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[sil.]

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As we in our coalition partners
are doing in Afghanistan.

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We would bring to the Iraqi people food

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and medicines and supplies

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and freedom.

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So I believe that this
is a fight for freedom

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and I want to make it

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a fight for justice too.

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We have shown freedom’s power.
And in this great conflict

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my fellow Americans we will
see freedom’s victory.

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September 11th, 2001,

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dominates almost everything
we watch read and hear.

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We are fighting a war on terror
say George Bush and Tony Blair

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a noble war against evil itself but
what are the real aims of this war

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and who are the most threatening terrorists

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indeed who is responsible for far greater acts of
violence than those committed by the fanatics of Al-Qaeda

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crimes that have claimed many
more lives than September 11th

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and always in poor
devastated faraway places

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from Latin America to Southeast Asia.
The answer to these questions

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is to be found here in the United
States where those now (inaudible)

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speak openly about their
conquests and of endless war,

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Afghanistan, Iraq these they say are
just the beginning look out North Korea

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Iran even China. This film
is about the rise and rise

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of rapacious imperial power

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and the terrorism that never speaks
its name because it is our terrorism.

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This is Afghanistan and
this woman’s name is Orifa.

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[non-English narration]

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In October, 2001,

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an American plane dropped a five hundred
pound bomb on her modern stone house,

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eight members of a family were killed including
six children, two children died next door.

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[sil.]

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Afghanistan was claimed (inaudible) victory

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in America’s war on terror against Islamic
fundamentalists known as Al-Qaeda,

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the group responsible for the
attacks of September 11th.

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The Taliban regime in Afghanistan
had given Osama bin Laden a base.

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Bin Laden, the Taliban
leader will never caught.

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Instead more than three thousand
innocent people were bombed to death

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plus more than were
killed on September 11th.

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President Bush calls this
Operation Enduring Freedom.

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[sil.]

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[sil.]

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[music]

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A world away in New York. This is
Rita Lasar and her brother Ape.

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Ape was killed in the Twin Towers on September 11th. He might
have saved himself but chose to help a disable friend.

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My view does not look out
on the World Trade Center

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but I am on the fifteenth
floor in the Lower Manhattan

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and I ran across the hall
to my friend’s apartment

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and her windows looked out on the World Trade Center
and I got there in time to see the second plane

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hit the second building.

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And strangely enough it was only then that I
said oh my god my brother’s in that building.

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Danny, my son’s best friend called and said

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\"Can I come over\" and we said \"Sure\" and he
said \"Did you watch the president’s speech?\"

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and we said \"No\" and he said
\"He mentioned your brother\"

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And I looked at him and I
said what he talking about

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and then I thought gee there must have
been a lot of people who stayed behind

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with their friends in wheelchairs you know
you don’t think that it’s your own brother

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you it’s just… You know think that.

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But it was my brother and immediately…

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immediately I knew that my country
was going to use my brother’s death

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to justify killing innocent people in
Afghanistan and wherever else they would look.

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Rita decided to go to Afghanistan

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to comfort the victims of the
American bombing. She met Orifa,

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untalkative to the American embassy
in Kabul to seek compensation

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for the killing of a family.
I will tell you that Orifa,

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she had taken a translated description
of what happened to her and her family

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to the American embassy to ask for help

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and had been turned away and
told go away you are a beggar.

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The oppressed people of Afghanistan

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will know the generosity of America and our
allies. As we strike military targets,

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we will also drop food, medicine and supplies for the starving
and suffering men and women and children of Afghanistan.

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The United States of America is
a friend to the Afghan people.

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Such a friend but out
of ten billion dollars

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spent in Afghanistan in the last two years,

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the majority has been spent on the military.
Of all the great humanitarian disasters,

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few countries are being
helped less than Afghanistan.

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Only three percent of all international
aid has been for reconstruction.

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[sil.]

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Such a friend that the United States

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has yet to clear these unexploded cluster bombs
that they have dropped in the center of Kabul,

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where children play in the lethal rubble.

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[sil.]

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And children are supposed to
learn in this devastation.

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[non-English narration]

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[sil.]

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The Afghan government

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gets less than 20% of the
aid that is delivered.

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Omar Zakhilwal is a
government official in Kabul.

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Well, 20% is about three hundred million.

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Three hundred million you are meant to rebuild the
country basically with three hundred million?

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Oh no, the government does not have
it’s… its own resources for the

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umm… ordinary budget.

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Their three hundred million become
salaries in electricity and those.

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No, those are not for reconstruction.

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That sounds like you are
left with almost nothing.

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The government has no money
for reconstruction, period.

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[sil.]

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The water in this typical Afghan village
may look clean but it’s contaminated

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and most of the children suffer
from preventable diseases.

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Since the overthrow of the
Taliban, little is changed

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for these people life is just as dangerous.

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[sil.]

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I found the population of two villagers

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living destitute in the rubble
of this shoe factory in Kabul.

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They had fled attacked by warlords who dropped
them and kidnap their wives and daughters.

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[sil.]

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I have spent much of my life

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in places of upheaval but I have rarely seen such
a bombed and blasted and ruined city as Kabul.

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Most of the damage was
done not by the Taliban

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but by the Afghan warlords backed
and trained and funded by America

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for more than twenty years the same warlords who have
been effectively put back into power by George Bush.

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While Afghanistan’s liberation
from the Taliban was welcomed here

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and brought certain freedoms

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such as the opening of schools
and playing of music.

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For many people another kind of terror replaced
it, one barely acknowledged in the west.

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And not only has the government in Kabul,

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no power and no money the president kamikaze does not
leave his office without his forty two bodyguards

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from the U.S. special forces.

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Real power is held by these men warlords

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whose record of repression and brutality
is little different from the Taliban

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many Afghans regard them as no better.

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For four years from 1992 they fought
each other for control the world,

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killing fifty thousand innocent people
and smashing the city to rebels.

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[sil.]

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By any definition the warlords or terrorists
bribed by the Americans with a fortune in cash

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and truckloads of arms.

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Today they control the government in Kabul
and have reestablished the opium trade

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from which comes most of the heroin
reaching the streets of Britain.

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Now Human Rights Watch
has broken the silence

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documenting atrocities committed
by gunmen and warlords

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who have a centrally hijacked country.
Once again the victims are often women.

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Today women are free

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and our part of Afghanistan’s new government and we welcome
the new minister of women’s affairs, Dr. Sima Samar.

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Dr. Sima Samar is a symbol
of Afghans resistance

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and humanity. She defied the
Taliban and (inaudible) for women.

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In 2001 came an another woman to a
point of (inaudible) government

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as a face of liberation but no sooner
had the applause in Washington

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by the way then she was forced out.

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The warlords were not tolerating such an
outspoken voice of freedom for women.

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Today Dr. Samar lives in
constant fear of her life

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with bodyguards with her night and day. No one
understands more the plight of Afghan women.

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It’s not much changed for them.

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They are still, the majority doesn’t have access to
health care, they don’t have access to education

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they don’t have access to job opportunity.

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The liberation of women in Afghanistan is
mostly a sham and their plight is desperate.

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Since the overthrow of the Taliban Human
Rights Watch has documented kidnapping

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and the mass rape of women, girls and boys.

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Girl’s schools are being burned down.

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In the western city of Herat women
can be arrested if they drive

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and if they are caught with an unrelated man
even a taxi driver, they may be subjected

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to a chastity test. This is Marina,

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a member of an extraordinary organization
called the revolutionary women of Afghanistan,

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which is protected uneducated woman
and documented their repression.

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We have to meet them in secret. The vial
was necessary to cover her identity.

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We don’t believe that
there is much difference

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between the Taliban and the Northern Alliance or the commanders
who are now in power in different parts of Afghanistan

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because the origin is the same. They believe in the same thing,
their nature is the same. They are the two faces of the same coin.

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Women don’t feel secure.

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Umm… The police are generally
not functioning properly,

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courts are not generally functioning properly. You have
places where you have real deep fear of commanders

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and of armed groups you know cases
where women get taken by armed groups

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where people become
imprisoned in private jails.

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You have reports that men and women
who are walking down the street

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get kicked up almost at random to
check whether or not they are married

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to verify that that they haven’t been
having illegal sexual intercourse.

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Just uh… a month back these commanders raped women and
a group of thirty five women jumped into the river

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along with their children and they died

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just to save themselves
from being raped again.

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The starving, the (inaudible)
the dispossessed,

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the ignorant those living
in want and squalor

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from the deserts of Northern Africa to the slums
of Gaza to the mountain regions of Afghanistan

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they too are our cause.

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[sil.]

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To a growing number of
people around the world

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America’s war on terror is about
hypocrisy and double standards

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about terrorists classified as good and bad

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depending on the usefulness to the
great game of power politics.

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For years Osama bin Laden was not only
regarded in Washington and London

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as a good terrorist, he was
virtually our creation.

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One of the most closely guarded
secrets of the Cold War

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was America’s role in supporting Afghan
warlords known as the (inaudible)

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the official story is that America back these
fundamentalists in response to the Soviet invasion

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of Afghanistan in December,
1979 but that’s not true

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it was six months before the Soviet
invasion in July of that year

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the president Jimmy Carter authorized five hundred
million dollars to help set up the (inaudible)

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a terrorist organization. The American
people were completely unaware that

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their government together with
the British Secret Service MI6

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had begun training and funding Islamic
extremists including Osama bin Laden.

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Out of this came the Taliban,
Al Qaeda and September 11th.

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[non-English narration]

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Soon after the Taliban
came to power in 1996,

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the administration of Bill Clinton

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backed a secret plan for a pipeline
through Afghanistan from Central Asia

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which has vast reserves of oil and gas. The
Taliban were offered a generous cut in the deal

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and secretly invited to
Washington and Texas.

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They were treated royally taken to
shopping and flown to tourist attractions

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like the NASA Space Center
and Mount Rushmore.

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Their tour was so secret that
no television news covered it,

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most Americans knew nothing.

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By the time George W. Bush came to power
the link between Al Qaeda and the Taliban

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was an embarrassment and September
11th gave Bush an opportunity

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to get rid of them. Today
Afghanistan is run by a regime

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installed by the Americans and the
pipeline deal is going ahead.

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[sil.]

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September 11th also presented an
opportunity to an influential group

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who even by Republican party
standards were extreme.

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Ray McGovern is a former senior officer
of the Central Intelligence Agency,

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the CIA and a personal friend of George
Bush Sr. the president’s father.

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The same people who are running U.S.
policy now

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are people of the president’s
father kept at arms length.

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They were… they were referred
to uh… in the circles

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in which I moved when I was briefing at the top intelligence
and policy levels who were referred to as the crazies

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\"the crazies\" I mean you used to talk about
the crazy everyone knew who they were

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from Richard Perle, Paul
Wolfowitz, Doug Feith those folks.

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The crazies also include Donald
Rumsfeld seen here in Baghdad in 1986,

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warmly greeting Saddam Hussein who
was then big armed to the teeth

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by America and Britain.

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This is one of their blueprints published
in 2000 by the extreme right wing group

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project for a New American
Century the US military will

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fight multiple simultaneous wars as the
cavalry on the new American frontier.

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The principal author is William Kristol.

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The problem with America is not that we go around
garroting around the world imposing ourselves.

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The problem with America in the last ten fifteen years is
the end of the Cold War really in the last sixty years

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is that we have been too slow
to get involved in conflicts.

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Outside America people have worried
about uh… the United States

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uh… conducting an unprovoked attack
on a country, a soviet country…

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Yes… yes they are… Really they are worried we’re going
to attack Britain, France, Germany any… any democracy…

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No… no… no… Any decent regime… No… well no, United
States doesn’t usually attack strong countries.

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Do we attack decent countries?

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No, I said strong countries. Do I have asking decent countries? I don’t know…
If you are really worried the U.S. is going to go a decent law abiding country

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and the U.S is gonna come in and say we don’t like the look of you we’re
going to depose you, is that something the U.S. has done quite often.

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How many countries the U.S. attacked
you know, in last 50 years?

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Uh… well since World War II, there have been 72
interventions by the United States. Was that right? Yes.

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That’s ludicrous. Well it’s
not ludicrous it’s true.

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These are some of the countries where the
United States directly and indirectly

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has over thrown governments, manipulated elections
and attacked popular movements since 1945.

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Bush’s war on terror

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is just another brand name replacing
the red menace as justification

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for a systematic aggression
this is well documented

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yet it remains a kind of secret
history seldom reported in the West

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as a war of terror.

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Take just one decade the 1970’s.

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September 11th, 1973 (inaudible),

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on that day United States (inaudible) the over
throw of the democratic government of Chile.

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More than 30,000 people were killed

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including the elected
president Salvador Allende.

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In the Southeast Asia, American bombers
hundreds and thousands in Cambodia and Laos.

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In Vietnam, the United States rained a
chemical poison called Agent Orange,

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a weapon of mass destruction.

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Today its effects still cause
death and birth deformities.

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In Indonesia (inaudible)

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America’s backing of the dictatorship of General
Suharto, lead to as many as a million deaths.

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The U.S. government multiplied its aid to

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uh… uh… Indonesia as the slaughter uh…
in… in (inaudible) was occurring.

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Umm… Vietnam, Cambodia, Laos

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umm… you know, the United States
ranks pretty high unfortunately in…

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in supporting uh… uh…
leaders and governments

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umm… that brutalized their own people.
Last year the Bush administration released

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its national security strategy behind
the jargon of the war on terror

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is a new message but America intends to stand
alone and dominate by threat of force.

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It reminds you I think of the days of the fifties when
people children were told to go under their desks

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there is an atomic bomb might
hit them or something.

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I mean it’s just ludicrous what’s going
on and the whole twist of dragging Iraq

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into the war of terrorism the axis of evil all of
this fundamental sort of rubbish you might say.

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It’s part of the political games
that are being played by Bush

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given the opportunity that nine eleven presented to him
and his regime and the survival there off on the future…

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they are off for the next election in 2004.

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Today the United States has 152
military bases around the world,

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these include bases at major sources of energy,
established under cover of the war on terror.

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The U.S. military calls this
full spectrum dominance.

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We don’t really give a
damn what anybody thinks.

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We rub everyone’s face in it we are Americans and you are not and
we are really… We are talking the Roman Empire here I mean we…

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we will do anything we want to
do anywhere we want to do it

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uh… and you are either with us or against us
and multilateral institutions like the U.N.

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are incidental and irrelevant uh… to the powers that
be that is the image we are sending to the world

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that is what much of the world feels
about this country right this minute.

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We cannot accept and we will not accept

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states that harbor, finance, train

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or equip the agents of terror. Those
nations that violate this principle

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will be regarded as hostile regimes.

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How ironic up how Bush’s words because
thousands of known terrorists

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had to be found in the United
States living beyond the law

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[sil.] Last year I missed
the international confirm

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the presence of thousands of torturers
given safe haven in the United States.

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The report listed notorious
names from Latin America

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many of them trained here at the School
of Americas, in the state of Georgia

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where American officers used to manuals like this
to teach the black ops of terror and oppression.

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Most Americans are
completely unaware of this.

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You know you look at the Truth
Commission report you know Salvador

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who was responsible for the massacres
very high percentage of more trained

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in the United at the School of the Americas in
Georgia. Umm… And down not just in El Salvador,

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in Panama, in Honduras, in
Guatemala I mean you go as I have

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umm… you go and meet with you
know the high command in…

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in the military in Central America and…
and you see on their walls diplomas

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uh… from the school of Americas
and other U.S. institutions.

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So when people talk about terrorism it’s
always over there it’s not the terrorists

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that the United States have supported.

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We have done more throughout our history
uh… and since World War II in particular

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I think to create conditions in which
individuals can be free around the world

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than any other country in history. In Afghanistan
Colonel Rod Davis is helping to spread

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that message of individual freedom.

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Good morning I am Colonel Rod Davis, I am
the Director of Public Affairs for CJTF180,

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that’s the coalition military force

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uh… stationed here in Afghanistan
specifically at Bagram air base.

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Uh… This morning what we gonna do is take you on a tour
of Bagram airbase because tour numerous facilities

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the airfield itself will point out…
This is Bagram air base near Kabul.

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It’s here that Al-Qaeda
suspects are interrogated

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and disappear from where there are being allegations
of torture many of them end up in camp X. ray

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at Guantanamo Bay and Cuba.

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What happens Colonel to innocent
people who are swept up in this people

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who have come through your
detention facility here at Bagram

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but there really isn’t a case to be made
against them and they kind of disappeared.

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Well, let’s talk about what you
refer to as the detention facility.

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Your whole life there now you…
How would you describe it?

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Its not a detention facility

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I tell you what will talk about that, let’s pull
off you a side here and let you take a few images.

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This is it over here it is? Well,
we will let you know. Okay.

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What I can assure you of
your public regard is this.

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To anyone that is under custody

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any of the holding locations. They are attended
to medically medical care is provided.

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They are fair.

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They are looked at. There is no
abuse or torture that goes on

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inside of any of these holding facilities. There
have been… there have been allegations of torture

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haven’t there uh… Particularly
there is a military pathologist

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who actually described the
death in custody of a man here

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I think is name is (inaudible), who
she described as homicide murder.

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You know that (inaudible) I am aware
of uh… I am aware of the allegation

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what I’ll say to you as I think one
who is there we have to say that

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Americans in particular the
(inaudible) members of the coalition

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uh… aren’t known for committing atrocities.

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That’s not something that is part of our
history it’s not the way we do business.

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Uh… It’s not the way we treat people.

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If you were arrested in the
United States by a foreign army

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and brought to the holding facility would
you expect to have certain basic rights

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that is access to lawyers,
access to people outside

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not just simply to literally disappear.
Well you… you talk about status before.

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As I said is rather complicated and I guess
there is some type of continuum or septrum

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if you will you know probably prisoners
of war off to the far left or right

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depending on your perspective
and something less than that

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to the bar other end.

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Umm… We are somewhere on that spectrum you
know. Somewhere on that spectrum is this man,

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was (inaudible) Mohamed
is a Kabul taxi driver

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who disappeared in Bagram April last
year he is now in Guantanamo Bay

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He is not been charged with anything his
crime was to enquire after a friend

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another taxi driver who was arrested

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and he was since been released.
What makes this case so appalling

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is that this man is recognized by the present
government as having resisted the Taliban.

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This is his brother Taj Mohammad, a nurse.

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This is where he is now, Guantanamo Bay,
where prisoners are shackled (inaudible)

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and kept in cages eight feet by seven feet

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for up to twenty four hours a
day the light is always on.

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Children and all man are being incarcerated.
Amnesty International calls it a black hall,

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a violation of the most basic human rights.

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There are nine British citizens here

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including this man (inaudible)
from the West Midlands

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who was affectively kidnapped by the Americans
two weeks after he derived in Pakistan

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where he has relatives. That
was almost two years ago

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since then his family has pleaded for
help from the British government

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but still he’s been charged with nothing.

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[sil.]

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[music]

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These are the oil fields
of the Middle East,

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the greatest prize of all. Iraq is the
world’s second biggest oil producer

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and its conquest gives America a vast base

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from which to dominate the Middle East. It’s been
a conquest achieved at any price including truth.

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It was serious dishonesty

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the result of which uh… includes effect
that thousands of Iraqis have died,

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hundreds of soldiers
from their own countries

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have tragically died. Andrew Wilkie is the
only serving western intelligence officer

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to break kaba and expose what
he believes to be the truth

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about the invasion of Iraq.

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Working in the top secret office of National
Assessments in Canberra he saw intelligence shared

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by America Britain and Australia.

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We were sold this war on the
basis of Iraq possessing

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a massive arsenal of weapons
of mass destruction.

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Which was never found and won’t be found because
there… there was no massive arsenal of weapons.

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We are also promised a
need for war on the basis

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of active cooperation
between Iraq and Al Qaida

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and the fact that it was just a matter of time before
some of these weapons from this massive arsenal

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were passed to this terrorist group.
Always a ridiculous proposition

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and always completely at odds with my
experience in the intelligence community

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that there was no hard intelligence to establish
that there was a link between Iraq and Al Qaida.

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You know I never saw any
evidence that would link it

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and thus far there is been no evidence produced
that would suggest that Saddam was behind al Qaeda

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in fact my experience in the time I
start would suggest the opposite

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that Saddam was the least likely person
to want anything to do with al Qaeda

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the only reason to have gone to war
was to deal with a threat so imminent

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and so dangerous that war as a last resort

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was the only means available.

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As I weigh the evidence as I watched the
debate emerge I reflected on my own experience

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as I listen to the discussions from the Pentagon and
inside the White House I checked with sources in Congress

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and people who work hard on the
intelligence that simply wasn’t the case.

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Isn’t there a problem for us in the west of
honesty about the reason for going to war in Iraq

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and that was weapons of mass destruction.

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You know, I don’t think that was a lie we… we
went to war in large part because of the concern

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that weapons of mass destruction in the…
in the hands of the Saddam Hussein regime,

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a regime that used such weapons
in particular nerve gas…

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and which was supplied by the United States and
Britain with these weapons of mass destruction

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No, I don’t believe that’s accurate. Well yes they were, most…
most of the weapons of mass destruction from Saddam Hussein

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weren’t built by him. The uh…
the machine tools and the…

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the ingredients for his biological weapons they
all came from other countries many of them

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from this country and Britain. I don’t think
that’s right I think I really think the…

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It’s on the record in the library of Congress. I… I… I… I
think… I think that premise of your question is wrong.

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Mr. Feith, I don’t need to look
up this congressional record

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of a US Senate inquiry in 1992.
It shows that the US government

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approved the sale of biological
weapons to Saddam Hussein.

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The supplier is with
this company in Maryland

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and Porton Down in Britain. If you really want to know is the
proof about the state of Iraq’s weapons of mass destruction

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before the invasion listen to
Colin Powell in February 2001,

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he states clearly that there was
no threat from Saddam Hussein.

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He is not developed any
significant capability

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with respect to weapons of mass destruction.
He is unable to project conventional power

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against his neighbors. And this is Condoleezza
Rice, Bush’s national security adviser

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in July of the same year,
saying the same thing

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putting the lie to their own propaganda.

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We are able to keep arms from him his military forces
have not been rebuilt. A reflection of a change…

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And that many believed was the truth, a truth
that was covered up and conveniently forgotten

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after September 11th when Bush and
Blair decided to attack Iraq.

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They found no weapons of mass destruction,

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no links with al Qaeda, no nuclear
weapons, no forty five minute threat.

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So was it all a charade?

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Uh… It was ninety five
percent charade… charade.

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A charade indeed.

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The invasion has been planned long ago. In July last
year Condoleezza Rice told another Bush official

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that decision has been made

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don’t waste your breath. This is not
what Bush told the American people.

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It’s this that makes the inquiry in London

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by Lord Hutton look like a dramatic diversion. Its
narrow terms preventing a far reaching investigation

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not only into the loss of one life but
thousands of lives of innocent people in Iraq

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the victims of an unprovoked war.

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[sil.]

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It’s now reliably estimated

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that up to ten thousand civilians may
have died in the attack on Iraq.

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Jo Wilding a human rights observer in Baghdad
during the bombing saw the suffering.

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I and a few other observers were being taken
around the hospital by one of the doctors

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and he was introducing us to some
civilian casualties from the previous day

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and he was called away to the emergency room so he
took us with him and as we walked in there was a woman

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probably in a mid thirty’s just screaming over
and over \"we are farmers… we are farmers\"

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and she had a little boy in her arms
umm… he was four, his name was Mohammed

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and the whole right hand side of
his face was cut up by shrapnel

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and then there were other women and then there was a little
girl and she was just screaming every time anyone moved,

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and screaming when they took her into the X-ray
room, screaming when they brought her out again.

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And the doctor pulled back the covers and
showed us this huge gauze of a thigh

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and they were trying to clean it and they didn’t
have enough anesthetics or painkillers or anything

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so she was just screaming and screaming as they tried to
clean this wound. All of them were just in so much pain

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and for Taiya the youngest of the daughters
was eight and she was killed in the bombing

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and Fatima was just stained with all that blood and
just going from one to another picking them up.

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Why isn’t wrong for dictators

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and terrorists to kill innocent civilians

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and right or excusable for the United
States to do exactly the same.

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Well the United States doesn’t
do it and if we did it,

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it would be is reprehensible was as what
the… the terrorists do. The United States

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doesn’t kill innocent civilians? Uh… No the
United States does not target civilians.

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Hmm… Those of us on the outside

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who look at September 11th where three thousand people died in
that tragedy but then look at the thousands who have died since,

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wonder about double standards here.

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How would you address that? I think that the umm… I
think that the numbers that you’re talking about are…

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are questionable so let’s…

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let’s leave aside what your numbers… What’s (inaudible)
questionable? I… I mean I don’t accept your assertion

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that we have killed thousands
of uh… uh… of innocent people

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but let me give us… There’s a lot… there’s
a lot of… there’s a lot of studies

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uh… and an examination of…
of facts on the ground

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that suggest indeed thousands
I mean in Iraq at the moment

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uh… there are studies that are talking about ten
thousand but I don’t want to get into numbers

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but certainly thousand seems a fair figure. Uh… I… I don’t… I don’t
know that that’s true and I… and I don’t accept the assertion.

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If you ask an American student
how many people died in Vietnam

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we will tell you fifty eight
thousand because they have dismissed

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the two three maybe four million Vietnamese who were killed by the
United States and its allies in that war so this is a on going issue.

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Mr. Powell… Colin Powell, General Colin
Powell I think was quoted for having said

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he’s not interested in civilian casualties
in Afghanistan it’s not his concern

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and that’s the attitude I think with Iraq whether it’s
five thousand or ten thousand it’s really not an issue.

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Well I think Americans like most people are mostly concerned about
their own countrymen I don’t know how many Iraqi civilians were killed

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but I can assure you that the number is
the absolute minimal that it’s possible

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uh… in modern warfare one of the stunning
things about the quick coalition victory

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was how little damage was
done to Iraqi infrastructure

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and how low Iraqi casualties were and I think…
That’s quiet high, if it’s ten thousand civilians.

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Well, I think it’s quite low if you look at the
size of the military operation it was undertaken.

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It’s practically an inevitability
in war that there are going to be

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uh… innocent people who get hurt

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no matter how much care a professional
military a properly behaved military

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uh… puts into avoiding damage

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to noncombatants and to uh…
civilian infrastructure.

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It’s a fight that sounds fine
sitting here in Washington

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but in Iraq and in Afghanistan
which is my most recent experience

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that’s not how it looks at all. May I
interrupt for a moment I apologize sir

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would you stop Feith for one moment?
Thank you very much… Excuse me.

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I am doing this purposefully sir.
Have you stopped it?

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Are you serious? I was not under the impression
sir that… Mr Feith’s minder, an army colonel

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or suddenly stopped the interview (inaudible)
perused the question of civilian deaths.

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I agree… Over at the State Department

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under Secretary John Bolton concluded his interview
with his own insight in to my line of questions.

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One of our major objectives today is to put the
government of Iraq back in the hands of Iraqi people

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so that they can enjoy the benefits
of their country’s resources

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and so that American soldiers
can come home soon as possible.

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Okay, appreciate it. So
you Labor Party member?

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Well, Labor party they are the conservatives
and… You… you are a Communist Party member?

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The American media played a vital role
in the invasion and the deception

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instead of challenging the propaganda
it accrued and amplified it.

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Well, I… I believe if the media
had been more aggressive

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umm… and more tenacious towards getting the
truth, there is a very… very good chance

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we would not have gone to war in Iraq. It’s pretty clear
to me but there is a fear and paranoia by journalists

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who realize they can’t always
report everything they know

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and that their editors will not their…
their job in the middle of the Iraq war

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it was not to show some
of the foibles and the

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uh… the seat of the White House that was
not your job your job was to be embedded

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uh… which is a wonderful… wonderful
word which is obviously a metaphor

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for what’s happened with the American
media covering wars going back decades

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ever since Vietnam. If you study every
conflict sensual see how the Pentagon

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and the political types have
outmaneuvered the media

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and the media has allowed it to happen. They show up
they do what they’re told and they tell the story

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that certain people want them to tell and
that’s what we call quote unquote news.

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I would go on television
in the United States

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and Fox News and the C.S. A C N B C
and the like and I would talk about

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the importance of applying
the Geneva Conventions

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and how in fact the Geneva Conventions
protect everybody depict American soldiers

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just like they protect you know they protect the
good guys just like they protect the bad guys

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and I’m treated like you know like a traitor… like
it… like… like you know like I’m committing treason.

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We have a perpetual war which gives
the incumbent sitting president

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over there in the Oval Office a ten fifteen
point bounce on all public opinion

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he is a wartime president even
though actually we’re not at war.

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Uh… There’s something really weird the
truth fact is fiction… fiction is fact

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war is peace… peace is war
what the hell’s going on here.

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I mean Mr. Bush is very cleverly
manipulated the fear the anxiety

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that nine eleven sprang upon the people of
New York and ultimately the entire country

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and every time he wants to jack
up his ratings he simply stirs up

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the fear part by upgrading the level of impending
danger without any specifics of course

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I think it’s just it’s a very ugly game
that’s being played on the Americans.

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There’s something so similar between
our administration and Al Qaida.

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In it’s certainty that God is on its side

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that is laughable.

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And that the American people

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should fall for this line hurts
me more than I can tell you.

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Norman Mailer writes the other
day that he believes that

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America had entered a pretty fascist state.

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What’s your view of that?

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Well, in a way and I’m not saying this to be cynical but I hope he’s
right because there are others as saying we are already in a fascist

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sort of mode if you say
something often enough,

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the people begin to believe it

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and that strategy has been applied
with unfortunately great success

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by this administration weapons of
mass destruction, Al Qaida Iraq ties,

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other evidence being (inaudible)to
justify an unprovoked war

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and so yeah I think without
all the worry about fascism.

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I think the rest of us should
be extremely concerned

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we’ve seen a total disregard for the
United Nations United Nations charter

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and its fundamental concepts we’ve
seen rejection of international law.

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And the respect for sovereignty
of other countries

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we’ve seen a preemptive strike against a
sovereign state which is outrageous in concept

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and dangerous in consequence and
something we should all worry about

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and every country that now is threatened
by Mr. Bush which is his habit

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whether it’s Iran or North Korea or Syria
or Libya or others it’s an outrage

00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:19.999
that we should stand by and allow these countries
to be threatened by a man so dangerous

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that he’s willing to sacrifice American
lives and worse the lives of others

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whether they are Iraqis or Afghanis possibly
Syrians others in some mad aggression.

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Aggression was at the core of a judgment

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of the Nuremberg Trial of a German
leadership following World War II.

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The judge has decided that unprovoked aggression
was the supreme international war crime

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which contained all the
evils of other war crimes.

00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:54.999
[sil.]

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Blair and Bush of families to justifying
(inaudible) against Afghanistan and against Iraq

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in terms of particular circumstances
all the violation of particular

00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:09.999
umm… requirements uh… but it seems
to me that… that these wars

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umm… are indeed acts of aggression

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as defined at Nuremberg

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and in previous agreements
and that in a sense

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both Bush and Blair are guilty
and could stand (inaudible)

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accused of waging aggressive war.

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The United Nations was founded so that we
would never forget the crimes of great power

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how we know in danger of
forgetting do we forget the lies

00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:49.999
that justified the conquest of Iraq and disguised
America’s plans to dominate all the world

00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:54.999
do we forget that the British government
has announced for the first time

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that it’s prepared to launch an attack with
nuclear weapons echoing yet again George Bush

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and do we accept the distortion
of intellect and morality

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that entity’s Noble words like democracy
and liberation of their true meaning

00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:14.999
that says it’s wrong for terrorist
to kill innocent people

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but right for governments to commit
the same crimes in our name.

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The answer is that we need
not accept any of this

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if we recognize that there are now two
superpowers one is the regime in Washington

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the other is public opinion now stirring all
over the world perhaps as never before.

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Make no mistake it’s an epic struggle

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the alternative is not just the
conquest of faraway countries

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it’s the conquest of us of our minds,
our humanity and our self-respect

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if we remain silent victory
over us is assured.