48:38.833
Um, she feels that
it is just too far
in the pregnancy...
00:48:38.834 --> 00:48:43.249
for us, you know,
to do this procedure
here in this...
00:48:43.250 --> 00:48:45.250
In our office.
00:48:47.083 --> 00:48:50.875
It\'s not possible
to talk with her directly,
unfortunately.
00:48:50.876 --> 00:48:54.166
She is in surgery
this afternoon,
00:48:54.167 --> 00:48:55.833
um, with other patients,
00:48:55.834 --> 00:48:57.958
so she is not available.
00:48:57.959 --> 00:49:00.708
And we did talk,
she and I, for s...
00:49:00.709 --> 00:49:03.333
For a little while about this,
00:49:03.334 --> 00:49:05.082
and she\'s...
She\'s very clear...
00:49:05.083 --> 00:49:09.791
that she\'s not able
to do this procedure
here for you, Michelle.
00:49:09.792 --> 00:49:12.584
And I am very sorry.
00:49:21.792 --> 00:49:25.458
Other than Dr. Hern
in Colorado,
00:49:25.459 --> 00:49:30.708
I\'m not sure, um,
that there\'s anywhere else...
00:49:30.709 --> 00:49:32.542
Hmm?
00:49:35.167 --> 00:49:38.918
Well, our clinic
will go to 28 weeks.
00:49:39.042 --> 00:49:41.082
And then after that
it\'s strictly...
00:49:41.083 --> 00:49:45.250
case by case
and up to the doctor.
00:49:45.709 --> 00:49:48.041
Um, usually at this point...
00:49:48.042 --> 00:49:50.500
we\'re only able to see women...
00:49:50.501 --> 00:49:54.291
if there is
a very, you know,
severe fetal anomaly...
00:49:54.292 --> 00:49:57.374
or, um, something, you know,
00:49:57.375 --> 00:50:01.625
that they\'re referred to us
by their doctor for.
00:50:01.626 --> 00:50:03.249
Um...
00:50:03.250 --> 00:50:05.249
So I think that it\'s...
00:50:05.250 --> 00:50:07.042
You know, perhaps
looking at adoption...
00:50:09.042 --> 00:50:12.999
as the... as...
as the alternative,
at this point,
00:50:13.000 --> 00:50:17.042
is what you need to
perhaps make a plan for.
00:50:17.626 --> 00:50:19.542
Okay?
00:50:20.334 --> 00:50:22.249
I\'m very sorry.
00:50:22.250 --> 00:50:26.250
And...
I wish you the best.
00:50:26.959 --> 00:50:30.459
Okay. All right.
Bye.
00:50:32.542 --> 00:50:34.541
[ Sighs ]
00:50:34.542 --> 00:50:35.292
Mmm.
00:50:35.293 --> 00:50:39.083
[ Robinson ]
Those are hard.
Yeah, they\'re hard.
00:50:40.375 --> 00:50:42.250
[ Sighs ]
00:50:52.959 --> 00:50:56.958
[ Robinson ]
So, um, do you have a patient
you want to tell me about?
00:50:56.959 --> 00:50:59.333
Yeah.
She\'s 19 years old.
00:50:59.334 --> 00:51:01.958
She has
a three-year-old son.
00:51:01.959 --> 00:51:04.291
She\'s in school
full-time at college.
00:51:04.292 --> 00:51:08.750
She says there\'s just
no way we can afford
day care for two kids.
00:51:08.751 --> 00:51:10.791
No way.
00:51:10.792 --> 00:51:13.416
I asked her,
00:51:13.417 --> 00:51:14.999
you know...
[ Sighs ]
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:16.082
had she thought about adoption?
00:51:16.083 --> 00:51:20.208
She said that she feels
that if she has to continue
the pregnancy and had this baby,
00:51:20.209 --> 00:51:23.750
she\'s gonna keep it,
and they\'ll just have to
figure out a way to do it.
00:51:23.751 --> 00:51:26.124
She\'s certain
she\'ll have to quit school.
00:51:26.125 --> 00:51:28.249
Of course, now she\'s way far.
00:51:28.250 --> 00:51:31.792
She\'s 28 weeks now.
Mm-hmm.
00:51:32.167 --> 00:51:34.626
Um, so what do you think?
00:51:46.250 --> 00:51:49.292
Now we\'re in Omaha.
00:51:49.834 --> 00:51:54.918
When we get on
the other side of this lake,
we\'re in Council Bluffs.
00:51:55.125 --> 00:51:55.751
♪♪ [ Theme ]
00:51:55.752 --> 00:51:59.333
[ Woman ] Tonightwe\'re breaking a story
about tonmake national headlines.
00:51:59.334 --> 00:52:02.082
Dr. Carhartcalls Nebraska
lawsnunconstitutional.
00:52:02.083 --> 00:52:05.708
[ Man ] So in the meantime, he says
it\'s time to expandnto other states...
00:52:05.709 --> 00:52:07.917
with less restrictive laws, including Iowa.
00:52:07.918 --> 00:52:13.417
Carhart plans to open
a new clinic in
Council Bluffs by January.
00:52:21.334 --> 00:52:23.584
[ Car Door Opens, Closes ]
00:52:28.584 --> 00:52:31.500
[ Carhart ]As far as the
lawsnabout abortion,
00:52:31.501 --> 00:52:33.249
Iowa is a lot betternthan Nebraska.
00:52:33.250 --> 00:52:38.041
Or at least their politicians
are more willing to stand up
for what they believe in.
00:52:38.042 --> 00:52:41.458
We could put drapes on it.
It would be fine
for a waiting area.
00:52:41.459 --> 00:52:45.876
But that one place,
every room had
big windows in it.
00:52:46.083 --> 00:52:49.082
But this is
where they said
that we could...
00:52:49.083 --> 00:52:50.750
bring the fence down here.
00:52:50.751 --> 00:52:52.833
And then people
could come out
this door...
00:52:52.834 --> 00:52:55.583
and you wouldn\'t
have to ever worry about
who was coming in and out.
00:52:55.584 --> 00:52:57.917
Just bring it out to...
There\'d be no gate
out here.
00:52:57.918 --> 00:53:00.917
We\'ll put the fence here...
Or no unlocked gate
out here.
00:53:00.918 --> 00:53:02.124
You\'d put
a six-foot fence
there.
00:53:02.125 --> 00:53:06.918
Then in order for them
to see over that, they\'d have
to get way up in the air.
00:53:07.167 --> 00:53:09.208
And just make
a little place
where...
00:53:09.209 --> 00:53:11.541
[ Carhart ]
Well, no, I wouldn\'t
bring it out to there.
00:53:11.542 --> 00:53:14.708
[ Man ] Packed house tonightat the
Council Bluffsncity council meeting...
00:53:14.709 --> 00:53:18.625
as hundreds protesta planned
clinicnwhich would offer abortions.
00:53:18.626 --> 00:53:23.291
LeRoy Carhart
wants to move
to Council Bluffs, Iowa,
00:53:23.292 --> 00:53:24.791
to our city and our state,
00:53:24.792 --> 00:53:30.541
to do abortions on babies
that term... 20 weeks or later.
00:53:30.542 --> 00:53:35.333
We already have
an abortion facility
in Council Bluffs.
00:53:35.334 --> 00:53:37.917
So as a city, as a people,
00:53:37.918 --> 00:53:40.291
we\'ve already
seriously compromised,
00:53:40.292 --> 00:53:43.416
betrayed the fundamental
goodness of life.
00:53:43.417 --> 00:53:45.750
I brought my son
with me this evening.
00:53:45.751 --> 00:53:50.666
He was born
at 27 weeks gestation.
00:53:50.667 --> 00:53:53.291
I brought
a couple little things
to show you.
00:53:53.292 --> 00:53:56.416
His little diaper.
His first outfit.
00:53:56.417 --> 00:54:00.041
Late-term abortions
are even opposed by over 95%...
00:54:00.042 --> 00:54:03.458
Even by people
who are pro-abortion rights.
00:54:03.459 --> 00:54:05.625
This is where everybody
draws the line.
00:54:05.626 --> 00:54:07.917
[ Woman ]
I very much am concerned...
00:54:07.918 --> 00:54:13.249
about the economic impact
that this clinic
is gonna have on our city.
00:54:13.250 --> 00:54:16.166
We have struggled dramatically
with our image,
00:54:16.167 --> 00:54:20.500
and I know that
this is not a calling card
that we want to be known for.
00:54:20.501 --> 00:54:24.458
I know I personally have
been talking to landlords
behind the scenes.
00:54:24.459 --> 00:54:26.249
I know other
council members
have too.
00:54:26.250 --> 00:54:29.833
[ Man ]Tonight the city council
votednto put a deed restriction...
00:54:29.834 --> 00:54:30.834
on a property on Avenue G...
00:54:30.835 --> 00:54:35.917
that they believe Carhartmay have
been consideringnfor a clinic.
00:54:35.918 --> 00:54:38.583
[ Carhart ] I said that
on the television...
00:54:38.584 --> 00:54:40.791
the day that Dr. Tillernwas murdered...
00:54:40.792 --> 00:54:42.333
that we have been at war.
00:54:42.334 --> 00:54:45.374
We\'ve been at war
since Roe v. Wade was passed,
00:54:45.375 --> 00:54:48.291
exceptthere\'s only been one
sidenthat\'s been fighting this war.
00:54:48.292 --> 00:54:51.374
We\'ve been sitting back
and letting them
take over the government,
00:54:51.375 --> 00:54:55.249
take over the school boards
and the little
local governments...
00:54:55.250 --> 00:55:00.083
and then work their way
up to power into the state
and federal level.
00:55:00.209 --> 00:55:04.249
And I think I havethe ability
to getna new practice going,
00:55:04.250 --> 00:55:08.792
and I just think that it\'snsomething
that needs to be done.
00:55:14.417 --> 00:55:17.833
♪♪ [ Didgeridoo ]
00:55:17.834 --> 00:55:20.374
[ No Audible Dialogue ]
00:55:20.375 --> 00:55:23.417
♪♪ [ Continues ]
00:55:26.792 --> 00:55:29.751
[ People Chattering, Laughing ]
00:55:31.000 --> 00:55:34.541
I\'m talking to your wife
about me organizing...
00:55:34.542 --> 00:55:37.249
a little posse
that would watch over you.
00:55:37.250 --> 00:55:40.625
[ Hern ] You know what?
Being in Boulder
is the main thing.
00:55:40.626 --> 00:55:43.791
But if one of these guys
decides to show up and hurt me,
00:55:43.792 --> 00:55:46.374
there\'s not very much
anybody can do about it.
00:55:46.375 --> 00:55:49.416
I just try to, uh,
watch what I\'m doing...
00:55:49.417 --> 00:55:53.875
and make it
politically too expensive
to bother me.
00:55:53.876 --> 00:55:55.166
You know?
You\'re right.
00:55:55.167 --> 00:55:57.082
Yeah.
But I appreciate it
very much.
00:55:57.083 --> 00:56:00.082
Well, I say a prayer
for you every night.
Thank you very much.
00:56:00.083 --> 00:56:04.417
Don\'t use up all your
credibility on that.
[ Both Laughing ]
00:56:05.083 --> 00:56:05.709
All right.
00:56:05.710 --> 00:56:08.791
[ Hern ]A few years ago I had
beenninvited to speak...
00:56:08.792 --> 00:56:11.416
at a conference on abortion
in Barcelona.
00:56:11.417 --> 00:56:16.166
There was a gorgeous womansitting in the front
row, andnl decided I wanted to meet her.
00:56:16.167 --> 00:56:20.583
- [ All Chattering ]
- And we enjoyed
getting to know each other.
00:56:20.584 --> 00:56:23.750
And she had this little
boynwho\'s wonderful.
00:56:23.751 --> 00:56:30.291
And it was the first timethat I felt
that I couldnenjoy my personal life...
00:56:30.292 --> 00:56:33.249
to the extentnthat I had not.
00:56:33.250 --> 00:56:36.416
So eventually, she came
here, and we got married.
00:56:36.417 --> 00:56:38.208
Say... Say \"whiskey.\"
Whiskey!
00:56:38.209 --> 00:56:39.583
Whiskey!
Volcano!
00:56:39.584 --> 00:56:42.208
[ All Laughing ]
All right!
00:56:42.209 --> 00:56:43.750
One, two, three, four.
00:56:43.751 --> 00:56:46.082
Look it up here.
You\'ve left your...
00:56:46.083 --> 00:56:49.291
[ Hern ] The antiabortion attacks...
00:56:49.292 --> 00:56:50.917
have been frighteningnfor Fernando.
00:56:50.918 --> 00:56:52.416
He knew Dr. Tiller. He met him.
00:56:52.417 --> 00:56:56.999
Dr. Tiller was killed, and he\'s
worriednabout this happening to me.
00:56:57.000 --> 00:56:59.208
[ Fernando Speaking,
Indistinct ]
00:56:59.209 --> 00:57:04.249
So this is a profoundly
traumatic experience...
00:57:04.250 --> 00:57:06.416
for everybody in my family,
00:57:06.417 --> 00:57:09.416
um, starting with
Odalis and Fernando,
00:57:09.417 --> 00:57:14.082
and for my mother, you know,
who worries about my safety.
00:57:14.083 --> 00:57:15.708
[ Speaking, Indistinct ]
00:57:15.709 --> 00:57:19.416
[ Hern ]I\'ve faced these threats
beforenwhen I was single,
00:57:19.417 --> 00:57:22.583
but it\'s not the samenas having a family...
00:57:22.584 --> 00:57:24.750
that\'s around younall the time.
00:57:24.751 --> 00:57:27.417
All right.
Fifty feet.
00:57:27.584 --> 00:57:31.750
And, um, it\'s been hard
for me to feel, sometimes,
00:57:31.751 --> 00:57:35.292
that, uh...
That I can continue.
00:57:50.292 --> 00:57:53.750
So, Serena,
tell me, when did you
realize you were pregnant?
00:57:53.751 --> 00:57:56.583
[ Chuckles ]
All the way back
in October.
00:57:56.584 --> 00:57:58.958
Really?
What\'s been going on?
00:57:58.959 --> 00:58:01.249
Everything\'s
been going on.
Yeah?
00:58:01.250 --> 00:58:03.416
Like one thing after another.
00:58:03.417 --> 00:58:05.082
I just kept pushing it back.
00:58:05.083 --> 00:58:08.166
Okay, well, I\'m gonna
get this money this time.
Mm-hmm.
00:58:08.167 --> 00:58:11.374
And then, you know,
as it goes on,
the fees go up.
00:58:11.375 --> 00:58:13.833
Right, so...
So it\'s
more money.
00:58:13.834 --> 00:58:14.250
Yeah.
00:58:14.251 --> 00:58:18.791
So finally I said, okay,
when I get my taxes
I could go.
00:58:18.792 --> 00:58:21.166
Mm-hmm.
Got my taxes
and went.
00:58:21.167 --> 00:58:22.750
And I was too far.
Oh.
00:58:22.751 --> 00:58:25.333
Must be a bit of a relief
just to get here, huh?
00:58:25.334 --> 00:58:28.541
Yeah, because I was
actually supposed to come
maybe three weeks ago.
00:58:28.542 --> 00:58:32.249
- Mm-hmm.
- And I forgot what happened
the first week.
00:58:32.250 --> 00:58:36.208
And then my son got sick.
He was in the hospital
for a couple days.
00:58:36.209 --> 00:58:37.958
Mm-hmm.
Yeah.
00:58:37.959 --> 00:58:39.750
That\'s a lot going on.
Yeah.
00:58:39.751 --> 00:58:41.416
You know,
sometimes people think,
00:58:41.417 --> 00:58:46.541
\"Oh, why don\'t you just
continue the pregnancy
and adopt out the baby?\"
00:58:46.542 --> 00:58:48.249
What do you think about that?
00:58:48.250 --> 00:58:51.291
I didn\'t
take care of myself
with this baby.
00:58:51.292 --> 00:58:55.417
Been drinkin\'.
No prenatal.
00:58:56.083 --> 00:58:58.584
Already have two kids.
00:58:58.751 --> 00:59:01.500
I mean, I would
if I could, but...
00:59:01.501 --> 00:59:04.209
I really can\'t.
00:59:04.709 --> 00:59:06.417
Okay. Okay.
00:59:07.042 --> 00:59:09.500
So, who\'s with your kids now?
00:59:09.501 --> 00:59:10.000
Their dad.
00:59:10.001 --> 00:59:13.416
Does he know you\'re here?
He knows I\'m here.
He knows the reason.
00:59:13.417 --> 00:59:17.583
My family knows I\'m here,
but they think
it\'s just for a vacation.
00:59:17.584 --> 00:59:19.374
A vacation in Albuquerque.
00:59:19.375 --> 00:59:20.750
Yeah.
Yeah.
00:59:20.751 --> 00:59:23.791
What do you think would happen
if you told them?
00:59:23.792 --> 00:59:28.250
I don\'t know. I don\'t even
want to think about that.
Yeah.
00:59:28.876 --> 00:59:32.249
Probably call me
a murderer or somethin\'.
Mmm.
00:59:32.250 --> 00:59:33.374
Yeah.
00:59:33.375 --> 00:59:35.666
Are you okay with your decision?
00:59:35.667 --> 00:59:37.833
I\'m getting there.
00:59:37.834 --> 00:59:40.541
It\'s like I\'m dealin\'
with God and myself.
00:59:40.542 --> 00:59:42.750
So, I\'m, like,
would he forgive me?
00:59:42.751 --> 00:59:44.458
Will I forgive myself?
00:59:44.459 --> 00:59:47.834
But I know this is
what I need to do.
00:59:49.250 --> 00:59:50.791
\'Cause, you know, uh...
00:59:50.792 --> 00:59:53.918
I know this is
what I need to do.
00:59:54.083 --> 00:59:58.082
I just been prayin\',
hoping God forgives me...
00:59:58.083 --> 01:00:01.041
and that I\'ll be
all right by myself.
01:00:01.042 --> 01:00:02.625
Yeah. Yeah.
01:00:02.626 --> 01:00:04.999
You know, none of us is perfect.
01:00:05.000 --> 01:00:06.124
That I do know.
Yeah.
01:00:06.125 --> 01:00:09.750
And this whole thing
made me realize,
don\'t judge nobody.
01:00:09.751 --> 01:00:13.249
You don\'t know
what the next person
is goin\' through.
01:00:13.250 --> 01:00:14.791
So don\'t judge, you know.
01:00:14.792 --> 01:00:17.416
\'Cause I don\'t want
anybody to judge me...
01:00:17.417 --> 01:00:20.249
for my decisions
that I make in life.
01:00:20.250 --> 01:00:21.374
Yeah.
01:00:21.375 --> 01:00:24.333
God wants you to be okay.
Don\'t you think?
01:00:24.334 --> 01:00:26.082
I\'ll be okay, you know.
01:00:26.083 --> 01:00:30.374
It\'s the beginning
of the process, so...
I know.
01:00:30.375 --> 01:00:35.542
I think I\'ll be at peace
once it\'s all over with.
01:00:36.876 --> 01:00:40.501
Yeah. Okay.
Yeah.
01:00:41.209 --> 01:00:43.250
Any questions?
01:00:44.083 --> 01:00:46.750
I think for some providers...
01:00:46.751 --> 01:00:51.583
what\'s difficult about
the third-trimester abortion...
and not just providers...
01:00:51.584 --> 01:00:53.416
Is that...
01:00:53.417 --> 01:00:56.959
the woman delivers a baby.
01:00:58.083 --> 01:01:00.250
And it\'s a stillborn.
01:01:00.959 --> 01:01:04.876
And that\'s hardnto deal with.
01:01:05.584 --> 01:01:07.583
Good morning.
Hi.
01:01:07.584 --> 01:01:08.584
How was your night?
01:01:08.585 --> 01:01:11.751
[ Sella ]I think the
reasonnl\'ve struggled...
01:01:12.709 --> 01:01:16.250
is because I think of them
as babies.
01:01:19.876 --> 01:01:22.626
I don\'t think of that
as a fetus.
01:01:23.083 --> 01:01:29.918
To me, I-I think of that as
a... na way to distance myself...
01:01:30.876 --> 01:01:31.584
from what I do.
01:01:31.585 --> 01:01:36.124
I mean, it\'s one thing when it\'s
a first-trimester abortion...
01:01:36.125 --> 01:01:41.751
and what you see
is a little bit of tissue.
01:01:42.667 --> 01:01:46.292
But if you go all the
waynto the other extreme,
01:01:46.417 --> 01:01:49.124
you can\'t say that\'s a...
Some tissue.
01:01:49.125 --> 01:01:50.917
That\'s not tissue.
01:01:50.918 --> 01:01:52.918
It\'s a baby.
01:01:53.125 --> 01:01:54.917
Then you have tonthink about it.
01:01:54.918 --> 01:01:57.500
You know, it\'s, like,
wh-what are you doing?
01:01:57.501 --> 01:02:00.584
And why are you doing it?
01:02:02.417 --> 01:02:03.083
Yeah, you got that.
01:02:03.084 --> 01:02:07.041
We\'re also putting Pitocin
in your I.V. Go ahead
and put your legs down.
01:02:07.042 --> 01:02:10.626
Go ahead
and put your legs down.
There you go.
01:02:10.751 --> 01:02:13.625
[ Sella ] Well, it\'s inside the mother.
01:02:13.626 --> 01:02:15.666
[ No Audible Dialogue ]
01:02:15.667 --> 01:02:17.374
And she can\'t handle it,
01:02:17.375 --> 01:02:23.083
for many, many
extremely desperate reasons.
01:02:29.042 --> 01:02:30.958
[ Monitor Beeps ]
01:02:30.959 --> 01:02:34.958
[ Sella ]What drives women to
seekna third-trimester abortion?
01:02:34.959 --> 01:02:39.082
The less people understand
what\'s going on for the woman,
01:02:39.083 --> 01:02:41.791
it\'s impossible to support it.
01:02:41.792 --> 01:02:43.082
How could you, really?
01:02:43.083 --> 01:02:47.792
I mean, it sounds...
It sounds barbaric,
doesn\'t it?
01:03:01.459 --> 01:03:03.249
[ Carhart ] After what happened in Iowa,
01:03:03.250 --> 01:03:09.750
we met with our attorneysand said,
where isnthe best place to go...
01:03:09.751 --> 01:03:10.292
for the laws?
01:03:10.293 --> 01:03:16.584
And Maryland was,
without any question,
the best place for all that.
01:03:19.083 --> 01:03:20.625
Whoa.
01:03:20.626 --> 01:03:21.250
Oh, see.
01:03:21.251 --> 01:03:26.209
It was hard to find landlordsnbecause
no one would rent to us.
01:03:26.292 --> 01:03:30.291
But eventuallywe found the
clinic herenin Maryland.
01:03:30.292 --> 01:03:32.999
I\'m not gonna be naive and
say that Operation Rescue...
01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:36.416
may not come and target usnin Maryland,
Nbecause they certainly may.
01:03:36.417 --> 01:03:41.541
I don\'t thinkthey\'re gonna get a
very warmnreception in Maryland.
01:03:41.542 --> 01:03:44.082
[ Applause ]N[ Woman ] It\'s
time we took authority,
01:03:44.083 --> 01:03:48.500
because we are
spirit-filledninstruments of Christ,
01:03:48.501 --> 01:03:54.082
and if we don\'t stand
in opposition
to this late-term abortionist,
01:03:54.083 --> 01:03:57.625
he will wreck and ruin and
destroy your whole community.
[ Applause ]
01:03:57.626 --> 01:04:01.875
[ Man ] In 1991, I stoodwith 80 pastors
on the streetsnof Wichita, Kansas,
01:04:01.876 --> 01:04:08.249
and we covenanted with Godto believe
that Wichitanwould be abortion-free.
01:04:08.250 --> 01:04:10.708
It took 19 years,
01:04:10.709 --> 01:04:14.917
but todaynthe city of Wichita, Kansas,
01:04:14.918 --> 01:04:16.917
is abortion-free.
01:04:16.918 --> 01:04:20.333
It is an example
and a prophetic witness... n[ Applause ]
01:04:20.334 --> 01:04:24.917
what Godhas done... and what God willdo.
01:04:24.918 --> 01:04:25.751
[ Applause ]
01:04:25.752 --> 01:04:29.917
[ Carhart ]Dr. Tiller, he always
said, well, it could be you or me.
01:04:29.918 --> 01:04:31.082
I don\'t want to be the next.
01:04:31.083 --> 01:04:36.375
But I think that this is
where somebody now has to say
enough is enough.
01:04:36.959 --> 01:04:38.500
[ Man ] Carhart\'s here.
01:04:38.501 --> 01:04:40.249
It\'s discouraging. It\'s frustrating.
01:04:40.250 --> 01:04:43.666
Brothers and sisters, it\'s happened before.
01:04:43.667 --> 01:04:45.208
It\'s gonna happen again.
01:04:45.209 --> 01:04:48.417
God will do something amazing.
Let\'s pray.
01:04:48.584 --> 01:04:51.416
The Lord be with you.
[ Congregation ]
And also with you.
01:04:51.417 --> 01:04:54.876
[ Man ] Blessed be the name of the Lord.
01:05:11.959 --> 01:05:14.083
[ Door Closes ]
01:05:15.751 --> 01:05:17.751
Okay.
01:05:19.125 --> 01:05:21.917
Suze.
[ Chuckles ]
Oh, here we go.
01:05:21.918 --> 01:05:25.458
[ Sighs ]
[ Laughs ]
This is not good.
01:05:25.459 --> 01:05:28.166
This is not good,
a sigh like that.
01:05:28.167 --> 01:05:32.249
Uh, you know, all the years
I\'ve been doing this, Susan,
01:05:32.250 --> 01:05:33.833
this is like
only the second time...
01:05:33.834 --> 01:05:36.708
that I don\'t think
I can counsel this patient
any further.
01:05:36.709 --> 01:05:40.249
I mean, that I can\'t
be there for her
if we go through with this.
01:05:40.250 --> 01:05:43.208
I... And I rarely give up
on a patient, but...
01:05:43.209 --> 01:05:47.249
Okay, so she called last week.
She was approved by Shelley.
01:05:47.250 --> 01:05:51.082
There\'s her intake care.
Let\'s go over it
real quick.
01:05:51.083 --> 01:05:52.833
Um... Um...
01:05:52.834 --> 01:05:57.166
Sixteen years old.
She\'s 25 weeks today.
01:05:57.167 --> 01:05:58.625
She hates herself.
01:05:58.626 --> 01:06:02.291
She\'s mad at herself
that she let this happen.
01:06:02.292 --> 01:06:04.500
Um, she\'s been pro-life,
01:06:04.501 --> 01:06:06.583
so she thinks this is
killing her baby.
01:06:06.584 --> 01:06:11.750
Then Joan said, \"How are you
gonna forgive yourself?\"
\"I don\'t know if I ever will.\"
01:06:11.751 --> 01:06:14.333
She\'s Catholic.
\"Will you go to confession?\"
01:06:14.334 --> 01:06:16.166
\"Yeah, I\'ll probably
go to confession.\"
01:06:16.167 --> 01:06:19.458
How would she forgive herself
if she had the baby?
01:06:19.459 --> 01:06:20.958
Well, we talked about adoption.
01:06:20.959 --> 01:06:24.583
They met with the boy,
with the boy\'s parents,
they met with the mother.
01:06:24.584 --> 01:06:27.458
They all want her
to have the baby.
Keep the baby.
01:06:27.459 --> 01:06:30.374
\"This is wrong.
You\'re killing a baby.
This is wrong.\"
01:06:30.375 --> 01:06:34.416
Boyfriend\'s parents said,
\"We\'ll take the baby,
we\'ll raise the baby.\"
01:06:34.417 --> 01:06:34.918
Mm-hmm.
01:06:34.919 --> 01:06:38.583
But she says she didn\'t
think she could walk away
from the baby,
01:06:38.584 --> 01:06:40.166
but she doesn\'t want a baby.
01:06:40.167 --> 01:06:44.875
I look at her, and I...
The look in her eyes
is just like...
01:06:44.876 --> 01:06:47.124
Like she hates herself.
01:06:47.125 --> 01:06:50.750
And so is she gonna be
bitter over this
the rest of her life?
01:06:50.751 --> 01:06:52.416
Is she gonna try to harm...
01:06:52.417 --> 01:06:55.999
Is she gonna become
of these... Is she gonna
become an alcoholic?
01:06:56.000 --> 01:06:58.416
Is she gonna try to do
self-harm?
01:06:58.417 --> 01:07:01.124
The \"antis\" out there say,
Oh, you\'re never
gonna get over this.
01:07:01.125 --> 01:07:05.291
Well, this is one that I think
she\'s not gonna get over it,
to be honest with you.
01:07:05.292 --> 01:07:09.500
Okay.
Joan said, well, she\'s saying
she doesn\'t want to have a baby.
01:07:09.501 --> 01:07:13.583
And she\'s saying that,
you know, maybe she can
never forgive herself.
01:07:13.584 --> 01:07:15.833
And I guess
we have to let her
have that.
01:07:15.834 --> 01:07:18.541
Right.
I mean, we\'re...
[ Sighs ]
01:07:18.542 --> 01:07:20.625
But...
We can\'t...
01:07:20.626 --> 01:07:22.750
protect people
from regret.
I know.
01:07:22.751 --> 01:07:26.291
- If she wants... If she...
- But I don\'t feel...
01:07:26.292 --> 01:07:29.333
I can participate
in this anymore.
01:07:29.334 --> 01:07:30.583
Okay.
01:07:30.584 --> 01:07:33.792
So you think I shouldn\'t do it.
01:07:34.542 --> 01:07:35.958
I don\'t... No.
I don\'t think so.
01:07:35.959 --> 01:07:40.833
Okay.
But, you know, like I said,
I can\'t make that decision.
01:07:40.834 --> 01:07:42.709
I can\'t...
01:07:44.083 --> 01:07:45.416
So I...
I don\'t like it.
01:07:45.417 --> 01:07:48.124
I\'ll go talk to her,
and what I may say is,
01:07:48.125 --> 01:07:50.875
I want you to
go back to the hotel
and think this over,
01:07:50.876 --> 01:07:55.833
and if you come back tomorrow
and tell me that
this is what you want...
01:07:55.834 --> 01:07:59.082
I mean, that would be,
I guess, my fall-back position,
01:07:59.083 --> 01:08:01.291
rather than just
send her home to Nevada.
01:08:01.292 --> 01:08:02.209
No.
Yeah, no, I don\'t...
01:08:02.210 --> 01:08:06.958
To say we\'re all uncertain that
this is the right thing for you,
01:08:06.959 --> 01:08:09.999
so I want you to go home...
01:08:10.000 --> 01:08:11.917
Or go back to the hotel...
01:08:11.918 --> 01:08:14.583
and think deeply about this...
01:08:14.584 --> 01:08:18.999
and come back and tell us
if this is...
01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:24.416
That this is what
you have decided
and what you want.
01:08:24.417 --> 01:08:25.917
Mm-hmm.
01:08:25.918 --> 01:08:27.291
But again, I feel yucky.
01:08:27.292 --> 01:08:29.166
You can\'t solve
everybody\'s problems.
01:08:29.167 --> 01:08:32.291
Well, I know I can\'t,
but, damn it, I want to.
01:08:32.292 --> 01:08:34.082
[ Both Laughing ]
Me too.
01:08:34.083 --> 01:08:36.082
I want to solve
everybody\'s problems.
01:08:36.083 --> 01:08:37.791
I want to solve
everybody\'s problems.
01:08:37.792 --> 01:08:41.416
My name is Susan Robinson.
I\'m the doctor.
I\'m Lucy. Nice to meet you.
01:08:41.417 --> 01:08:45.083
Hi, Lucy.
Nice to meet you too.
01:08:46.375 --> 01:08:48.124
[ Robinson ]
Do you feel like
introducing yourself...
01:08:48.125 --> 01:08:53.249
or telling a little bit
about how you came to be here
and what\'s...
01:08:53.250 --> 01:08:57.250
It\'s been quite a catastrophe
for you.
01:08:57.751 --> 01:09:00.583
Um, I\'m from Reno, Nevada.
01:09:00.584 --> 01:09:02.791
And I was kind of in denial...
01:09:02.792 --> 01:09:05.208
up until, like, a month ago.
01:09:05.209 --> 01:09:08.999
Then I was too scared
to tell my mom,
01:09:09.000 --> 01:09:11.918
just as far as disappointment.
01:09:13.667 --> 01:09:14.417
Yeah.
01:09:14.418 --> 01:09:17.583
[ Clears Throat ]
When I actually could
tell her,
01:09:17.584 --> 01:09:19.833
or we had a talk about it,
01:09:19.834 --> 01:09:22.542
it was too late.
01:09:22.626 --> 01:09:23.584
[ Robinson ] Women come here...
01:09:23.585 --> 01:09:30.833
having decided that this is nota pregnancy
that they cannor want to sustain.
01:09:30.834 --> 01:09:32.709
And, um,
01:09:33.751 --> 01:09:36.791
wh-where does... where...
Where does it come from...
01:09:36.792 --> 01:09:40.709
that I get to say,
\"Oh, yeah? Well, why?\"
01:09:42.083 --> 01:09:44.041
Why? Why do younwant an abortion?
01:09:44.042 --> 01:09:47.959
You explain to me,
justify it to me.
01:09:48.834 --> 01:09:49.917
Why is that fair?
01:09:49.918 --> 01:09:52.082
What if you\'re just notna good storyteller?
01:09:52.083 --> 01:09:59.334
Why would it be okay for me tosay, \"No, you\'ve
gotta tell mena better story than that?\"
01:09:59.417 --> 01:10:02.541
Because what I believenis that women...
01:10:02.542 --> 01:10:06.999
are able to struggle with
complex ethical issues...
01:10:07.000 --> 01:10:09.249
and arrive
at the right decision...
01:10:09.250 --> 01:10:11.249
for themselves
and their families.
01:10:11.250 --> 01:10:15.918
They are the world\'s expert
on their own lives.
01:10:16.501 --> 01:10:22.042
So if somebody comes in and she
says, \"I want an abortion,\"
01:10:25.250 --> 01:10:28.583
whether or not
she is articulate about it,
01:10:28.584 --> 01:10:33.875
let alone whether she has
a great story to tell,
isn\'t the point.
01:10:33.876 --> 01:10:38.584
The point is that
she has made this decision.
01:10:39.417 --> 01:10:41.959
And you know,
01:10:44.250 --> 01:10:46.708
i-if... when you take
a stand like that,
01:10:46.709 --> 01:10:50.124
and then, okay,
start pushing the limits,
start pushing the limits,
01:10:50.125 --> 01:10:56.291
eventually you arrive
at a place where you say,
\"I couldn\'t do that.\"
01:10:56.292 --> 01:10:58.584
But, um,
01:10:58.959 --> 01:11:00.666
I think if you\'re gonna...
01:11:00.667 --> 01:11:04.584
For me, if I\'m gonna
turn down a patient,
01:11:05.292 --> 01:11:10.249
it should be because
I think it\'s not safe to...
to take care of her.
01:11:10.250 --> 01:11:13.833
I think that\'s the...
Really the only reason...
01:11:13.834 --> 01:11:16.959
that it\'s fair
to turn a patient down.
01:11:23.083 --> 01:11:26.082
To me, she sounds
completely clear.
01:11:26.083 --> 01:11:26.459
Oh!
01:11:26.460 --> 01:11:31.917
I said, look, of course
you don\'t want an abortion.
Nobody wants an abortion.
01:11:31.918 --> 01:11:32.792
You have three choices.
01:11:32.793 --> 01:11:35.999
You can have a kid
that you say you can\'t
take good care of,
01:11:36.000 --> 01:11:39.416
you can have a kid
and give it to somebody else...
01:11:39.417 --> 01:11:40.625
who you know or don\'t know,
01:11:40.626 --> 01:11:44.583
or you can have an abortion,
which you think is
the wrong thing to do.
01:11:44.584 --> 01:11:48.249
Those are your three choices.
They all suck.
01:11:48.250 --> 01:11:50.791
But you have to
pick one of them.
01:11:50.792 --> 01:11:53.249
And she said,
\"I am committed.\"
01:11:53.250 --> 01:11:55.541
She said, \"I am committed\"
three or four times.
01:11:55.542 --> 01:11:58.333
And I said,
\"So you have struggled
with this decision,
01:11:58.334 --> 01:12:04.584
and you\'ve arrived at what
you think is the best choice
that you have available to you.
01:12:05.083 --> 01:12:07.166
And you feel bad about it.
01:12:07.167 --> 01:12:09.918
You regret it already.
01:12:10.792 --> 01:12:14.291
But you think
it\'s the best of your choices.\"
01:12:14.292 --> 01:12:15.374
And she said, \"Yes.\"
01:12:15.375 --> 01:12:20.041
And I said, \"You want me
to go ahead with this?\"
And she said, \"Yes.\"
01:12:20.042 --> 01:12:20.959
Okay.
And she said,
01:12:20.960 --> 01:12:24.791
\"I\'ve had plenty
of time to think about it.
I\'m committed.\"
01:12:24.792 --> 01:12:25.334
Okay.
01:12:25.335 --> 01:12:29.583
Maybe she just couldn\'t
bring herself to say,
yes, I want an abortion.
01:12:29.584 --> 01:12:33.082
Nobody fucking wants
an abortion.
01:12:33.083 --> 01:12:34.791
And she did great.
01:12:34.792 --> 01:12:36.959
She did.
01:12:37.959 --> 01:12:40.250
[ Clears Throat ]
01:12:46.584 --> 01:12:50.625
[ Women Chanting ]
Hey-hey! Ho-ho! nRoe v. Wadehas go to go!
01:12:50.626 --> 01:12:54.458
Hey-hey! Ho-ho!
Roe v. Wade has go to go!
01:12:54.459 --> 01:12:58.082
Hey-hey! Ho-ho! nRoe v. Wadehas go to go!
01:12:58.083 --> 01:13:01.666
Hey-hey! Ho-ho!
Roe v. Wade has go to go!
01:13:01.667 --> 01:13:04.458
[ Woman ]
Remember, that could have
been you!
01:13:04.459 --> 01:13:06.583
It could have been you
in that womb!
01:13:06.584 --> 01:13:08.208
That could have been you, sir!
01:13:08.209 --> 01:13:12.458
[ Man ]
This is not a happy day
for our nation,
01:13:12.459 --> 01:13:15.917
and particularly for
the state of Maryland,
01:13:15.918 --> 01:13:18.333
for today LeRoy Carhart,
01:13:18.334 --> 01:13:23.750
now the most infamous
late-term abortion provider
in America,
01:13:23.751 --> 01:13:28.751
has come to open
his business here.
01:13:28.876 --> 01:13:33.208
We are gathering here
this morning...
01:13:33.209 --> 01:13:36.374
as a witness for life.
01:13:36.375 --> 01:13:39.751
We are sending
a clear message...
01:13:40.250 --> 01:13:41.917
to LeRoy Carhart...
01:13:41.918 --> 01:13:45.209
and to every business...
01:13:45.334 --> 01:13:46.999
and doctor\'s office...
01:13:47.000 --> 01:13:49.917
and dentist\'s office
in this plaza...
01:13:49.918 --> 01:13:55.459
that we will not be silent.
01:13:55.876 --> 01:13:57.750
We will not be complacent...
01:13:57.751 --> 01:14:00.416
while women
are being brutalized...
01:14:00.417 --> 01:14:03.583
and viable children
are dying.
[ Applause, Cheering ]
01:14:03.584 --> 01:14:05.458
We want every business owner
to know,
01:14:05.459 --> 01:14:10.958
as long as this is
the home of LeRoy Carhart,
it\'s now our home.
01:14:10.959 --> 01:14:14.583
We are going to be here.
We are going to pray.
01:14:14.584 --> 01:14:16.249
- We are going to stay.
- [ Applause, Cheering ]
01:14:16.250 --> 01:14:18.958
[ Man on Megaphone ]
Life, yes!
[ Crowd ] Abortion, no!
01:14:18.959 --> 01:14:21.917
- Life, yes!
- Abortion, no!
01:14:21.918 --> 01:14:23.791
No more abortion!
No more abortion!
01:14:23.792 --> 01:14:26.583
[ Woman ]On back-to-school night
at a Maryland middle school,
01:14:26.584 --> 01:14:29.583
protestors stationed themselves
outside the middle school,
01:14:29.584 --> 01:14:32.249
carrying graphic, bloody
antiabortion signs.
01:14:32.250 --> 01:14:37.041
The protestors were at that particular middle
school because the father of a student there...
01:14:37.042 --> 01:14:40.249
owns the property where Dr.
LeRoy Carhart works.
01:14:40.250 --> 01:14:45.082
So to protest Dr. Carhart, the
protestors picketed the school...
01:14:45.083 --> 01:14:49.917
attended by the child of the owner of the
property where the doctor practices.
01:14:49.918 --> 01:14:52.875
The antiabortion people
also put up a Web site...
01:14:52.876 --> 01:14:54.500
with all of Todd Stave\'s
contact information.
01:14:54.501 --> 01:14:58.124
The site urged people to contact
Todd Stave and ask him to...
01:14:58.125 --> 01:15:00.750
cancel the doctor\'s lease,
close down its clinic...
01:15:00.751 --> 01:15:04.584
and not to allow anybody to replace Dr.
Carhart.
01:15:05.709 --> 01:15:07.416
[ Carhart ] The thing with the school,
01:15:07.417 --> 01:15:12.208
it aggravated the owner
enoughnthat he got very, very...
01:15:12.209 --> 01:15:15.208
He took it really personally.
01:15:15.209 --> 01:15:18.625
Now, could Todd say, n
\"Tomorrow, move\"? Yeah.
01:15:18.626 --> 01:15:19.584
Then I\'d have to move.
01:15:19.585 --> 01:15:23.041
And I think
if we don\'t fight back,
it\'ll go away,
01:15:23.042 --> 01:15:24.833
that abortion
will not be available.
01:15:24.834 --> 01:15:27.666
[ Together ]
May God rebuke him,
we humbly pray,
01:15:27.667 --> 01:15:32.249
and do thou,
prince of the heavenly host,
by the power of God,
01:15:32.250 --> 01:15:33.083
cast into hell Satan...
01:15:33.084 --> 01:15:38.792
and all the evil spirits
who prowl among the world,
seeking the ruin of souls.
01:15:47.626 --> 01:15:50.125
[ Sighs ]
01:15:53.292 --> 01:15:58.041
Wanna call the police?
There\'s that same black car
following us.
01:15:58.042 --> 01:16:01.166
Oh, we\'ve got a little
welcoming committee
out here today.
01:16:01.167 --> 01:16:03.875
Oh, they\'ve got
a couple of little kids.
How nice.
01:16:03.876 --> 01:16:07.334
Just what you need...
Your kids out in the cold.
01:16:07.417 --> 01:16:10.791
[ Sella ]Absolutely, I think
that the community of Wichita...
01:16:10.792 --> 01:16:13.875
was responsible for Dr.
Tiller being killed.
01:16:13.876 --> 01:16:16.583
Of course, not directly.
They didn\'t
pull the trigger.
01:16:16.584 --> 01:16:21.958
But there was
such a climate of
disdain, at its best,
01:16:21.959 --> 01:16:25.375
and hatred, at its worst,
for him.
01:16:25.459 --> 01:16:27.124
Everyone loved him
when they needed him,
01:16:27.125 --> 01:16:30.249
when, you know...
when their kid
needed an abortion.
01:16:30.250 --> 01:16:34.834
Well, of course they wanted him
because he was the best.
01:16:35.083 --> 01:16:37.625
But that was all secret.
01:16:37.626 --> 01:16:42.584
But aside from that,
he was a pariah.
01:16:44.417 --> 01:16:46.999
And it was on all levels.
01:16:47.000 --> 01:16:49.375
All levels.
01:16:50.626 --> 01:16:52.583
[ Sella ]It was amazing. And it continues.
01:16:52.584 --> 01:16:57.041
You know, there\'s a woman who is trying
to opennan abortion clinic in Wichita,
01:16:57.042 --> 01:17:02.124
and her landlord
will not renew her lease
to perform abortions...
01:17:02.125 --> 01:17:05.416
because Operation Rescue
has threatened them.
01:17:05.417 --> 01:17:07.416
So, who wants to
have a tenant...
01:17:07.417 --> 01:17:12.000
where there\'s gonna be
protestors outside
all the time?
01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:16.875
That\'s what\'s really maddening to me,
01:17:16.876 --> 01:17:21.082
that here, this provider was killed...
01:17:21.083 --> 01:17:23.500
in Wichita,
01:17:23.501 --> 01:17:26.167
and yet nothing has changed.
01:17:26.250 --> 01:17:29.249
It\'s almost like
people were relieved.
01:17:29.250 --> 01:17:31.999
Now we don\'t have to
deal with this anymore,
01:17:32.000 --> 01:17:35.041
and we don\'t want
to deal with it anymore.
01:17:35.042 --> 01:17:37.584
It\'s abortion-free.
01:17:39.417 --> 01:17:43.208
It\'s disheartening.
It\'s really disheartening.
01:17:43.209 --> 01:17:45.583
[ Woman ]Joining us tonight for
the interview is Todd Stave.
01:17:45.584 --> 01:17:50.249
He\'s the Maryland entrepreneur who was
targeted at his child\'s middle school.
01:17:50.250 --> 01:17:53.291
Thank you very much for being here tonight.
Thank you for having me.
01:17:53.292 --> 01:17:56.291
How did you decide
the right way to respond
to these protestors?
01:17:56.292 --> 01:18:00.750
Well, I\'ve actually been a victim of
this sort of thing for my entire life.
01:18:00.751 --> 01:18:02.416
My fathernwas an abortion provider,
01:18:02.417 --> 01:18:06.917
and I remember whennl was a junior in
high school back in the early \'80s...
01:18:06.918 --> 01:18:08.416
my father\'s clinic
was fire-bombed.
01:18:08.417 --> 01:18:12.249
So I\'ve been around
this sort of thing
for my entire life.
01:18:12.250 --> 01:18:15.708
And to go in frontnof my
daughter\'s middle school...
01:18:15.709 --> 01:18:17.583
and attempt to humiliate me,
01:18:17.584 --> 01:18:19.999
and attempt tonhumiliate my daughter...
01:18:20.000 --> 01:18:20.751
I needed to fight back.
01:18:20.752 --> 01:18:24.333
Mr. Stave started
taking down the names
and phone numbers...
01:18:24.334 --> 01:18:26.166
of the people who called him...
01:18:26.167 --> 01:18:29.041
to call the people backnwho
had been calling him,
01:18:29.042 --> 01:18:32.291
to thank them for their thoughts
and to tell them that, no,
01:18:32.292 --> 01:18:33.917
he would not be shutting Dr. Carhart down.
01:18:33.918 --> 01:18:38.041
He couldn\'t legally, even if he wanted
to, and besides, he didn\'t want to.
01:18:38.042 --> 01:18:39.042
He supports women\'s rights.
01:18:39.043 --> 01:18:42.875
As a landlord,
I support you.
That\'s wonderful.
01:18:42.876 --> 01:18:48.917
And, um, I-I\'m never...
I\'m not going to tell you
to stop or kick you out.
01:18:48.918 --> 01:18:50.082
Um, I can only hope...
01:18:50.083 --> 01:18:53.082
that when you ultimately retirethat
somebody elsentakes your place.
01:18:53.083 --> 01:18:56.625
[ Carhart ]I think he felt they
hadnno right targeting him...
01:18:56.626 --> 01:18:58.082
because he wasna property owner...
01:18:58.083 --> 01:19:01.374
and he was leasing a building
to somebody doing
something legal.
01:19:01.375 --> 01:19:03.666
And they were purely doing this
to intimidate him,
01:19:03.667 --> 01:19:07.750
and he had
the intestinal fortitude to say,
\"You\'re not gonna do that.\"
01:19:07.751 --> 01:19:13.416
Really, I wanted you to know
how much I really appreciate
what you\'re doing and, uh...
01:19:13.417 --> 01:19:15.626
All right.
Bye-bye, Todd.
01:19:17.876 --> 01:19:20.875
[ Carhart ]Things have changednsince Dr.
Tiller\'s death.
01:19:20.876 --> 01:19:24.249
And it\'s a shame
that George had to die
to get that started,
01:19:24.250 --> 01:19:29.750
but I think indeed, he did get
a lot of the dialogue started
that\'s going on today.
01:19:29.751 --> 01:19:32.416
And we don\'t have
Dr. Tiller anymore,
01:19:32.417 --> 01:19:35.458
but we still have the four of
usnthat are still practicing,
01:19:35.459 --> 01:19:41.542
and I think that Georgewould be proud
thatnwe are carrying on his work.
01:19:41.876 --> 01:19:43.583
Unfortunately, the Friday before he died...
01:19:43.584 --> 01:19:50.124
he had called me and he said,\"I want you to come
down Sundayn because I\'m not gonna be here.
01:19:50.125 --> 01:19:53.249
I\'m planning on the three
of younrunning the clinic,
01:19:53.250 --> 01:19:55.625
and I\'m just gonnanspend
time with my family.\"
01:19:55.626 --> 01:19:57.750
He just really wanted to
enjoynbeing the grandfather.
01:19:57.751 --> 01:20:02.124
And so the loss to the practice
and the loss to the women
were great,
01:20:02.125 --> 01:20:06.750
but the loss to his family
was probably the biggest...
01:20:06.751 --> 01:20:10.042
The biggest loss that occurred.
01:20:16.584 --> 01:20:19.584
What do you think?
Yes.
01:20:20.918 --> 01:20:23.124
[ Speaking Spanish ]
01:20:23.125 --> 01:20:24.918
Mm-hmm.
01:20:46.542 --> 01:20:49.374
[ Hern ]Being an abortion
doctornis something I have to do.
01:20:49.375 --> 01:20:52.625
It\'s something Ineed to do.
I want to do it.
01:20:52.626 --> 01:20:55.791
But until a few years ago,
01:20:55.792 --> 01:20:57.708
when I met my wife,
01:20:57.709 --> 01:21:00.583
it made me feelnextremely isolated...
01:21:00.584 --> 01:21:03.292
and very lonely.
01:21:04.959 --> 01:21:09.792
You know, this is a...
this is not a subject
which is easy.
01:21:10.834 --> 01:21:14.501
And, you know,
people can disagree.
01:21:25.083 --> 01:21:28.958
See you in the afternoon.
I\'ll come back in the afternoon.
01:21:28.959 --> 01:21:30.750
Okay, sweetie.
01:21:30.751 --> 01:21:32.583
Bye.
Okay.
All right.
01:21:32.584 --> 01:21:35.249
Take good care, you.
I love you.
Okay.
01:21:35.250 --> 01:21:38.042
I\'ll see you later.
01:21:39.918 --> 01:21:41.999
[ Hern ]I never even
plannednto practice medicine,
01:21:42.000 --> 01:21:47.250
much less specialize in... much less
specializenin doing abortions.
01:21:48.876 --> 01:21:51.334
So, here we are.
01:21:54.250 --> 01:21:56.583
[ Fernando ]
01:21:56.584 --> 01:21:58.333
Well, I wanted to be
a race car driver.
01:21:58.334 --> 01:22:04.750
I wanted to be a photographer
and a photojournalist
and a writer.
01:22:04.751 --> 01:22:08.500
And, uh, I wanted tonhave a family.
01:22:08.501 --> 01:22:10.750
I wanted to benan epidemiologist.
01:22:10.751 --> 01:22:12.583
[ Fernando ]
Which you are. Yes.
01:22:12.584 --> 01:22:18.666
Warren, you\'re pretty much
everything you\'ve said
but a race car driver.
01:22:18.667 --> 01:22:21.583
Uh, there are times, if you
were following me, Fernando,
01:22:21.584 --> 01:22:23.917
you might thinknyou were
mistaken about that.
01:22:23.918 --> 01:22:28.417
But I haven\'t done that with
you and your mom in the car.
01:22:35.083 --> 01:22:36.917
¿Y tú?
01:22:36.918 --> 01:22:40.542
[ Chattering, Indistinct ]
01:22:53.042 --> 01:22:56.292
[ No Audible Dialogue ]
Distributor: Bullfrog Films
Length: 88 minutes
Date: 2014
Genre: Expository
Language: English
Grade: 10 - 12, College, Adults
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