Home of the Brave
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Short-Listed for Best Documentary Feature, Academy Awards®, HOME OF THE BRAVE is about the only white woman murdered in the civil rights movement and why we hear so little about her. Told through the eyes of her children, the film follows the on-going struggle of an American family to survive the consequences of their mother's heroism and the mystery behind her killing.
Viola Liuzzo was a 39-year-old Detroit teamster's wife and mother of five, who joined thousands of people converging in Selma, Alabama for the march on Montgomery, led by Martin Luther King in 1965. But shortly after the historic Voting Rights March had ended, she was shot in the head and killed by a car full of Klansmen, while driving on a deserted highway.
Liuzzo's death came at a pivotal moment in the civil rights movement, when President Johnson had been fighting an uphill battle to push the Voting Rights Act through Congress. Her murder is attributed by historians of the era as providing the final piece of leverage that won Johnson approval of the Act in Congress, which forever changed our political landscape.
Why do we not know the story of Viola Luizzo, while nearly everyone has heard of Goodman, Schwerner and Cheney -- the three rights workers killed the year before in Mississippi? The reasons are complex, and won't be found in history books. Immediately following her murder, Liuzzo became the target of a smear campaign, mounted by J. Edgar Hoover and the FBI, as a means of diverting attention from the fact that a key FBI informant was in the car with Liuzzo's killers. This discrediting of her name -- mostly based on her gender and wholly unfounded -- succeeded in erasing Viola Liuzzo from our cultural memory. After delving through thousands of pages of government documents and filming interviews with leaders in the fields of politics, history and forensics psychology, the filmmakers shed a new light on this complicated, buried story.
Parallel to the Civil Rights struggle for which Viola lost her life is the present-day journey of her five children. Mary, the middle daughter, decides to retrace her mother's road trip from Detroit to Selma with the filmmakers. In the mid-60s she was an angry kid in the midst of a personal rebellion with her mother. The trauma of her sudden death caused her to bury any memories of her mother. Instead, she found herself reliving only the details of her gruesome death and its tumultuous aftermath. Now as an adult, she's ready to bring her back into consciousness. What she finds in Selma is both surprising and profoundly healing.
Her brothers Tony and Tommy, who as boys felt the weight of it all on their shoulders, were eventually hit the hardest. Theirs is a path routed in turmoil, resulting largely from repeated failed attempts to vindicate their mother and seek justice their family. Their lives have been torn apart by what they see as a betrayal of their government, and after decades of fighting, they've each resigned themselves to their own form of refuge, which disconnects them from their sisters and the rest of the world.
Home of the Brave links the personal and the political, the past and present and has a disturbing resonance to our world today.
'The film is interesting in its examination of the terrible personal toll the murder took as well as the great societal changes that the Selma March spurred. It is a disturbing investigation into the misuse of power and its lasting detrimental effects. For high school classes studying civil rights, political science, government, and history.' Mike Brown, Bowie High School for School Library Journal
'Di Florio has seamlessly woven together the strands of past tragedy and contemporary ramifications into a film that is stingingly personal and universal at the same time...required viewing by all citizens if we hope not to repeat this awful chapter.' Hollywood Reporter
'There is nothing simple about this moving, historically significant, riveting film... A movie of twists and turns that continually surprises and provokes...it should be seen by as many Americans as possible.' Fox News
'Haunting... Home of the Brave does a meticulous job of summarizing these notorious events, but it is the stories of Liuzzo's five children that give it fresh emotional power.' NY Daily News
'Amazing footage from the glory period of the civil rights movement... Fascinating.' Christian Science Monitor
'The empty rhetoric about 'the price of freedom' that dominated so much post-9/11 posturing by politicians and opportunistic public figures snaps firmly into focus in light of this searing documentary's revelations about Viola Liuzzo...Even more than a crucial piece of remedial historiography, the film is also an unsettling exploration of the impact violence and shameful injustice continue to have on a family nearly 40 years after the fact.' TV Guide's Movie Guide
'***** Home of the Brave is one of the most important films of the year...The civil rights struggle presented in the film provides a timeless reminder that no country can honestly call itself a democracy if any segment of its population is denied full access to basic liberties... a powerful film worthy of a truly extraordinary American.' Phil Hall, Film Threat
'Poignant... freshly outraging...' The New York Times
'A serenely powerful, handcrafted film that navigates into a place Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. once called 'the tangled discords of our nation'.' Daily Variety
'Searing... not to be missed...' The Cleveland Plain Dealer
'Home Of The Brave stands out as both relevant and moving.' The Onion
'Highly recommended. The still-unanswered questions about Viola Liuzzo's murder, the surprising outcomes of the Liuzzo brothers' stories, and the emotional wallop of Mary's visit to Alabama make this an engrossing and moving viewing experience.' Brian Falato, Educational Media Reviews Online
'Home of the Brave...strives to restore the credit due to [Liuzzo] for her role in history and her personal sacrifice. Highly Recommended, especially for public, college, and high school library collections.' The Midwest Book Review
Citation
Main credits
Di Florio, Paola (film director)
Di Florio, Paola (film producer)
Di Florio, Paola (screenwriter)
Dickenson, Nancy (film producer)
Channing, Stockard (narrator)
Other credits
Editor, Thomas G. Miller; cinematographer, Joan Churchill; original score, Karen Childs, David Powell; co-producers, Alice Rubin, Lorraine Gallard; music supervisor, David Powell; sound supervisor, Glynna Grimala; researchers, Alex Kramer, Marc Lamberg, Michelle Fellner, Bonnie Dickenson.
Distributor subjects
African-American Studies; American Government and Politics; American Studies; Anthropology; Biography; Citizenship; Civil Rights; Conflict Resolution; Government; History; Human Rights; Humanities; Law; Political Science; Race and Racism; Social Justice; Social Psychology; Sociology; Women's StudiesKeywords
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Her name was Viola Liuzzo
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- a Teamsters wife and mother of five.
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She left her home in Detroit to volunteer
in a civil rights march in Alabama
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and was brutally murdered just
a week after she arrived.
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This is where it happened on
Route 80, Lowndesboro, Alabama.
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The shooting took place just over the
top of that hill up there last night.
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She was the only white woman killed
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in the struggle for civil rights,
and her death shocked America.
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Mrs. Liuzzo was shot in the head as she
drove her car in the Selma freedom march.
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With her in the front seat of that car
was a young co-worker, Leroy Moton.
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Viola and Leroy were shuttling marchers from Montgomery
back to Selma. There\'s a white female and a black male.
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I mean, that\'s a deadly combination.
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Her funeral was attended by
dignitaries and loved ones.
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Her death reveals that
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many white persons of goodwill who are so committed
to the cause of justice and human dignity
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that they are willing to pay the supreme
price as a result of their standing up.
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But the recognition
vanished all too quickly.
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Unlike other martyrs of her time, her
legacy would not be that of a hero.
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And it\'s not by chance that today,
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hardly anyone even knows her name.
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You have to ask yourself if the
nation\'s leading law enforcement agency
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could by accident bungle so
much of a murder investigation.
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I remember Dr. King hugged me and uh…
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told me one day I would understand.
I didn\'t realize how…
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how true those words would
be if ten years ago,
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umm… because what I do understand now is how… how our government
can care so little for its citizens, for their own political gain.
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And I\'m sure Dr. King knew it more
than anything, what they did to him.
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Certain things hold in your mind.
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[sil.]
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And it just got crazier from there.
Shortly after her killing,
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well over a thousand pages of FBI
reports were written up about her -
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unusual for the victim of a crime.
Her file was three times larger
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than that of the Ku Klux Klan at the
height of the Civil Rights Movement.
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Her children would spend the rest
of their lives trying to understand
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why she was so scrutinized.
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Boy! Come here!
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Come here! Sit! Stay!
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Go get it! We were always out
in the country with my mother.
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She\'s told me a lot about
life and what to expect.
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It seemed like she was preparing
us for something else. Stay!
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The FBI knew my father and my family
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prior to my mother\'s murder
and umm… that\'s what brings
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a lot of other speculations into this.
And umm… Absolutely.
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You have to understand that my dad was very close friends
with Jimmy Hoffa. I remember going to the union hall.
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He used to put me up on a little stool in front of a
typewriter and uh… give me some paper and he was a great guy.
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And, uh… J. Edgar Hoover
said about my father,
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he was a known Teamster
strong-arm with mafia ties.
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I mean, Hoover as controlling everything right
from the night of the murder. Of the murder.
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There\'s a file on grandma that\'s really,
really long that tells everything
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that the FBI did or found out about
grandma at the time of the murder.
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And through these documents, we found
out J. Edgar Hoover had started
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a campaign to smear grandma\'s character,
because they didn\'t consider our family
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the type that should be held up as American icons,
because your grandpa was in the Teamsters and things.
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Now, this is the part that
starts about her murder.
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It says, \"A 1963 automobile coupe
with 1965 Michigan license number
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is registered to Anthony J. Luizzo –
19735 Marlowe, Detroit, Michigan.
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Now, what\'s after that? Huh, blank!
Black lines!
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And this the very first page of the
document. What are they already hiding?
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After my mom died, my dad, you know, no offence uh…
to him, he did, I guess, the best that he could
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for what he knew. Mr. Luizzo
had to hire armed bodyguards
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to uh… stay at the home. They had uh…
bullets shot through their windows and
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crosses burned in their yard. People
threw garbage at the house and uh…
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Sally came home crying one day because in the neighborhood
were throwing stones and saying her mother was
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a \"nigger lover\" and a whore. I didn\'t
understand for why she was so hated
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for something that she gave so much for and
did it for the betterment of another person
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- many, many people and she was murdered.
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I understand it today, I
think more, I think that uh…
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hatred breeds hatred. When you have something
like… like this happen to, you know,
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a family member and you\'re personally involved,
it never leaves you. I mean, this has been
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ongoing for us for 26 years, almost.
And I\'ve talked to other people
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that have had things happen to family members,
uh… umm… they have unanswered questions
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and uh… they live with it every day too.
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It took us a while, my
sisters and brothers and I
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to realize that we have questions that…
things we didn\'t know about my mom.
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I have just started wanting
to feel closeness to her
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and wanting to remember who she was before
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she was the person killed in Alabama.
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And I wanna be able to go to Selma and
talk to some of those people who spent
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those last days of my mother\'s life
with her and get some of those answers,
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talk to those people before they die,
before they\'re gone too. Guess where I am?
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Where? I\'m in Detroit, on my
way to see you. Oh, you are?
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Oh, come on! I will… I\'m coming.
I\'m on my way.
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Sarah was my mom\'s best friend since
before I was born. Is that it?
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Did I just miss it? No. That couldn\'t
be it. Yeah. It couldn\'t be that to us.
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She was like a second mother
to us and took care of us
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for as long as I can remember. She
recently had a stroke and I\'d like to
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have that last talk with her that I
never had with my mom. Let me in?
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(inaudible).
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You (inaudible). Oh, all the time. All
the time. Let me in your dream. Huh?
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Honey! Please! I will. You know it. You\'ve
always been in my dream. Hi! Hello, mother dear!
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You put your… put your lipstick on!
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Uh… I can\'t… I can\'t never get in touch
with you. Oh, I know, I know! What?
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You got all fixed up, didn\'t you? No. Let me
turn off your TV here. Where do I turn off?
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This is… That\'s you. Ah, yeah.
You still got that baby look.
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When her mother died,
everybody else was crying.
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Mayor would take her. It\'s so much funny
to say, just stop him from crying.
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Is this your mother? Mm-hmm. Brushing my hair. She
looks like a girl… her mother on this picture.
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Uh-huh, that was just before… Uh-huh. That\'s
too long before. Before she got killed.
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Is that what she looked like when you were…? Uh-huh. Yeah,
she looked like this. She was just like a sister to me.
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We just clicked, you know,
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\'coz I knew her better than anybody.
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Val said to me before she left
to promise her something,
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if anything happened, would I
take care of her kids for her?
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And I told her, I would.
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She didn\'t believe segregation. She
believed all men was created equal.
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They called her, \"nigger lover.\"
I said, \"Val, people don\'t see
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like you see.\" She was out
of step with the norm,
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totally out of step with the norm. So,
it\'s hard for people to accept it.
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How Viola viewed the world
had in part to do with
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growing up poor in the segregated South.
Her father was a coal miner
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and her mother, a school teacher. According
to her younger sister Rose Mary,
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Viola was breaking the mold from day one.
She was always a problem.
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You know, she\'d speak her
mind and be boisterous.
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She was so smart.
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I can remember her not judging people.
She was just, you know, my idol.
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At 16, Viola was restless and was ready to
leave home. She had a very brief marriage
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to a young boy from Chattanooga
but soon moved up North and met
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Penny\'s and Mary\'s father, George Argyris.
George was like 25 years older her.
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I think, she was 17 or 18 then.
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But after seven years, the marriage to George
fell apart and, a year-and-a-half later,
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Viola married Jim Liuzzo - a Teamsters
official who adopted Mary and Penny.
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She gave birth to Tommy, Tony and Sally.
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With five kids, Viola needed help
and that\'s when Sarah stepped in.
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That your mama was once a baby like you.
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Mm-hmm. So go to sleep my little bugaroo.
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Uh…uh…uh… Oh yeah, yeah.
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All right, Reg. Take care of Sarah.
I love you Sash.
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I\'ll call you from Selma.
Uh… Okay, I\'ll see you.
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[music]
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By 1965, our nation was
splitting at its seams.
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No sooner had we mourned the assassination of President
Kennedy, then we were conducting air raids in Vietnam,
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then the heat of the civil
unrest in the South.
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It is difficult, all these
years afterward to understand
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and appreciate the atmosphere of fear
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that reigned throughout the South when the
Civil Rights Movement was in full flowering.
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I reported in the South and
I reported in Vietnam,
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and I was twice as scared covering
the South as I was covering Vietnam.
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We were living in terrible times.
We were concentrating
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on the right to breathe, to be a
human being, a person of dignity.
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We learned later that one of
the keys to correcting that
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was the ballot, to franchise our people
so that they could vote in 1958,
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in this county. Only 150 blacks
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were registered to vote out of a pool
of 30,000. And each one of these blacks
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had to be vouched for by a white person.
If some white voter didn\'t say,
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\"Old Ned was all right! Old
Ned didn\'t get registered.\"
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And I remember very, very well when Martin Luther King
Jr. returned from receiving the Noble Peace Prize
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in December 1964, he had a meeting at
the White House with President Johnson,
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and said, \"Mr. President, we
need a strong Voter Rights Act.\"
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And President Johnson said to Dr. King in so many words, \"We don\'t
have the votes in the Congress to get a Voters Rights Act passed.\"
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At this time in our history, the
women\'s movement hadn\'t yet hit.
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Drop a packet of Lestare
into your washing machine.
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Bleach in a packet that\'s Lestare
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makes clothes brighter than you have ever seen.
So safe for every fabric, ideal for washing wear.
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No mess, no guess with Lestare.
The \'50s were…
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had really been the peak or
the depth of conservatism
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in terms of gender roles, and
that wasn\'t really finished.
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I mean, you know, one decade bleeds into the next.
So, the \'50s really lasted until the mid-60s
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and maybe late \'60s. At 39,
Viola was just beginning
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to test the water, surging to define herself
as a woman outside her role in the family.
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Between the birth of my brother
Tony and the birth of Sally,
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mom had a couple of pregnancies.
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One pregnancy resulted in a little boy
that lived a few hours and then died.
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He was baptized. The second
one was a stillborn baby.
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It was actually born in the car in the way to
the hospital. According to Catholic doctrine,
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the stillborn baby, an unbaptized child
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would never go to heaven. And my mom
couldn\'t accept that. And she said,
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\"If I, as a human being, could
not do that to a child,
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how could an all-loving
God do that to a child?\"
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And that\'s when she left
the Catholic doctrine
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and began exploring everything.
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These losses took a toll on Viola. She suffered
a nervous breakdown and was hospitalized
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for two weeks.
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It was from a place of
despair that a new Viola
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began to emerge. She joined the Unitarian
Church and went back to school
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at Wayne State in downtown
Detroit to become a nurse.
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She got involved in student groups,
joined the NAACP and began learning about
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the growing Civil Rights Movement in the
South. Whether it was conscious or not,
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women identified with
outsiders, with outer groups,
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and were inspired by the idea that somebody could defy
what was supposed to be a birth-based inferiority
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and stand up against it.
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On March 7th, 1965, Viola witnessed
an incident on television
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that would drive her to take action.
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You are ordered to disperse.
Go home or go to your church.
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[sil.]
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It was the lowest day of my life.
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I didn\'t believe that
America could be saved.
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I didn\'t think white
people were worth saving.
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What I didn\'t know was that
scores and scores of people
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around the country had sat and
watched all of that on television
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and they didn\'t like what they saw.
This was not their America.
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This kind of violence is…
is uh… is always tragic.
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We don\'t want people being hurt and getting hurt and
I think that feeling is shared by most Americans.
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Martin sent out a call, if
you believe in freedom,
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if you believe in justice, come
to Selma, come stand with us.
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You know, it\'s one thing to send a check from
New York, it\'s another thing to come to Selma
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and join hands with black folk and say, \"I\'m ready
to go to jail, I\'m ready to die,\" whatever.
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Viola was one of thousands of people who
responded to Martin Luther King\'s plea.
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She\'d just sat two weeks prior
on Bloody Sunday and crying,
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because they were just beating
the demonstrators… On horseback.
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…on horseback and seeking dogs on them. She knew what… what she
was going down and do there. It wasn\'t a pleasant situation.
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It wasn\'t a vacation. She knew that she could
be beaten, whatever, arrested, shot, killed.
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When I was younger, I was mad
at her, because I had told her
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she was gonna die. I knew she was coming back
and she wouldn\'t let me go in her place.
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But now I realize she
knew she had to do this.
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I was told that she was gonna go
there because they needed somebody
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with nursing skills to help
out in the driving and to use
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that car as ambulance. She asked Jim if
she could go. Or no, maybe she told Jim
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she was going, you know. He
knew he couldn\'t say no to her.
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They had a deep love for each other, kind
of like, I love Lucy and Virginia Woolf
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put together, you know. Yeah. We had this
big portrait of my mom in the living room.
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And he would say, \"Wheel me in the
living room in front of her picture.\"
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And he would sit there and cry. For hours.
He didn\'t really share her beliefs.
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But I think he loved her so
much that he let her do things
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that she really believed in or… or
knew he was helpless to stop her.
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In spite of the responsibility for five kids
and in spite of not living in the South,
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not having too much support, not
being black, in spite of everything,
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she empathized. And empathy is the
most revolutionary emotion probably.
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[music]
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[music]
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Coming to the museum.
Okay, we\'re through! Hi!
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Hi! This is my sister Linda. I\'m Mrs.
Linda. Nice to meet you!
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You are one of the first people
I thought about when we heard
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about your mother got passed, because
we were… Oh! Our mother died
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when we were small. Oh! And
I was the… I\'m the oldest.
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And that… the first I thought about was
the children. How that feels? Yeah, yeah.
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We wanted to highlight the foot soldiers of the movement. Mm-hmm. You
know how you see a picture of Dr. King leading this great march…
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Mm-hmm. …thousands of people are there, you\'d
recognize Dr. King and maybe one or two of them.
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Mm-hmm. Who are the rest of those people? Right!
Some were us. Right! Some were like your mother.
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And we didn\'t know their names. So
in order to find out who they were,
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we… I remembered who walked the last leg of
the march from Selma to Montgomery with me.
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Mm-hmm. And that\'s how this wall began. And
these… these little cards say things like,
00:22:50.000 --> 00:22:54.999
\"I marched from Selma to Montgomery.\" Uh…. They say
things like, \"I was beaten on the Edmund Pettus Bridge.\"
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And it\'s probably the only typewritten card, up
here. This is the Mayor. That was the Mayor in \'65.
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[music]
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This is where she stayed? And you lived right
on the other side. Oh, talking about the rock!
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Yeah, yeah. Where the…
these awful of marchers…
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Yeah! This was the center of activity. You
know, Brown Chapel is right there. All right!
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Everybody who were out here
were participants. Really!
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When I first saw white women coming here
00:24:10.000 --> 00:24:14.999
to engage in these demonstrations,
00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:19.999
I was absolutely amazed
at the impact it had.
00:24:20.000 --> 00:24:24.999
James Karales would tell me daily that all
of these young girls have come down here
00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:29.999
simply to be with black men. They are out
there in these sleeping bags in front of
00:24:30.000 --> 00:24:34.999
the Brown Chapel Church. And you could see the hurt
in their eyes. It was driving them up the wall.
00:24:35.000 --> 00:24:39.999
I began from that to see
that white people could play
00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:44.999
a very strategic and an important
part in this movement.
00:24:45.000 --> 00:24:49.999
They could have an impact on
these people that no way a black
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could have on them. She was
always in our balance.
00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:59.999
And she would do everything here.
She would come and eat
00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:04.999
whatever we had - dry toast,
grits, whatever we had.
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She was just like… She was just black (inaudible).
She didn\'t have to come down here and lose her life.
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But she wanted to hear the black people.
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That was a bad day for me,
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because I just talked to her before she
went to Montgomery. And she told me
00:25:25.000 --> 00:25:29.999
everything was going to be all right,
things wouldn\'t always be as bad for us.
00:25:30.000 --> 00:25:34.999
She loved everybody. She\'d done a lot. Don\'t
let nobody say your mother didn\'t do anything.
00:25:35.000 --> 00:25:39.999
And she my dear(ph) hero. I
love her and I tell my children
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about her just like I talk to my grandchildren about
Rosa Parks and Dr. King and, you know, stuff like that.
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[music]
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We must work to make
00:25:55.000 --> 00:25:59.999
the Declaration of Independence
real in our everyday lives.
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If we will do this, we
will be able — right here
00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:09.999
in Alabama, right here in the
Deep South — to transform
00:26:10.000 --> 00:26:14.999
the jangling discords of our nation to
a beautiful symphony of brotherhood.
00:26:15.000 --> 00:26:19.999
[music]
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The voting rights march was historic.
The National Guard
00:26:25.000 --> 00:26:29.999
and State Troopers were ordered by a
federal judge to protect the marchers
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in the four-day 54-mile walk, from Selma
to the capitol steps in Montgomery.
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[music]
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On the last day of the march, Viola was
assigned to help out at a nursing station
00:26:45.000 --> 00:26:49.999
just outside Montgomery.
00:26:50.000 --> 00:26:54.999
That day she had a premonition. She told Father
Timothy Deasy, a priest she was working with,
00:26:55.000 --> 00:26:59.999
that someone would die that night.
Hours later,
00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:04.999
the organizers of the march got word that
there was a plot to kill Martin Luther King,
00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:13.000
but King was determined to push on.
This is the revolution
00:27:15.000 --> 00:27:19.999
that won\'t fire a shot.
We won\'t break a window.
00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:24.999
We won\'t even curse anybody.
00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:29.999
We only come with the power of our
souls and the presence of our bodies
00:27:30.000 --> 00:27:34.999
to love the hell out of
the state of Alabama.
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[music]
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We knew it was dangerous.
In fact, earlier that day
00:27:55.000 --> 00:27:59.999
after my… after my mother called,
I think it was about 6:00,
00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:04.999
umm… called and said it was over, it was
wonderful and she\'d be coming home.
00:28:05.000 --> 00:28:09.999
My dad said her to be careful. My brother and I started marching around
the house singing, you know, \"we shall overcome\", kind of joking around.
00:28:10.000 --> 00:28:14.999
And my dad got very upset
with us and told us to stop,
00:28:15.000 --> 00:28:19.999
because he… he explained that
it was still very dangerous.
00:28:20.000 --> 00:28:24.999
I know it was premonition of his.
But two hours later she was dead.
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[music]
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All I heard was my dad
screaming, screaming,
00:28:50.000 --> 00:28:54.999
uh… \"Mummy is dead! Mummy is dead!\"
00:28:55.000 --> 00:28:59.999
[music]
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And that phone rang at midnight. Nobody
had to tell me. I knew what that was.
00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:09.999
And I got up and went out in the living
room and everybody was already awake
00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:14.999
and they were all on the couch, crying.
My dad was always really, really strong,
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:19.999
kind of a macho man, and
I never saw him sobbing.
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:24.999
You know, five children to lose a mother,
00:29:25.000 --> 00:29:29.999
little ones, how can you say (inaudible).
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:34.999
Right after we found out, reporters and…
00:29:35.000 --> 00:29:39.999
just started filling the living room. You
think you would have wanted this way?
00:29:40.000 --> 00:29:44.999
Knowing my wife, yes. Knowing my wife, yes.
00:29:45.000 --> 00:29:49.999
What do you think about that, Penny?
That\'s the way my mother was.
00:29:50.000 --> 00:29:54.999
Tommy? Yeah, she wanted equal rights for
everybody, no matter what the cost was, yes.
00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:59.999
Yeah.
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[music]
00:30:05.000 --> 00:30:09.999
Seeing my mother lie
down for the first time,
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:14.999
it was just devastating.
00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:19.999
You know I knew it was real, but it still
wasn\'t quite real until I turned that corner.
00:30:20.000 --> 00:30:28.000
[music]
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Arrests were made a few minutes ago
00:30:40.000 --> 00:30:44.999
of four Ku Klux Klan members in
Birmingham, Alabama. Mr. J. Edgar Hoover,
00:30:45.000 --> 00:30:49.999
our honored public servant who is
standing here by me, has advised that
00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:54.999
the identities of the men charged with
this heinous crime are as follows:
00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:59.999
Eugene Thomas, William Orville Eaton,
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:04.999
Collie Leroy Wilkins, Jr., and
00:31:05.000 --> 00:31:09.999
Gary Thomas Rowe of Alabama. So
if Klansmen hear my voice today,
00:31:10.000 --> 00:31:14.999
let it be both an appeal
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:19.999
and a warning to get out
of the Ku Klux Klan now
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:24.999
and return to a decent society
before it is too late.
00:31:25.000 --> 00:31:29.999
[music]
00:31:30.000 --> 00:31:34.999
President Johnson exerted a lot of pressure on
the FBI to get this crime solved very quickly,
00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:39.999
and was shocked when J. Edgar Hoover
telephoned him the following morning
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:44.999
to report they had identified the men
in the car, and Johnson just found this
00:31:45.000 --> 00:31:49.999
absolutely amazing. In my view, I think it\'s the
only time that a President of the United States
00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:54.999
has ever been so intimately
involved with a local crime.
00:31:55.000 --> 00:31:59.999
Surprisingly, the murder was
solved in a matter of hours,
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:04.999
because the bureau had an eyewitness.
An FBI informer
00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:09.999
had been planted in the Klan car and was
present at the time of the killing.
00:32:10.000 --> 00:32:14.999
But immediately after her death, something
disquieting began to take shape.
00:32:15.000 --> 00:32:19.999
Within days of my mother being murdered,
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:24.999
we were sent a magazine in the
mail, it\'s a Klan magazine.
00:32:25.000 --> 00:32:29.999
And you wouldn\'t believe
what was in that magazine
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:34.999
- pictures and pictures of my mother\'s
body. And the entire magazine
00:32:35.000 --> 00:32:39.999
was devoted to making it look like the
march was just a big drunken orgy
00:32:40.000 --> 00:32:44.999
and that all anybody went
down there for was sex
00:32:45.000 --> 00:32:49.999
and booze and drugs.
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:54.999
I remember when some of that stuff came in the house, and I
think it was you and me were sitting in the bedroom. Yeah.
00:32:55.000 --> 00:32:59.999
And we… the thought goes through
your mind: is this true?
00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:04.999
Uh-huh. Yeah. Because all of a sudden
your mother is becoming this thing
00:33:05.000 --> 00:33:09.999
that\'s being created that
you\'ve never seen before.
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:14.999
I used to go to the cemetery with her sometimes
and she said, \"Sally, don\'t be afraid.
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:19.999
These are just people\'s shells.\" She said, \"There\'s
nothing to fear here.\" You know, that she said,
00:33:20.000 --> 00:33:24.999
\"It\'s the living people that you have to
be afraid of, it\'s not the dead.\" Uh-huh.
00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:29.999
The Klansmen were tried
for murder in Alabama
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:34.999
and the FBI\'s key witness,
Gary Thomas Rowe,
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:39.999
was there to testify. But all
three of the men were acquitted,
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:44.999
including the alleged triggerman,
Collie Leroy Wilkins.
00:33:45.000 --> 00:33:49.999
The man who was accused of murdering Mrs.
Liuzzo went to trial
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:54.999
a few days ago. What happened?
He marched with the Klan
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:59.999
and honest on Sunday.
They gave him a big hand.
00:34:00.000 --> 00:34:04.999
He got a standing ovation.
Collie Leroy Wilkins!
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:09.999
Now, let\'s give him a cheer. As
if to state the more niggers
00:34:10.000 --> 00:34:14.999
and the more nigger-loving
white people you murder,
00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:19.999
the more popular you are in the
state of Alabama. (inaudible).
00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:24.999
I really covered that trial really, really
good. I would have liked to have seen.
00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:29.999
I\'ve never seen the jurors or… It was… It was… I will tell you why. I\'d
like to see people\'s faces and… It was appalling and it was horrible
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:34.999
what Matt Murphy had to
say about your mother.
00:34:35.000 --> 00:34:39.999
She should have known better. She\'s married, got kids,
shouldn\'t been down in Alabama. She got what she deserved.
00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:44.999
Uh-huh. She shouldn\'t been out screwing
niggers. The matter of fact he says Leroy
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:49.999
was one of the guys who claims – big, tall, white kid. And
Matt Murphy gets them up for all these people and he says,
00:34:50.000 --> 00:34:54.999
\"Leroy, didn\'t all your boys have
sex with her? Isn\'t that, sir?\"
00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:59.999
Well, how come we found a core of sperm in her body?
They were insinuated that he had sex with her.
00:35:00.000 --> 00:35:04.999
And he was so afraid that he just put his head
down and said like, \"No, sir! No, sir!\" You know.
00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:09.999
The jury was just like these people,
right here, except there was no women.
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:14.999
It was just white guys from
this tiny little community
00:35:15.000 --> 00:35:19.999
and it was no way they were
gonna put the Klan in jail.
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:24.999
He knew he would get off. (inaudible)
in the courtroom smoking cigarettes
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:29.999
and feet topped upon the benches
and just… Signing autographs.
00:35:30.000 --> 00:35:34.999
Signing autographs, yes. You know, as far
as the trials go, we didn\'t want to see him
00:35:35.000 --> 00:35:39.999
get convicted so much for revenge. It helps
a little, but it\'s more of the idea that
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:44.999
it won\'t happen to somebody else if they have
something to hold over their heads and stop them,
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:49.999
you know, make them think and say, well,
a few years in prison might, you know,
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:54.999
hold their hands away from the trigger and save somebody
else\'s life, because revenge isn\'t gonna do us any good now.
00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:59.999
Yet some measure of justice
00:36:00.000 --> 00:36:04.999
would be served, because a federal
judge had ordered the state of Alabama
00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:09.999
to protect the marchers from Selma to Montgomery. A
federal court was now able to prosecute the Klansmen,
00:36:10.000 --> 00:36:14.999
not for murder, but for violating
Viola Liuzzo\'s civil rights.
00:36:15.000 --> 00:36:23.000
[music]
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:29.999
Federal conviction is the
first conviction of Klansmen
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:34.999
in the modern civil rights movement.
Southern white jurors
00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:39.999
are now willing to entertain
conviction of Ku Klux Klansmen.
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:44.999
What a major step ahead that is
00:36:45.000 --> 00:36:49.999
from where we were in \'65.
And we know that it started
00:36:50.000 --> 00:36:55.000
with the federal conviction of the
people that killed Viola Liuzzo.
00:37:00.000 --> 00:37:08.000
[music]
00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:19.999
By the mid-70s, Hoover
had died after serving
00:37:20.000 --> 00:37:24.999
48 years in office. Jim
Liuzzo had suffered a stroke
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:29.999
and was reaching the end of his life. The
children were scattered throughout the country,
00:37:30.000 --> 00:37:34.999
trying to move on with their lives.
00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:39.999
[music]
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:44.999
I shall resign the Presidency effective
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:49.999
at noon tomorrow.
00:37:50.000 --> 00:37:54.999
And that created an entirely
different climate in Washington.
00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:59.999
All bets were off and there was
a feeling in the Congress that
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:04.999
we better look into all this,
not just the FBI but the CIA.
00:38:05.000 --> 00:38:09.999
In 1975, my brother came to me with a little
article in the Detroit News, it said,
00:38:10.000 --> 00:38:14.999
\"Gary Thomas Rowe who was
the FBI\'s paid informant
00:38:15.000 --> 00:38:19.999
testified before the Senate.\" And did you tell the
FBI that you were participating in violent acts?
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:24.999
Before I participated in the acts.
Yes, I did.
00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:29.999
The instructions were that we couldn\'t stand on the sidewalk and look
around and people getting their brains beat in and be effective.
00:38:30.000 --> 00:38:34.999
So from that point on the FBI not only
unleashed you to become involved in violence,
00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:39.999
they encouraged you? I was told point-blank
to. It has to be more than coincidence
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:44.999
that Gary Thomas Rowe was present
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:49.999
at just about every significant
violent act of that period.
00:38:50.000 --> 00:38:54.999
We know that he was there at the beating of the
Freedom Riders. And he was very proud of his ability
00:38:55.000 --> 00:38:59.999
to beat other human beings. He was
also suspected of being involved
00:39:00.000 --> 00:39:04.999
in the bombing of the 16th Street
Baptist Church in Birmingham,
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:09.999
where four little girls were killed.
My brother came to me and said,
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:14.999
\"Do you think this guy had a lot
more to do with mom\'s murder?\"
00:39:15.000 --> 00:39:19.999
And I said, \"I don\'t know.\" That\'s… You know,
and we kind of went on a journey from there.
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:24.999
[music]
00:39:25.000 --> 00:39:29.999
Tommy and Tony hired a lawyer, and
through the Freedom of Information Act,
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:34.999
they accessed their mother\'s FBI file.
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:39.999
They discovered that J. Edgar Hoover
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:45.000
had personally and deliberately engineered
a smear campaign against their mother.
00:39:55.000 --> 00:39:59.999
And there was evidence that the FBI
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:04.999
had leaked parts of her file
to sway public opinion.
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:09.999
The insinuation
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:14.999
that running away from her children
- she was a bad, evil woman
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:19.999
- became somehow strangely bollixed up with
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:24.999
why she died and what she was doing there.
Hoover did a wonderful job.
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:29.999
I mean, he made her look like, uh… she
got into the tramp mobile and went down,
00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:34.999
picking up black men all over
Selma and Montgomery. They ran a…
00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:39.999
a vaginal smear on her. A
woman\'s been shot in the head,
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:44.999
why did they run a vaginal smear?
It was false that
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:49.999
she was sitting uh… so close to Leroy
that it looked like a necking party.
00:40:50.000 --> 00:40:54.999
It was false that she had
needle marks in her arm.
00:40:55.000 --> 00:40:59.999
But this what the director wrote
down and that\'s the signal
00:41:00.000 --> 00:41:04.999
that that writing as it disseminated
through the bureau gives and,
00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:09.999
you know, pretty soon everybody believes
it. I think they were purposely
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:14.999
leaked to discredit the victim.
00:41:15.000 --> 00:41:23.000
[music]
00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:29.999
Was Hoover trying to deflect attention
from the fact that the man his bureau
00:41:30.000 --> 00:41:34.999
had placed in the car with the Klansmen was a
criminal, who may himself have pulled the trigger
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:39.999
on Viola Liuzzo? I remember when
they leaked the assassination report
00:41:40.000 --> 00:41:44.999
on President Kennedy before I got it.
00:41:45.000 --> 00:41:49.999
I denied it. I said I…
00:41:50.000 --> 00:41:54.999
I said, \"Leak had to come from
you.\" I said, \"I haven\'t got it.\"
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:59.999
So there were leaks? Oh, yeah! That
happened high up? Yes. Do you think
00:42:00.000 --> 00:42:04.999
there is a chance of getting up further and
you\'ll sacrifice somebody down below to do that?
00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:13.000
[music]
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:49.999
I\'m sorry that I had to
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:54.999
put her away or burry
her or whatever I did.
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:59.999
I\'m sorry that I had to do that and I don\'t have to do
it anymore. And I know, I said this is a happy trip,
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:04.999
but when you\'ve… when you\'ve
locked away your feelings
00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:09.999
- and it\'s your good feelings, it\'s my love, it\'s my
mom\'s love for me, it\'s the things we did together,
00:43:10.000 --> 00:43:14.999
the things we shared - when you put
that away for so long, most of my life,
00:43:15.000 --> 00:43:19.999
then to be able to feel it and remember it,
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:24.999
I\'m remembering things that I haven\'t
00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:29.999
got myself remember since she died.
00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:38.000
[music]
00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:44.999
I\'ve loved this country
and I\'m sorry to say,
00:43:45.000 --> 00:43:49.999
I fear this government. Uh… I know
what they can do though. I\'ve seen it.
00:43:50.000 --> 00:43:54.999
I felt the sting of the scorpion.
00:43:55.000 --> 00:43:59.999
I\'m in the Michigan Militia. And you hear the
Michigan Militia as these white supremists,
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:04.999
supremists and Nazis and… You know what?
I don\'t know anybody like that.
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:09.999
These people that I know are the nicest,
god-fearing. They love their country
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:14.999
and they would die for you or for a black
person or for a Jewish person or anything.
00:44:15.000 --> 00:44:19.999
They\'re passing laws against our Second
Amendment. Sure. They wanna take my gun rights.
00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:24.999
I don\'t know if you notice, I just didn\'t have
it on, because you people were coming over.
00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:29.999
I always carry my sidearm. Do
you know how to use it, Sue?
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:34.999
Yes.
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:39.999
Yes, I do.
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:44.999
I can\'t allow our constitutional
rights to go down the drain
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:49.999
when my mother gave her life for it.
I\'ve looked at these
00:44:50.000 --> 00:44:54.999
autopsy photograph time
and time and time again.
00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:59.999
And I started noticing things that I hadn\'t noticed
before. That\'s a picture of my mother\'s arm
00:45:00.000 --> 00:45:04.999
and on the other arm there
is also the dark spots.
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:09.999
They didn\'t call them bruises, which is interesting. Had they
explained that in the autopsy? They didn\'t. They didn\'t.
00:45:10.000 --> 00:45:14.999
They said dark spots were present and left it
there. None of the blood evidence matches.
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:19.999
The blood is definitely not
consistent with driving,
00:45:20.000 --> 00:45:24.999
because it runs straight down. That was deposited there when
the car was stopped. I mean, if you ever driven down the road
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:29.999
and dumped a cup of coffee out going 10-15
miles an hour, shooo…, it goes back.
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:34.999
When you look at the trajectories of the bullets, they
clearly show those were coming in from a downward angle.
00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:39.999
The only way for her to get in downward
angle from the drive-by shooting
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:44.999
would be for them to get up and point their guns
down like that. And it\'s just not feasible.
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:49.999
The crime photos Tony
examined did raise questions
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:54.999
about the official story of a drive-by shooting,
which was the account given by the FBI
00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:59.999
after its murder investigation.
We brought these pictures
00:46:00.000 --> 00:46:04.999
along with documents from Viola\'s
FBI file and autopsy to be examined
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:09.999
by two forensic specialists – Dr.
Lowell, forensic pathologist
00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:14.999
and chief medical examiner of Ventura
County, California and Dr. Dragovic,
00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:19.999
forensics and neuropathologist and chief
medical examiner of Oakland County, Michigan.
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:24.999
The uh… spatter pattern and
the… the blood leaching pattern
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:29.999
on the door clearly indicates that
this car was not moving at the time.
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:34.999
There is also important finding
of blood spatter pattern
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:39.999
in the doorjamb and those could
have only been accomplished uh…
00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:44.999
with shooting occurring with the door
being open. He describes those marks
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:49.999
on the arm (inaudible) left off in a very
brief description. They do look like
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:54.999
marks received when someone\'s been held
tightly and struggling. You can see
00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:59.999
there is a rod going through the angle the
jaw in the left side, it looks like about
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:04.999
a 20 degree angle downward which would not be a
logical thing if someone\'s firing out of a car.
00:47:05.000 --> 00:47:09.999
It would be reasonable to conclude
that this downward trajectory
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:14.999
came from someone that was
standing outside of the car.
00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:19.999
[music]
00:47:20.000 --> 00:47:24.999
I have my doubt about the
fact that Leroy Moton
00:47:25.000 --> 00:47:29.999
uh… was actually in the car at
the time the shooting occurred.
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:34.999
He might have been forced out
upon the car being stopped.
00:47:35.000 --> 00:47:39.999
Now, the only person to answer
that question with accuracy
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:44.999
would be Mr. Moton himself. I don\'t know
what happened on that highway that night.
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:49.999
They shot in the car (inaudible).
00:47:50.000 --> 00:47:54.999
The car was moving at all times.
When she was shot,
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:59.999
the car went off the road entered an
embankment and out of the embankment
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:04.999
and into a fence. I was
terrified that night.
00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:09.999
I didn\'t know what was going on. Yeah. One
thing I knew was Mrs. Liuzzo wasn\'t moving.
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:14.999
[music]
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:19.999
But everybody said I pretended to
be dead, I was out. I passed out.
00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:24.999
What happened during that 20 minutes, I
was out, I don\'t know what happened,
00:48:25.000 --> 00:48:29.999
don\'t know. But I heard that
they came back to the car.
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:34.999
She could have been alive then.
I don\'t know.
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:39.999
Maybe (inaudible). Yeah.
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:44.999
I haven\'t seen anyone (inaudible) today.
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:49.999
You know I ask to myself, well: where
does Leroy Moton fit into this?
00:48:50.000 --> 00:48:54.999
And I think that he was in the car at some point. I\'m
sure of it, because people saw him. I don\'t think
00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:59.999
he was in there during the shots. When you start put… So… So, you think he
was lying? Yeah, yeah, I definitely think he was lying. Why would he lie?
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:04.999
I think he was terrorized. I think they needed
a official witness. Who was terrorizing him?
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:09.999
I think the FBI. I don\'t see how
they could have got their story
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:14.999
to go the way they did without him.
Richmond Flowers said he was never able to
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:19.999
interview Leroy Moton without
two FBI agents present.
00:49:20.000 --> 00:49:24.999
They stood right next to him, one on either side of
him. So he was never able to talk to him in privately.
00:49:25.000 --> 00:49:29.999
And… He was never able to talk to Gary
Thomas Rowe ever. Right! Now this is
00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:34.999
a state attorney general who is prosecuting
the case. Yes. And he was never allowed
00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:39.999
to interview Gary Thomas Rowe. In 1978,
00:49:40.000 --> 00:49:44.999
ABC News did a follow-up story on the
Liuzzo murder. They asked the Klansmen,
00:49:45.000 --> 00:49:49.999
who were just released from federal prison, and
the FBI informer to take a lie detector test.
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:54.999
All were questioned in detail
about the night of the murder.
00:49:55.000 --> 00:49:59.999
Who fired the murder weapon? Rowe did.
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:04.999
You saw him do it? Yep. Did
you fire a shot at all?
00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:09.999
No. Not one. You pointed your pistol?
Absolutely. But didn\'t fire a shot?
00:50:10.000 --> 00:50:14.999
No, sir. Not a one. Thomas and
Wilkins underwent lie detector test.
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:19.999
The experts said they were telling the
truth. They said Rowe pulled the trigger.
00:50:20.000 --> 00:50:24.999
Rowe flunked this test, according to the experts.
That leaves you with some sort of conclusion.
00:50:25.000 --> 00:50:29.999
Since the FBI never took fingerprints,
00:50:30.000 --> 00:50:34.999
the identity of the triggerman
will never be confirmed.
00:50:35.000 --> 00:50:39.999
Following the ABC broadcast, Wilkins and Thomas
were subpoenaed by a grand jury in Alabama.
00:50:40.000 --> 00:50:44.999
They testified that it was
Rowe who fired the shot
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:49.999
that killed Viola Liuzzo. On the strength
of their testimony and other evidence
00:50:50.000 --> 00:50:54.999
of Rowe\'s violent past, Gary
Thomas Rowe was indicted
00:50:55.000 --> 00:50:59.999
for first-degree murder in the death of Viola
Liuzzo. But a federal judge intervened.
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:04.999
He ruled that Rowe had been
granted immunity for testifying
00:51:05.000 --> 00:51:09.999
against the Klansmen in \'65
and the charges were dropped.
00:51:10.000 --> 00:51:14.999
The Liuzzo family was convinced
00:51:15.000 --> 00:51:19.999
that the man the FBI had personally
placed in the Klan car, the bureau\'s hero
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:24.999
who had testified in the trials, had
either shot Viola Liuzzo or done nothing
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:29.999
to prevent her murder. Either
way, the FBI was culpable.
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:34.999
With the ACLU behind them, the Liuzzo
children sued the US Government
00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:39.999
for the wrongful death of their mother.
00:51:40.000 --> 00:51:44.999
[music]
00:51:45.000 --> 00:51:49.999
But this wasn\'t a moment of
redemption for the Liuzzo family.
00:51:50.000 --> 00:51:54.999
[music]
00:51:55.000 --> 00:51:59.999
Not only did the judge rule against them, but he
ordered the Liuzzos to pay court costs as well.
00:52:00.000 --> 00:52:04.999
They will have to drag me to jail before
I pay a penny. And that\'s the fact.
00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:09.999
And I will never pay a penny to the United States Government
for the murder of my mother and for bringing action
00:52:10.000 --> 00:52:14.999
to find out exactly what happened to
my mother. After the failed lawsuit,
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:19.999
the family dynamics changed. Tommy,
the oldest brother, disappeared
00:52:20.000 --> 00:52:24.999
into the backwoods of Alabama, cutting
off all ties. Despite the setbacks,
00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:30.000
Tony struggled to vindicate his
mother by keeping her memory alive.
00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:43.000
[music]
00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:09.999
The spirit of my mother, Dr. King
00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:14.999
and of every brave souls that
laid down their life for freedom
00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:19.999
lives inside of us today.
We will pick up their track
00:53:20.000 --> 00:53:24.999
on this pavement, this very pavement today
once marched, and go on to Montgomery
00:53:25.000 --> 00:53:29.999
and go on further all
across the nation to say,
00:53:30.000 --> 00:53:34.999
we shall be free and we
shall overcome one day.
00:53:35.000 --> 00:53:43.000
[music]
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:49.999
Being in Alabama makes me yearn to see
my brother Tommy. I haven\'t seen him
00:53:50.000 --> 00:53:54.999
in 20 years. I know that he
lives near where mom died.
00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:59.999
When he moved down here, he changed his name
to Tommy Lee. He doesn\'t have a telephone.
00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:04.999
The only way I managed to get in touch
with him was through his friend Steve,
00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:09.999
who is kind of his gatekeeper.
00:54:10.000 --> 00:54:14.999
[music]
00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:19.999
This is the main stage.
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:25.000
You look like somebody. But you
remember me of somebody, John.
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:34.999
Yeah, (inaudible). Tommy has
already (inaudible). Is he? Yeah.
00:54:35.000 --> 00:54:39.999
He\'s pretty stable. I mean, he
doesn\'t (inaudible). Oh, no! No, no!
00:54:40.000 --> 00:54:44.999
Good! How big is he? He looks like exactly
the tree over there. Tommy is a big man.
00:54:45.000 --> 00:54:49.999
I mean, a big man. Yeah. He\'s huge. Yeah.
He\'s who he is. He\'s been through a lot.
00:54:50.000 --> 00:54:54.999
He\'s been through a lot. I mean, really a lot. Yeah, he\'s
been through a lot. And, you know, and he fought for a cause
00:54:55.000 --> 00:54:59.999
for so long that didn\'t get him anywhere,
so why… You know, he\'s tired of fighting.
00:55:00.000 --> 00:55:04.999
He stopped talking about it. He cried the other day when he\'s talking about
it. He got so upset in telling me that. He don\'t… He don\'t… I know. I know.
00:55:05.000 --> 00:55:09.999
We really sat around and had a lot of conversations.
I\'m… I\'m sure. Just one-on-one, both of us crying
00:55:10.000 --> 00:55:14.999
at the same time. Yeah, yeah. You know, but… I
mean, I\'d say that I love Tommy as a brother.
00:55:15.000 --> 00:55:19.999
Come on, we\'re gonna build a fire.
00:55:20.000 --> 00:55:24.999
Don\'t film that. Oh! What is it?
00:55:25.000 --> 00:55:29.999
It doesn\'t matter.
00:55:30.000 --> 00:55:34.999
Tommy got that up there. Tommy did that?
00:55:35.000 --> 00:55:39.999
Did that tell you anything? No! You
saw what it was. I didn\'t, because I…
00:55:40.000 --> 00:55:44.999
If I throw my glasses I can see. It\'s
a black person hanging off of a tree
00:55:45.000 --> 00:55:49.999
with a noose around the neck. Oh!
Now, we all don\'t feel that way.
00:55:50.000 --> 00:55:54.999
I\'m not a prejudice person. I love black people. I
love them. I mean, some of our best friends are black,
00:55:55.000 --> 00:55:59.999
but some people don\'t. Some people
hang rebel flags in New York.
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:04.999
Some people do other things. But I don\'t.
00:56:05.000 --> 00:56:09.999
We gotta the fire going. You ready? Man, look,
I\'m starting that fire from every direction
00:56:10.000 --> 00:56:14.999
you won\'t start it from.
00:56:15.000 --> 00:56:19.999
I sat around that fire most of the night. And
as they were telling stories about Tommy,
00:56:20.000 --> 00:56:24.999
something inside of me just sank because I
knew Tommy wasn\'t gonna show. I know. I know.
00:56:25.000 --> 00:56:29.999
And we really do love him.
00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:34.999
If you\'re listening to this station, we can pretty
well get the message out Tony. Yeah, we can get.
00:56:35.000 --> 00:56:39.999
There are small shades of FM micro broadcasting
too as get Radio Free Berkeley in California,
00:56:40.000 --> 00:56:44.999
which is now of a briefcase. Yeah. And
they\'re typically on the run every night
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:49.999
because they\'re constantly being hunted by the,
I guess, both the fed and other people. So uh…
00:56:50.000 --> 00:56:54.999
You know, that\'s interesting, Mark. I wonder why they
haven\'t hunted us up here at 88.3, what do you think?
00:56:55.000 --> 00:56:59.999
Well, I think it\'s because we make sure
the brain trust is protected by a…
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:04.999
by the militia, which is very, very important to
understand. And what\'s happening is across America people
00:57:05.000 --> 00:57:09.999
are putting their foot down. Yeah, you\'re right. All right,
you\'re listening to 88.3. We\'ve got it for another night.
00:57:10.000 --> 00:57:14.999
God bless you all. Stay strong. Remember
people, please, read your children
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:19.999
the Bible at night, shut the televisions off, teach them the
Ten Commandments and then open up the… the Bill of Rights,
00:57:20.000 --> 00:57:24.999
the Constitution and Declaration of
Independence. Teach them about our heritage.
00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:29.999
We must not lose this country. God bless you all.
Stay strong. And we\'ll see you Thursday night.
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:34.999
Have a great night. We\'ve never done
radio before. Oh, yeah, the radio part.
00:57:35.000 --> 00:57:39.999
We\'ve fighting the… fighting tyranny. It\'s like Warren
said, you know, he said, \"Man, what are you doing?\"
00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:44.999
I said, \"Man, Warren, I\'m doing what I always
have\", fighting tyrannical government and… and,
00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:49.999
you know, absolute power. There\'s nothing new about
this. And… No. This has been going on for centuries.
00:57:50.000 --> 00:57:54.999
Yeah. It\'s just that now we\'re living at.
00:57:55.000 --> 00:57:59.999
That\'s interesting.
00:58:00.000 --> 00:58:08.000
Umm… State Trooper drove by.
00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:14.999
They never come down here. Drove by, very
slow-going to the east, turned around somewhere,
00:58:15.000 --> 00:58:19.999
it couldn\'t have been too far and
came back to the west, very slow.
00:58:20.000 --> 00:58:24.999
Just curious as to what they were doing?
What they wanted?
00:58:25.000 --> 00:58:29.999
I could see. They let us know they watch. I
feel safe now knowing that they\'re here.
00:58:30.000 --> 00:58:34.999
In today\'s world there are people who
are… who are now presenting a different
00:58:35.000 --> 00:58:39.999
kind of threat to our society and at
the same time have certain rights
00:58:40.000 --> 00:58:44.999
uh… that should not be abused.
Uh… We\'ve had to pay
00:58:45.000 --> 00:58:49.999
the price of criticism of
handling of Ruby Ridge and Waco
00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:54.999
and things of that kind.
But we learned from them
00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:59.999
and the important thing is that we need to remind
ourselves what the role of law enforcement is,
00:59:00.000 --> 00:59:04.999
particularly as it applies to
the FBI and it\'s to protect
00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:09.999
rights in a lawful way. It was the
protection of the right to march
00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:14.999
that allowed Americans to affect one of the
most influential changes to our democracy.
00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:19.999
The 1965 Voting Rights
Act passed in Congress
00:59:20.000 --> 00:59:24.999
just months after Viola\'s death.
00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:29.999
The Voting Rights Bill would appoint federal voting
registrars, in some instances, and put an end
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to complicated literacy tests and
discrimination. Her killing,
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that\'s what made it possible for
Lyndon Johnson to go to the Congress
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- at that moment he did - to win the support
for the passage of the Voting Rights Act.
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The event was so fresh in people\'s
mind and had to be so fresh
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in the minds of the people in Congress.
And I think it was very, very key.
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What happened in Selma
was an American tragedy.
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The blows that we received,
the blood that was shed,
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the life that was lost must
strengthen the determination of
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each of us to bring full and equal
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and exact justice to all of our people.
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We have witnessed with the \'65 Voting
Rights Act, what I like to call,
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a non-violent revolution in American South.
I mean, suddenly people were being elected
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to city council, collective
offices of all kinds,
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sheriffs, members of the House
of Representatives, mayors.
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It was a profound change. As
mayors, we have already come.
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And so in a way, you have
to link Viola Liuzzo
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with that, because she was one of the people
that made it possible. She was one of the
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faceless demonstrators who felt
strongly enough to make a commitment
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and go down there and make her
feelings known. I think we all,
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from time to time, are
called upon to take a stand
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or to do, what I call, get in the way.
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Viola Liuzzo got in the way.
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Her name is Viola Liuzzo.
No, I didn\'t know her.
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You didn\'t know her? Uh-huh. What
did you hear about her? Not much.
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[sil.]
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No, I didn\'t think she had any business (inaudible).
These people can take care of themselves.
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I thought she was a courageous woman,
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you know, to leave her family
and come down to Selma, Alabama
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and participate in the voters
right march, which I thought was
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just courageous. Sir, were you there marching
on the bridge? No, I didn\'t wanna be.
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I didn\'t belong there.
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Sir, are you happy that blacks
have the right to vote now?
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I don\'t know. I don\'t know either.
I can\'t answer that.
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The right to vote
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and the right to have your vote counted is the
very heart and soul of our democratic process.
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And when I saw what happened in Florida and
so many other places around our country,
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we still have a great distance to go.
People suffered, people struggled,
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people were beaten, people went to jail and
some people have died for the right to vote.
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The number you have reached
has been disconnected.
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The city, please? Lake George, Michigan.
Could I have the number for Tony Liuzzo,
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L-I-U-Z-Z-O. (inaudible).
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No listing as a resident or anything.
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A few months after September 11th,
Tony Liuzzo went underground.
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Congress had just passed the USA Patriot Act,
which greatly brought into the government\'s power
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to detain and spy on anyone deemed
a threat to national security.
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Having been promoted to second-in-command
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of the Michigan Militia, Tony had
been speaking out, warning Americans
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not to let their fear of terrorism rob them of
their civil liberties. I\'m doing good, you know.
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I\'m just kind of confused at where this nation\'s
going down, you know. His sisters fear,
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another casualty awaits them.
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I\'m just wondering how my
brother Tony is doing?
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Oh, no, I haven\'t seen him in actually quite
long time. I got a little note from him,
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I think it was last month,
and saying that 9/11
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had really been like the straw that broke the
camel\'s back and that he was… had gone underground.
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And I just wanted to know that he\'s okay.
He told me that he was having
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a lot of trouble uh… with unusual military
helicopters coming extremely close to his home.
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Today, I think, it was the Oakland
Press said Michigan is a police state.
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Honestly, I don\'t think I\'ll see him again.
And that makes me sad,
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real sad. I… I mean, I knew… I felt
like I wouldn\'t see my brother Tommy
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a long time ago that I wasn\'t
gonna see, but I always thought
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we\'d always have Tony around.
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Harrow is an exact always total price.
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It\'s not like a Hollywood movie.
It\'s not with a happy ending.
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It\'s not like the good guy, so to speak, really
win in the end within a two-hour period.
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If you really go up against
government power or against injustice
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and against evil, you may die and
everybody who you love and care about
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may be condemned to
different kinds of deaths
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for very, very long time.
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If my mom\'s presence
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were here or anywhere, I don\'t think
it would be inside of these… these
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uh… bars. What… It\'s like a
shame, like she has to be
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in prison to protect her from the bad guys.
I mean, that\'s just ironic.
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I wanna go over to that church,
maybe they\'ll be singing.
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Oh, I got a mother in LA.
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I got a mother in LA. Oh,
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I got a mother in LA (inaudible).
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Amen! Amen!
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The pastor (inaudible) he\'s out in church.
And we have a guest. My name is Mary
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and I came to visit. There\'s
my mother\'s memorial.
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I saw the church and I thought how wonderful
that is. And I thought I could come over and
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maybe pray with you a little. And thank you for
being here. It\'s (inaudible) to have you here too.
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Yes, it is. Because your mother paid the
ultimate sacrifice, made the ultimate sacrifice
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so that all of us right then
could vote and have the right to
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many things in life that we\'ve never done
before. I\'m just so glad to find you here.
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I give a prayer of thanks that
you all are here and thanks.
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Okay. Oh God bless sister Viola Liuzzo.
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God we thank you for her. Thank you, Lord. We
think of her because she loved your children uh….
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Yes, Lord. To come and participate
in this march. Yes, Lord.
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God bless the whole family, Lord.
Yes, Lord. God go before her.
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Go before her. Strengthen her more. Strengthen
her. Keep her safe from all the harm and danger.
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We asked it and we\'re claiming
it in Jesus name. Amen.
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