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- Green line.

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Okay, let's go.

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- Just tell him what everyone
wants to hear. I said I'm not

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- Doing,
- I got hit with a bit of je crap.

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- You're twisting mom. Really
fucking hell. Hello Mark.

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Here. Everyone is asking
how long I got left. I,

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- I'm the JL fucking donkey.

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What you gonna do? Just
get arrested marching.

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You might as well pay a bill.

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- Look who's coming. Anyone doesn't wanna

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get arrested? Leave

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- The road.

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Now I'm gonna have

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to arrest you if you're not
gonna come off the road.

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Do you understand that? Yes we are.

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- Hold on. Show what
you said. A democracy.

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Do not live in a democracy.

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- I don't think I knew what
to expect when I started

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investigating this, but I
definitely did not expect

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what has since happened.

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It's all feels very surreal
and somewhat dystopian.

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- The initial plan for
Insulate Britain was

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you brought the motor away, you get

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arrested, you go and do it again.

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You tell 'em if you let me
out, I'm gonna do it again.

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And you keep doing that
until you get remanded.

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I got arrested 10 times with
Insulate Britain in two months.

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- Can he wash your back?
Seriously. Thank you.

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It's the first thing to do to save us

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to cut carbon emission to save life

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- Under
- Control.

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There's no need to behave in
such an aggressive manner,

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not behaving in an aggressive manner.

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- Okay, can you please be calm?

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- Tear.

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He's my hand off. You're
playing white. Me?

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- Hello sir. What's going on today?

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What? What's your intentions?

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I aren't, at least start this.

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Are you here to self harm yourself? No.

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Are you here in protest? They're answering

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no comment up beyond.

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This is a just stop oil protest

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because oil is gonna kill our
families and our children.

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How high are you planning on going sir?

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Are you planning on going to the top,

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- Kill you with the climbers, get sick,

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- Don't engage with don't.

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- Yeah, few. But we are strong

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time's been wasted and
we haven't got too long.

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Mother's dying.

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We can't feel it in our, so we are

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- Preparing.

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My name's Marcus and I'm in
a hammock about 50, 60 meters

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above the ground, above a
motorway that we've blocked

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because our genocidal
government needs to stop their

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terrible policy of
allowing more fossil fuels.

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- He didn't tell you about
it, did he? He didn't.

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Why do you think he
didn't tell you about it?

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- He told me that he was doing something

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and he told me

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that he might end up having at some

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point having some time in prison.

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So that much I was prepared for.

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And he said, is that all
right? Will you visit me?

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Will you stay by, you know,
stick with me? And I said, yeah.

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- And time in prison
in his mind was what? A

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- Months I think a few months,
- Possibly

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- Weeks.

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- The cherry picker crane
has just been set up.

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- He came to Britain
in 2020 for one action.

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He wasn't planning to
stay but lockdown happened

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and he found that he was
here for a good while longer.

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And then he met me,

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we met running, protesting workshops

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- For We love this land
- And

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- Let's work for a better.

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- We fell in love pretty quickly, very

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- Quick like we've never loved before.

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- We carried on running our
protest, singing workshops

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together for three years

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until he did this action.

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- Just to let you know. Peaceful protest

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with peaceful police officer.

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- Right. Okay mate. Invest anymore.

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Can you just confirm time
of arrest? 1719. Thank you.

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- What was your offense? The conspiracy

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to commit public nuisance.

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- I'm on my way to the
inner London Crown Court

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where four climate activists
are being sentenced today

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after having been found guilty
of causing a public nuisance

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for blocking a motorway.

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Many of the Insulate Britain
trials are being overseen

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by Judge Silas Reed

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and he's banned them from
telling the jury why they

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did what they did.

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The judge said that their
motivations were not relevant

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and that the verdict should be
based solely on whether their

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actions were legal or not.

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- I'm being sentenced today

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with three other people. I'm about to

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- Go into court to be sentenced.

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- So because of the judge's legal rulings,

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you're not allowed in the court
to mention climate change,

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fuel poverty, or in fact
make any moral justification

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of your actions whatsoever
because of his rulings.

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He says this is irrelevant

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and if you do talk about them,

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then you are potentially
in contempt of court

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and you could be sent to prison.

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- I went along with the judge's rules

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and didn't act in contempt
of court at that time.

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Understandably, the jury found us guilty

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because they weren't
hearing the whole truth.

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Justice read.

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We'll not be silent today.

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However, I will be speaking some

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hard truths if I get the chance
to speak them to the judge.

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So this will probably go badly for me.

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It'll mean that I am very unlikely

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to walk outta this building.

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You know, I'm gonna be spending

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probably quite a time in prison.

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- So the police fan who Steven
will come out with this gate

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- In theory, will
- He be able to see us

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- Sometimes?

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And he was banning

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justice.

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Reed is really unhappy

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because he's actually set
the Metropolitan Police

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on multiple occasions.

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Yesterday they went around
spray painting over our banners

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and covering them over on the other side.

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You can see what they used
to say 'cause they missed

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some, I say missed some.

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I may have taken the tape
off. If you are a juror,

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you have an absolute right
to acquit not guilty,

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a defendant on your conscience

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for any reason that you choose.

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Joys have found us guilty
for protesting in the past.

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They've also acquitted us
for protesting in the past.

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That's on the basis that they get all

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of the information given to them.

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And the judge is saying that
they do not have the right

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to know why we protested.

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All that we're allowed to give is

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the facts of the situation.

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So we sat on a road and
we were late or arrested.

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I mean, who wouldn't
find you guilty for that?

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That sounds crazy and mind boggling.

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You know, context is
massively important when

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it comes to the criminal case.

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- Tell me what you're doing.

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Otherwise everyone's
gonna think you're mad.

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- I'm training in keeping people

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safe on the roads.

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So in order to do that, I
need to learn to go backwards.

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- There is something incredibly impactful

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and powerful about slow
marching in the sense

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that it is pretty radical at the moment

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to cause this disruption in a legal way

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because it is still legal to do it.

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Or what we are gonna be doing in April.

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There's gonna be multiple slow marches

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and we'll be so marching
pretty much daily,

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but we're gonna keep it nice and varied

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and random to keep the
police on their toes.

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- We know that this is legal

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and this has been communicated to everyone

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that there's a very low risk of arrest.

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The, the police could still threaten it.

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We should say to people, if
the police threaten one of us

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with arrest, that we all say to them,

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if you arrest one of us,
you arrest all of us.

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- There's not a lot of details right now.

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So the main thing that we're
saying to people is get down

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to dinner on Crown Court if you can.

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She's being held Indian

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or London Crown Court
in the cells down below.

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She's gonna be brought in
front of Judge Silas Reed.

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That's all we know at the moment.

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So if you're in London, get to London.

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- I'm heading over to the
inner London Crown Court.

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There were two climate protesters outside,

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but one of them has been arrested.

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Not exactly sure why. So
I'm off to to find out.

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- So yesterday Trudy
did a one person action.

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She just stood at the juror's
entrance with a sign that says

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that they could acquit someone

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depending on their conscience.

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And we had agreed that she would do

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the morning shift here today.

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And I would put like two 30 and I came in

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and there was no banners and no treat D.

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So now the update that we have is

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that treat D is gonna be released today

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to be tried in the high court next week.

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Yeah, that's pretty quick, right? Yeah.

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They said that even handing
out a leaflet is can be

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considered contempt of court
because you're swaying the

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jury in one way or another.

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So they told us, yeah, if
were to put up one more poster

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or give out one more leaflet,

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then we'd be in contempt of court.

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- So Sean, who's in the
background of this shot right now

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is handing out leaflets.

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- Yes he is because he is brave.

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Oh, here she is.

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- You gotta be worried.
Some soggy balance here.

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It's okay, we'll dry them.

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I be sheltering from the rain

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and the porch of the standing
there watching the rain,

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just waiting to other way you think,

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- Says Oh God, well you
absolutely deserve a good cup

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- Of tea.

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And the rest of the day off
very nice to me in the cells.

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Actually I think they just felt so,

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she said well just give him more.

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Just tell him what
everybody wants to hear.

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Just tell him what
everybody wants to hear.

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I said, I'm not doing

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- Go to jail.

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It isn't nice. It isn't nice.

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You told us once, you told us twice.

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- Lawyers, irresponsible lawyers.

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So it the lawyers reading
out a declaration. Okay.

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- We declare in accordance
with our consciences

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that we will withhold
our services in respect

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of supporting new fossil fuel projects

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and action against climate protestors.

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- More and more juries
when they are given time

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to properly talk about the
climate crisis are a putting

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climate protestors.

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And in response to that,
a number of judges,

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particularly Silas Reed
in a London Crown court,

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have been imprisoning peaceful protestors.

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Not just for their protest

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but for daring to speak the
words climate change in court.

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Just yesterday, Silas Reed
has raised the stakes again.

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A woman was arrested outside
in a London Crown court

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for holding a placard on the street.

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That speaks the truth.

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And that truth is that a
juror has an absolute right

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to acquit someone on their conscience.

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Judge Reed had that person arrested

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and they're due to be tried at
the old Bailey next Tuesday.

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- I wanna know what it
made you feel like when the

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barrister mentioned you.

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What happened yesterday?

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- I was surprised actually
that it had landed quite

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so quickly and been quite so impactful.

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I wanted something to be impactful

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and obviously pleased. It's

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- Quite a big,
- Yeah, okay. And it's quite

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- A blow for freedom of jury trial.

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I've never heard anything
that's happening before.

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And if you were able
to defeat them, I think

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that could potentially have a big impact.

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- There's so much that

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auto balance, so I can't understand you.

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That's within eight days is

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something in front of the old Bailey.

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- It's the 4th of April

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and I'm going to the old Bailey today

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and it's where they try
like big criminal cases.

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- A call yesterday from somebody
who said to me, she said,

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I want you to know Trudy,
that if you go down,

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we are prepared to hold that black card

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outside every courtroom at
every trial at any cost.

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- Morning, Sean, I cannot stay long.

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I've got to go straight from Mag

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Morgan once I've got off this

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- Bag.

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Look at you, you beast of burden.

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- Yes, I I'm the Js o fucking donkey

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- Morgan.

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- And you all on the
same day. Yeah, I know.

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It's a bit of a big one. Bit
of a big day, isn't it? Right.

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- Is there any likelihood of,
of you going to jail today?

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- Well, I've brought my back

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'cause yes, I think there
is, nobody has any idea

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what could happen next.

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- I'm not even sure who's prosecuting

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because it's not a prosecution, it's a,

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- It's a word.

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It's Kavanaugh.

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- So Kavanaugh is a high court judge.

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So they're, they're taking it seriously.

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But it raises some
fundamental issues about

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the right to protest outside
court about jury's rules.

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So it may well be that
the attorney general

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instructs a barrister to
represent the government.

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Not, not person obviously government.

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It's just the offices of the
attorney general will instruct

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a barrister to represent the state.

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So that, that, that is
again something that we need

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to clarify today as to who
the other side is going

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to be. Okay.

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- Oh dear.
- It's nothing to be dear, but not at all.

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It's all going to be really
straightforward today.

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I'm gonna go and get my
gear on so I meet you

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outside court seat.

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- We were found guilty of
a public nuisance today

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because Judge Coy decided to

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direct the jury very clearly just

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to focus on whether we obstructed
the public in using the

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bridge, which we of course did.

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He also said that there are
no circumstances under which

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anybody could protest up
there above the bridge.

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And we say the situation is

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so extreme now that that should be given.

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But we were mainly able

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to clarify the main points in our trial.

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Namely that just the oil are demanding.

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No new oil and gas licenses.

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- Truly has been her case has been taken

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to the Attorney General so that

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attorney General can consider
whether a, she was perverting,

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attempting to pervert
the course of justice

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and B, whether she
committed contempt of court.

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The judge decided that it would be in the

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public interest to make a case.

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- You'll be okay.
- Okay.

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You couldn't see the shaking?

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- No, I could see the,
you know, dignified.

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You were very yourself.
You were very dignified.

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Very dignified. Good on you.

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- That's good. Yeah.

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- Who's been arrested? Kathy up there

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coming out of public galleries.

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- Just now.
- Just now.

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- Did you see what
happened with, with Kathy?

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Where, where, where she's
been taken or with who?

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With Kathy. Did you, sorry,

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- Something.

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- Oh, I was hearing they're
trying to pin the posters

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'cause they were parked
around the call on Kathy's

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- Ollie's been arrested.

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It seems like they came to
his house, the police came

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to his house and they've arrested him.

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So this explains why Kathy was arrested.

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Kathy Ollie and somebody else, Sally.

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The three of them have been
arrested for putting up posters.

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They must have had CCTV
and seen who'd put them up.

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- Wow.

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- Yeah. They were charged
for a public nuisance.

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And as of last year, public
nuisance had a maximum

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of 10 years in prison

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- Back in 2019.

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An extinction rebellion
protestor was given a 12 month

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sentence for gluing himself to the top

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of a British Airways plane.

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The appeal judges reduced that sentence

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to four months on the basis

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that 12 months was just excessive

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for nonviolent protest action.

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Marcus and Morgan have been in prison

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for six months already awaiting trial.

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So if they get a sentence
of less than six months,

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they could go free today.

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Sorry, what did you say?

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It's just, we've just finished. Okay.

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- They've been sent down.
- They've been sent down. Wow.

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No, they're just coming.
She's coming out coming.

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Yeah, she's just coming. Yeah,

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everybody's a little bit, it's shocked.

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Sure. Shocked. So I think we
just need to No, I understand.

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Really weren't expecting something quite,

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extremely harsh is that

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- Morgan has received three
years custodial sentence

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and Marcus will be serving
two years and seven months.

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- Clearly feel very emotional about I do,

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- I'm horrified.

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To be honest, I think the judge
is trying to set precedent.

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This is the first, first
sentencing under the new act.

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So we think the judge is trying

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to deter people from
committing similar acts

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of civil disobedience.

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- The judge's sentence was
based on the new police crime

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sentencing and courts act.

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And that act is a cowardly policy

00:20:48.380 --> 00:20:50.720
by a terrified authoritarian government,

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which is seeking to ban protest.

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- Has this been enough of a deterrent

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for you and your colleagues?

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Will you be disrupting the
London marathon this weekend

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or the king's coronation?

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- Just stop. Oil is committed

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to continuing disruptive action.

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We cannot confirm and
deny any new targets,

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but we are not going to stop

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until the government meet our demand

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for no new oil and gas licenses.

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- I still think it is pretty incredible

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that they just got the longest
sentence ever being given out

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for peaceful protest.

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- They weren't silenced.

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- They weren't silenced.
It was interesting.

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I I you know, couldn't
tell for quite a long time

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what the judge was doing
and thinking later.

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I felt like it was a bit like
watching a cat, you know,

00:21:37.490 --> 00:21:39.470
playing with a couple of mice.

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He let them explain themselves

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and then he just slammed down on them.

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I still feel that basically what

00:21:49.450 --> 00:21:51.990
that judge did is he had a new toy.

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The government had given
him the right to give

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years in prison for public nuisance

00:22:01.910 --> 00:22:03.690
and he played with his new toy

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- Ready to rock.

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- I am ready for prison. I need the break.

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- Oh my God. I love your nails though.

00:22:27.260 --> 00:22:29.360
- Yes. You'll
- Be going in Glams.

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- I did the faggotry before I

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realized I was going to prison on Monday.

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- You think you're going on Monday?

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- Yes. I've got till Monday
to give the police all

00:22:36.040 --> 00:22:37.600
of the information about
what JSO has planned

00:22:39.660 --> 00:22:41.840
- And Pia or P Sheha.

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Yeah. I am actually pretty
psyched for, for Monday.

00:22:46.510 --> 00:22:48.040
- Yeah. Sam, he him.

00:22:49.300 --> 00:22:51.360
I'm also really looking
forward to next week.

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I can't wait to kinda get on the road.

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- Yesterday I was surrounded
by five police officers

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and I was given this
lovely piece of paper.

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But according to this,
basically I have to give

00:23:03.100 --> 00:23:05.940
the Metropolitan police
six days advance notice

00:23:05.940 --> 00:23:08.380
of any actions that just
stop oil has planned.

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Of course I'm not aware of all the actions

00:23:10.420 --> 00:23:11.640
and I'm already in breach of this

00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:13.690
because I have to give
them six days notice.

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Today is Saturday the 22nd of April

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and they know that our
first action is on Monday.

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- It's six 30 in the morning.
I've got Ccad Circus.

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It's the quiet before the
storm of morning rush hour.

00:23:39.780 --> 00:23:43.490
- This for ourselves. We
do this for our loved one.

00:23:43.490 --> 00:23:44.490
For each other.

00:23:52.030 --> 00:23:54.010
- Okay. We're about ready to go. Yeah.

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How's everyone feeling? Good.

00:24:42.300 --> 00:24:42.590
Have,

00:24:48.440 --> 00:24:49.370
we're all

00:24:49.370 --> 00:24:53.630
people disobey.

00:24:55.740 --> 00:24:59.200
Last result. Last result. We tried

00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:02.130
- Everything We tried everything.

00:25:02.130 --> 00:25:05.010
- We signed petitions. Petitions.

00:25:05.010 --> 00:25:08.610
We wrote to our np, we to our nmps.

00:25:08.610 --> 00:25:10.330
- We signed up for Greene.

00:25:10.330 --> 00:25:15.230
We, but nothing has happened. Nothing has

00:25:15.230 --> 00:25:16.230
- Happened.

00:25:16.230 --> 00:25:16.870
Time is out.

00:25:20.870 --> 00:25:23.340
I am a little worried about
the fact that we've lost Sean.

00:25:23.340 --> 00:25:24.710
Sean is always here.

00:25:25.680 --> 00:25:27.540
Oh he definitely wasn't
arrested last night

00:25:27.540 --> 00:25:28.820
'cause I've been in in touch with him.

00:25:29.670 --> 00:25:32.620
Maybe he got here first and
they arrested him already

00:25:39.400 --> 00:25:40.400
- All over London.

00:25:42.480 --> 00:25:47.380
As we're now, we are coming up to 55

00:25:47.380 --> 00:25:50.260
and 57 Tufton Street, the home

00:25:50.260 --> 00:25:55.140
of many climate change
denying lobbyist groups

00:25:55.140 --> 00:25:58.660
who are funded by the oil gas industry

00:25:58.660 --> 00:26:02.900
to delay any meaningful
action on climate change.

00:26:02.900 --> 00:26:05.040
We would like to come and
read them the science.

00:26:06.500 --> 00:26:08.080
We would like to come
and tell 'em the truth.

00:26:09.300 --> 00:26:11.360
So because I'm a bit lame, I always carry

00:26:11.360 --> 00:26:12.600
around a copy of the latest.

00:26:12.600 --> 00:26:13.600
I see a report with me,

00:26:17.840 --> 00:26:21.450
- A conservative think tank
called the policy exchange

00:26:21.450 --> 00:26:24.500
wrote a report that effectively
became the police Crime

00:26:24.500 --> 00:26:26.500
and Sentencing and Courts Act

00:26:26.500 --> 00:26:29.340
and Marcus Morgan were the
first climate activists

00:26:29.340 --> 00:26:31.200
to be sentenced under that new law

00:26:34.630 --> 00:26:36.440
- Current status address.

00:26:37.730 --> 00:26:41.780
Human principally through emissions

00:26:41.780 --> 00:26:46.780
of greenhouse gases have
unequivocally caused global warming

00:26:47.510 --> 00:26:52.510
with global surface temperature
reaching 1.1 degrees Celsius

00:26:52.890 --> 00:26:54.320
above pre-industrial average.

00:26:57.660 --> 00:27:00.880
- Sean's okay. Oh he said
his phone hadn't charged.

00:27:02.880 --> 00:27:04.400
- I was bloody worried. I woke up,

00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:06.240
I was going fuck take
everything I gonna be arrested.

00:27:07.560 --> 00:27:10.120
I woke up to a million fucking
messages going the fucking

00:27:10.120 --> 00:27:11.440
bastar and take you today.

00:27:14.900 --> 00:27:16.100
- We were incredibly worried.

00:27:16.100 --> 00:27:17.870
The first thing I want to tell you is

00:27:17.870 --> 00:27:20.840
that I brought you a vegan breakfast

00:27:22.420 --> 00:27:25.000
and I bought two one we saw one without

00:27:25.980 --> 00:27:29.200
and I really, really
was worried about that.

00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:32.830
You were all right. I you
don't have tell me at all

00:27:32.830 --> 00:27:35.520
what went on, but as long as
you are all right. Thank God

00:27:36.390 --> 00:27:37.540
- Nothing went wrong.

00:27:37.540 --> 00:27:40.060
My phone just decided
I didn't wanna charge

00:27:40.060 --> 00:27:42.200
and I've got a terrible
man flu and I'm still sick.

00:27:43.340 --> 00:27:45.880
- Oh my God. I just ho.
- Yeah, you

00:27:45.880 --> 00:27:46.880
- Told me before.

00:27:52.540 --> 00:27:54.120
- So they didn't arrest
you yesterday or today?

00:27:55.300 --> 00:27:58.560
- No. No. So I think it might
have just been a fear tactic

00:27:58.560 --> 00:28:02.280
on behalf of the Metropolitan
Police, but it didn't work.

00:28:03.220 --> 00:28:04.220
Try again.

00:28:24.520 --> 00:28:27.070
- Yesterday we had like a
really smooth sailing day

00:28:27.070 --> 00:28:30.830
but some other groups more
focused around Westminster.

00:28:30.830 --> 00:28:33.550
The police finally admitted

00:28:33.550 --> 00:28:36.260
that we're causing serious disruption.

00:28:36.260 --> 00:28:37.960
So that sounds a bit scary but that's good

00:28:37.960 --> 00:28:39.160
because that what we are doing,

00:28:39.160 --> 00:28:41.320
like it would be actually way worse for us

00:28:41.320 --> 00:28:42.710
to be completely ignored.

00:28:42.710 --> 00:28:44.740
What they were doing
yesterday is they were coming

00:28:44.740 --> 00:28:47.260
and threatening to impose a section 12.

00:28:47.260 --> 00:28:49.360
So that basically means this route

00:28:49.360 --> 00:28:51.180
and your you group of protestors,

00:28:51.180 --> 00:28:53.380
if you're continuing then you are breaking

00:28:53.380 --> 00:28:56.350
of this section 12 and that
can therefore lead to a arrest

00:28:56.350 --> 00:28:58.540
because this slow marching patch is

00:28:58.540 --> 00:28:59.820
so clever 'cause it's legal.

00:28:59.820 --> 00:29:01.620
So they having to bring something else

00:29:01.620 --> 00:29:03.280
in to try and get us off.

00:29:03.280 --> 00:29:05.670
'cause what would happen
is they'd threaten it.

00:29:05.670 --> 00:29:06.910
Some would be like, ooh,

00:29:06.910 --> 00:29:08.000
okay well we are gonna stay on

00:29:08.000 --> 00:29:09.040
the room or something like that.

00:29:11.030 --> 00:29:12.760
That an accurate impression.
Yeah, pretty good.

00:29:13.620 --> 00:29:17.060
And I'd be like, oh dammit
there's 22 people there.

00:29:17.060 --> 00:29:18.760
We are gonna have to get back up if

00:29:18.760 --> 00:29:20.340
they're actually being serious about this.

00:29:20.340 --> 00:29:21.880
And it wouldn't be
until they actually came

00:29:21.880 --> 00:29:25.030
and they said now we are
imposing a section 12

00:29:25.030 --> 00:29:26.600
that anyone would be at risk of arrest.

00:29:28.140 --> 00:29:29.480
- So what's the intention here then?

00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:30.850
Any of a specific location?

00:29:30.850 --> 00:29:32.430
- We're just gonna be walking in the road.

00:29:32.430 --> 00:29:34.850
- Okay. Are you gonna let buses pass?

00:29:34.850 --> 00:29:36.830
- We'll do where possible. We'll do that.

00:29:36.830 --> 00:29:39.920
- Okay. So for me, I'd
like you to let buses pass

00:29:39.920 --> 00:29:42.020
because of the disruption that's causing

00:29:42.020 --> 00:29:43.920
to London Transport really.

00:29:44.780 --> 00:29:47.040
I'm gonna obviously
facilitate peaceful protests,

00:29:47.040 --> 00:29:49.110
but if it does come a point
where this's disruption,

00:29:49.110 --> 00:29:50.430
I'll come and have a chat with you first.

00:29:50.430 --> 00:29:51.560
Yeah, but I really want

00:29:51.560 --> 00:29:53.100
to get the engagement here going Sam.

00:29:53.100 --> 00:29:54.520
So what's up?

00:30:03.540 --> 00:30:06.980
Excuse me. Excuse me.

00:30:06.980 --> 00:30:08.960
Can you speak you guys okay?

00:30:11.070 --> 00:30:13.640
- Okay everyone. Okay. We live the city

00:30:13.640 --> 00:30:15.880
where you'd rather run
someone over than be late for.

00:30:17.830 --> 00:30:19.560
He's not comfortable for anyone, you know,

00:30:19.560 --> 00:30:23.780
making this disruption or sitting
in it, but it's essential.

00:30:23.780 --> 00:30:25.680
- Are you feeling a difference
in mood from day one?

00:30:26.630 --> 00:30:28.220
- Yeah, I mean there's a tension

00:30:28.220 --> 00:30:30.460
but you know, that's what
it's about, you know?

00:30:30.460 --> 00:30:31.640
But yes, I think the, the level

00:30:31.640 --> 00:30:34.140
of support is, I think it's growing.

00:30:34.140 --> 00:30:36.600
People are joining us, we're
getting stronger every,

00:30:36.600 --> 00:30:39.940
every minute and this
is gonna be unstoppable.

00:30:39.940 --> 00:30:42.930
You know, we're just gonna
keep going and going and going.

00:30:42.930 --> 00:30:44.060
- We're having
- To leave our home

00:30:44.060 --> 00:30:45.590
for lived for thousands of years.

00:30:45.590 --> 00:30:47.040
- Updated the jet, the car

00:30:48.390 --> 00:30:53.390
driving economy.

00:30:54.660 --> 00:30:55.960
- No, of course I don't.

00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:57.800
But do I think he goes like, city oil

00:30:57.800 --> 00:31:02.080
and gas makes an oil economy 10 have one,

00:31:02.080 --> 00:31:03.440
- Aren't we it

00:31:07.880 --> 00:31:08.000
I

00:31:14.430 --> 00:31:19.430
need to change on living

00:31:19.620 --> 00:31:21.940
in a world that is powered by oil and

00:31:21.940 --> 00:31:22.940
- Gas in this way.

00:31:24.100 --> 00:31:26.400
Oh, I'm so proud of this. I
think we're doing fucking great

00:31:27.980 --> 00:31:28.640
- People who

00:31:38.540 --> 00:31:40.360
- It says it sounds like
the other marches have had,

00:31:40.360 --> 00:31:45.360
have had section 12 on them
and and that might come for us.

00:31:45.630 --> 00:31:48.050
Just out of interest, if we
did put directions on you,

00:31:48.050 --> 00:31:50.540
would you, would you take the directions?

00:31:50.540 --> 00:31:52.720
So yeah, so that's says
Section 12, directions the

00:31:52.720 --> 00:31:53.310
- One. Yeah, you know it

00:31:53.310 --> 00:31:54.580
- Everybody. Well if you,

00:31:54.580 --> 00:31:56.270
- I'm not playing on not just
curious to know if you would.

00:31:56.270 --> 00:31:57.560
- Well I just, if you could explain

00:31:57.560 --> 00:31:58.680
to me what the process is.

00:32:02.200 --> 00:32:03.720
I have a son, he's 13

00:32:04.700 --> 00:32:07.880
of 40.2 degrees when that was reached.

00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:09.470
Our temperature has reached this summer,

00:32:09.470 --> 00:32:10.950
there's a temperature

00:32:10.950 --> 00:32:14.700
that no one had predicted
would hit the UK for maybe

00:32:14.700 --> 00:32:16.350
before 2050.

00:32:16.350 --> 00:32:20.920
It's happening right now. London
was on fire in this summer.

00:32:21.820 --> 00:32:23.930
It was on fire in multiple locations.

00:32:23.930 --> 00:32:26.800
There were more call outs to
the fire brigade than the bits.

00:32:29.590 --> 00:32:34.220
Also that summer, one third
of Pakistan was underwater.

00:32:34.220 --> 00:32:36.110
All of these are climate change effects

00:32:36.110 --> 00:32:37.880
that are happening right now.

00:32:39.020 --> 00:32:40.160
That's why we're on the road.

00:32:41.100 --> 00:32:44.720
That's why we won't accept
the governance in action.

00:33:10.380 --> 00:33:11.920
- Police aren't gonna be expecting

00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:13.300
you guys to be here, are they?

00:33:13.300 --> 00:33:16.480
- No, I bet they like sent
out a hundred to Westminster.

00:33:16.480 --> 00:33:18.280
- Yeah,
- Sean's just gonna have a little,

00:33:19.390 --> 00:33:22.220
- Yeah a bit relieved that we've
got to the end of the week,

00:33:22.220 --> 00:33:25.000
but pretty, pretty pumped
seeing like everything

00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:26.480
that's going on and seeing the next,

00:33:26.480 --> 00:33:28.980
like the next team ready to come down like

00:33:28.980 --> 00:33:31.430
and that we've been really
successful in like setting,

00:33:31.430 --> 00:33:32.440
setting everything up.

00:33:59.070 --> 00:34:01.820
- Okay. So it looks like
they've been issued a section 12

00:34:01.820 --> 00:34:03.380
and getting off the road.

00:34:03.380 --> 00:34:06.000
So I'm gonna go and head off and try

00:34:06.000 --> 00:34:07.240
and find Sam in his group.

00:34:15.380 --> 00:34:16.380
How are you?

00:34:17.520 --> 00:34:20.320
- A lot of aggression
earlier really had people

00:34:20.320 --> 00:34:21.660
throwing water on us from the houses.

00:34:21.660 --> 00:34:24.000
So we got sections. Someone
threatened to touch a

00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:25.000
- Bit.

00:34:25.000 --> 00:34:26.560
Alright. Yeah, I'm all
right. How are you? I'm good.

00:34:26.560 --> 00:34:27.960
How was this morning with you? Other not

00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:29.470
as hairy as you like I think.

00:34:29.470 --> 00:34:33.990
- Yeah, it was quite hairy. Good.

00:34:33.990 --> 00:34:38.680
Here we go. Nice one. Okay,
watch out. Show a fucking dog.

00:34:47.220 --> 00:34:48.760
How watch out

00:34:51.990 --> 00:34:54.790
immediately hold lovely.

00:34:54.790 --> 00:34:59.760
Hold you a a a

00:35:01.010 --> 00:35:03.580
We're not gonna move until you
give us a couple of meters.

00:35:03.580 --> 00:35:04.560
You right Dave. You,

00:35:09.600 --> 00:35:11.360
I mean as a police van, police come in.

00:35:13.850 --> 00:35:15.200
We've only been in the
road for 10 minutes.

00:35:22.690 --> 00:35:24.400
It's just phenomenal today.

00:35:24.400 --> 00:35:26.980
And we and we, there was a lot Chuck at us

00:35:26.980 --> 00:35:28.920
and we were study it and we've done it

00:35:28.920 --> 00:35:30.970
and then we pulled a massive shift.

00:35:30.970 --> 00:35:32.860
Yeah, it's phenomenal.

00:35:32.860 --> 00:35:35.180
'cause I think this is so much
about like navigating a kind

00:35:35.180 --> 00:35:39.500
of like the edge of what is
legal and permissible like,

00:35:39.500 --> 00:35:43.920
and that's, it's so much
shrinking day by day isn't it?

00:35:43.920 --> 00:35:45.260
But we're right on that line

00:35:45.260 --> 00:35:46.960
and it's so important to
be on that line I think.

00:35:46.960 --> 00:35:48.960
And I think just did this
fantastic job on that.

00:35:58.550 --> 00:36:02.390
- When Marcus did his action,
he had absolutely no idea

00:36:02.390 --> 00:36:04.100
that if he got a 12 month

00:36:04.100 --> 00:36:05.960
or over sentence, that

00:36:05.960 --> 00:36:07.800
that would be an automatic
deportation order.

00:36:08.860 --> 00:36:11.000
He didn't expect a 12
month or over sentence.

00:36:11.000 --> 00:36:12.240
That's the longest sentence that's,

00:36:12.240 --> 00:36:13.400
that's ever been given out

00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:15.590
for peaceful protest in this country.

00:36:15.590 --> 00:36:17.380
They weren't expecting that,

00:36:17.380 --> 00:36:19.860
but that bit we could deal with.

00:36:19.860 --> 00:36:22.020
We, we know it was a
shock. It was horrible.

00:36:22.020 --> 00:36:24.680
But we did the maths and we
were like, okay, you know,

00:36:24.680 --> 00:36:27.730
behave yourself and you'll
be out sooner than that.

00:36:27.730 --> 00:36:30.120
We'll cope. But now the
deportation orders kicked in.

00:36:30.120 --> 00:36:31.960
That's a whole nother thing.

00:36:34.980 --> 00:36:39.910
- Are you listening? Are
you listening? This is Holly

00:36:39.910 --> 00:36:40.910
- Mark.

00:36:44.730 --> 00:36:46.790
We're marching. We're
marching. We'll be there soon.

00:36:46.790 --> 00:36:49.640
Yeah, everyone's waiting.
Looking forward. See you.

00:36:52.740 --> 00:36:57.740
He is now waiting not only for
an appeal on the deportation,

00:36:57.820 --> 00:37:00.600
but he's still waiting also
for an appeal on his sentence.

00:37:02.100 --> 00:37:06.300
His barristers immediately
put in an appeal for Marcus

00:37:06.300 --> 00:37:08.860
and Morgan's sentence

00:37:08.860 --> 00:37:11.820
to be reduced on the grounds
that it was too long.

00:37:11.820 --> 00:37:15.320
Not on the verdict, but
just on the sentence.

00:37:16.930 --> 00:37:20.080
There is a chance that if
his sentence were reduced

00:37:20.080 --> 00:37:24.560
to under 12 months, the
deportation would be canceled.

00:37:27.300 --> 00:37:30.220
- If he'd known the outcome of this,

00:37:30.220 --> 00:37:32.280
do you think he would've done it?

00:37:34.980 --> 00:37:38.280
- He wouldn't have done it if he

00:37:38.280 --> 00:37:39.560
knew he was gonna be deported.

00:37:41.390 --> 00:37:44.860
I think he would've done
it otherwise actually

00:37:44.860 --> 00:37:45.870
- Even if he knew knew it was gonna

00:37:45.870 --> 00:37:47.190
be a long sentence like that. I

00:37:47.190 --> 00:37:48.750
- Think so.

00:37:48.750 --> 00:37:51.310
I think so. But if he
had told me I probably

00:37:51.310 --> 00:37:52.630
would've persuaded him
to do something else.

00:37:54.280 --> 00:37:55.660
- Which is probably
why he didn't tell you.

00:37:55.660 --> 00:37:57.150
- Yeah, I think he didn't tell me

00:37:57.150 --> 00:37:59.230
because actually he didn't
believe it would work.

00:37:59.230 --> 00:38:00.630
I think he thought it
was perfectly possible

00:38:00.630 --> 00:38:02.530
that they wouldn't get up the bridge

00:38:02.530 --> 00:38:03.670
and it would just all be a bit

00:38:03.670 --> 00:38:06.030
of a, you know, a bit of a let down.

00:38:06.030 --> 00:38:09.230
I don't think he wanted,
you know, anyone to sort of

00:38:10.250 --> 00:38:12.690
be disappointed in himself included.

00:38:12.690 --> 00:38:15.930
So I think that was partly it.
Interesting. I think. Yeah.

00:38:15.930 --> 00:38:17.630
He also probably didn't
wanna be dissuaded.

00:38:22.130 --> 00:38:24.570
- Do you fear that
Marcus is getting broken

00:38:24.570 --> 00:38:26.110
by what's happening to him

00:38:26.110 --> 00:38:27.110
- A bit?

00:38:27.110 --> 00:38:30.860
- Yeah, - I think it's just
the deportation, as I said,

00:38:30.860 --> 00:38:35.580
it's, it's, it's losing me
and losing his home here

00:38:35.580 --> 00:38:37.500
and the, the life that he's built here.

00:38:37.500 --> 00:38:41.640
Mm. I think that's really

00:38:43.140 --> 00:38:47.700
broken him and I dont, yeah,
I dunno what he's gonna do

00:38:47.700 --> 00:38:49.760
- Whilst he's recorded and listen to

00:38:49.760 --> 00:38:51.420
by a member of prison staff.

00:38:51.420 --> 00:38:54.440
If he do not wish to stop
this call, please hang up now.

00:38:56.510 --> 00:38:56.860
- Hello.

00:39:04.200 --> 00:39:08.080
- I'm here in my cell in BW

00:39:08.080 --> 00:39:12.100
of High Point Prison and I've
got lovely sunshine in my,

00:39:12.100 --> 00:39:15.220
- Which is a real improvement
from previous cells.

00:39:19.800 --> 00:39:21.110
Today I'm

00:39:21.110 --> 00:39:23.870
- Pleased to announce that
the public order bill has

00:39:23.870 --> 00:39:26.650
received Royal ascent
from his majesty the king

00:39:26.650 --> 00:39:29.460
as the public order act of 2023.

00:39:29.460 --> 00:39:31.610
This law will bring in new offenses

00:39:31.610 --> 00:39:36.430
for unacceptably disruptive
and damaging protest tactics.

00:39:37.370 --> 00:39:41.850
The right to protest is
fundamental to our democracy,

00:39:41.850 --> 00:39:45.710
but this doesn't extend to
locking yourself onto motorway,

00:39:45.710 --> 00:39:49.250
gantries, gluing yourself
onto historic buildings

00:39:49.250 --> 00:39:51.660
or digging dangerous tunnels.

00:39:51.660 --> 00:39:55.100
Such selfish acts risk lives.

00:39:55.100 --> 00:39:58.610
They drag our police away from communities

00:39:58.610 --> 00:40:01.270
and they stop hardworking people from

00:40:01.270 --> 00:40:02.430
simply getting to work.

00:40:03.690 --> 00:40:08.650
Now these harmful acts will
be met with proper penalties

00:40:08.650 --> 00:40:10.970
and with extended powers.

00:40:10.970 --> 00:40:14.970
The police can stop activists
intent on disruption

00:40:14.970 --> 00:40:16.150
before they can strike.

00:40:18.790 --> 00:40:22.190
- I will not be deterred by
the new public order bill.

00:40:22.190 --> 00:40:25.850
I will be on the streets
protesting for my life

00:40:25.850 --> 00:40:27.470
and for the lives of
everyone around the world.

00:40:39.730 --> 00:40:42.950
- Not
- Live a democracy in the

00:40:42.950 --> 00:40:45.150
- Fundamental right in a democracy

00:40:46.130 --> 00:40:49.390
to make poll police away rights.

00:40:49.390 --> 00:40:51.390
Protest is being taken away in the

00:40:51.390 --> 00:40:53.050
middle of a climate crisis.

00:40:53.050 --> 00:40:56.990
Our government doesn't care about us in

00:40:56.990 --> 00:40:58.210
- Democracy.

00:40:58.210 --> 00:40:59.550
You do not live in a democracy.

00:41:00.990 --> 00:41:03.780
Peaceful protest is a fundamental rights

00:41:03.780 --> 00:41:04.910
that has been taken away.

00:41:07.560 --> 00:41:10.690
- Right, right. Each right to
move to protest on the road.

00:41:10.690 --> 00:41:14.980
We are saying that because
this right 12 is in place.

00:41:14.980 --> 00:41:16.340
Yeah, well it was in 12 in

00:41:16.340 --> 00:41:18.050
because this section twelve's in place.

00:41:18.050 --> 00:41:19.810
It means that if you
don't come off the roads

00:41:19.810 --> 00:41:22.860
and protest on the pa then it
could have result in arrest.

00:41:22.860 --> 00:41:25.130
Yeah. But it was serious disruption.

00:41:25.130 --> 00:41:26.890
Now it's minor disruption.

00:41:26.890 --> 00:41:31.390
So it, for everybody that's
ever march, nobody's gonna

00:41:36.850 --> 00:41:38.000
- Gonna have to arrest you

00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:39.220
if you're not gonna come off the road.

00:41:39.220 --> 00:41:40.520
Do you understand that? Yes.

00:42:12.640 --> 00:42:15.930
- It's four o'clock in the
morning and I'm at Ccad Circus

00:42:16.990 --> 00:42:19.330
and I'm going to be filming
the coronation today.

00:42:21.590 --> 00:42:24.030
- All you could do is put the
t-shirt inside your jumper

00:42:24.030 --> 00:42:25.290
and then, then you can able

00:42:25.290 --> 00:42:27.410
to get it on without anyone noticing.

00:42:27.410 --> 00:42:29.120
Yeah. Yeah. Cool.

00:42:29.120 --> 00:42:30.300
When it comes to the moment,

00:42:30.300 --> 00:42:32.230
we're just gonna keep it silent.

00:42:32.230 --> 00:42:34.000
Do what? We're just gonna keep it silent

00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:35.360
when it comes to it Silent.

00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:37.290
Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah that

00:42:39.080 --> 00:42:40.080
- Yeah.

00:42:40.080 --> 00:42:41.320
I've been a little bit
apprehensive I have to say.

00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:43.490
It's a big news isn't it? Wow. And

00:42:45.220 --> 00:42:46.790
- First week was really good start

00:42:46.790 --> 00:42:48.510
and then the really built on it this week

00:42:48.510 --> 00:42:51.030
and the law change came in

00:42:51.030 --> 00:42:53.730
and now gone for the
first arrest on Wednesday.

00:42:57.050 --> 00:43:00.140
There you go. That's got your
t-shirt in there as well.

00:43:00.140 --> 00:43:01.840
That's got your, your t-shirt

00:43:01.840 --> 00:43:03.340
and then the flag flag for later.

00:43:03.340 --> 00:43:05.080
So you just stuff out in the pocket. Okay.

00:43:07.100 --> 00:43:10.930
Luke and I will signal like
to, to kind of get ready

00:43:10.930 --> 00:43:13.190
and then we'll pull all the flags up just

00:43:13.190 --> 00:43:15.010
before the carriages get like gets to it.

00:43:15.010 --> 00:43:16.190
So you get, you get the shot

00:43:16.190 --> 00:43:18.520
with like Charlie boy in the background.

00:43:18.520 --> 00:43:20.520
We're not gonna approach the barriers.

00:43:20.520 --> 00:43:22.160
We're not gonna like, because I think

00:43:22.160 --> 00:43:23.680
we're not gonna be against the barriers.

00:43:23.680 --> 00:43:25.330
We're gonna try and be like close.

00:43:25.330 --> 00:43:27.810
But what I'm saying is
we're not gonna look,

00:43:27.810 --> 00:43:29.510
no one's gonna be
attempting to get over them.

00:43:34.170 --> 00:43:36.990
- The coronation day is here. Make sure

00:43:50.410 --> 00:43:51.690
- Why are you
- Threatening on,

00:43:51.690 --> 00:43:53.170
so you're under arrest at at the moment.

00:43:53.170 --> 00:43:55.370
I'm understanding here.
Lemme explain to you.

00:43:55.370 --> 00:43:59.510
So at the moment I'm in any
bag here. You're scared. Okay.

00:43:59.510 --> 00:44:01.550
There's no to be frightened, right?

00:44:01.550 --> 00:44:04.570
So at the moment you're under
arrest for breach, right?

00:44:04.570 --> 00:44:08.610
You've gone to and group
here possession of paint.

00:44:08.610 --> 00:44:10.010
We need to cause evident damage

00:44:10.010 --> 00:44:11.830
to the roadside for the coronation.

00:44:11.830 --> 00:44:13.030
All right? So that's
why you're under arrest.

00:44:13.030 --> 00:44:16.350
This is our last un to be,
you'll be searched If at

00:44:16.350 --> 00:44:18.110
that point I'm satisfied that
you're not part of this group

00:44:18.110 --> 00:44:19.830
that we've got here and it's nothing to do

00:44:19.830 --> 00:44:20.950
with you, you'll be de arrested.

00:44:20.950 --> 00:44:22.190
All right? But until
that moment you remain

00:44:22.190 --> 00:44:23.230
under arrest for a breach of peace.

00:44:23.230 --> 00:44:24.230
Do you understand that?

00:44:43.070 --> 00:44:44.890
- It was crazy. It was nuts.

00:44:44.890 --> 00:44:46.690
I was in handcuffs for like three hours.

00:44:47.530 --> 00:44:49.970
I was dozing just like
quietly under a tree

00:44:49.970 --> 00:44:51.050
when the police swooped in.

00:44:51.050 --> 00:44:52.830
I started arresting people

00:44:52.830 --> 00:44:55.560
and then I'm arrested
for breach of the peace.

00:44:55.560 --> 00:45:00.370
It's like police state kind
of stuff. It's so Orwellian.

00:45:00.370 --> 00:45:04.000
I was arrested for a crime
I might in the future

00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:05.490
that I wasn't intending to.

00:45:06.640 --> 00:45:08.850
This is peaceful protest in the UK

00:45:22.630 --> 00:45:23.950
- We are demanding an end

00:45:23.950 --> 00:45:27.600
to all new oil casting,
coal license thing.

00:45:27.600 --> 00:45:31.110
There's no point of farming
if you can't buy anything.

00:45:31.110 --> 00:45:32.110
We set.

00:45:33.980 --> 00:45:37.360
- Bruce, thank you very much.
- I've just had a,

00:45:37.360 --> 00:45:39.160
I've just had a reply from Trudy.

00:45:39.160 --> 00:45:42.210
Today's her deadline, her
14 day deadline. Okay.

00:45:42.210 --> 00:45:45.530
Her 14 day deadline is to
reply to the attorney general.

00:45:45.530 --> 00:45:47.490
I must be terrifying. Okay,

00:45:47.490 --> 00:45:50.430
well we won't be filming
Trudy today then let's go

00:45:50.430 --> 00:45:51.690
and find Jody

00:45:54.600 --> 00:45:56.840
- On the run up to the coronation.

00:45:56.840 --> 00:46:00.480
The public court act was passed on one day

00:46:00.480 --> 00:46:04.280
and it commenced 10 elements
of it commenced 10 hours later.

00:46:04.280 --> 00:46:06.080
And so the actual practicalities

00:46:06.080 --> 00:46:08.600
of the government are
doing x have passed X.

00:46:08.600 --> 00:46:11.140
And how does that filter
down to, you know,

00:46:11.140 --> 00:46:12.800
police operations?

00:46:12.800 --> 00:46:13.860
It really begs the question

00:46:13.860 --> 00:46:17.260
of whether police understand
the powers, know how

00:46:17.260 --> 00:46:20.640
to operationalize them and that that's

00:46:20.640 --> 00:46:21.740
before we even get

00:46:21.740 --> 00:46:25.210
to the part about the enormous
discretion they're afforded.

00:46:25.210 --> 00:46:26.210
- Good
- Morning. So

00:46:26.210 --> 00:46:28.900
- I think am since the
coronation, were you expecting to

00:46:28.900 --> 00:46:30.140
- Get arrested?

00:46:30.140 --> 00:46:32.520
- I expected the moment that
we got our orange flags out

00:46:32.520 --> 00:46:33.980
for them to pounce on us.

00:46:33.980 --> 00:46:37.040
I wasn't quite expecting
to get nicked two hours

00:46:37.040 --> 00:46:38.740
before the king was even meant

00:46:38.740 --> 00:46:40.560
to pass the place where we were.

00:46:40.560 --> 00:46:42.700
But I ended up being arrested
for four different things.

00:46:45.560 --> 00:46:47.980
The first thing I was registered
on was breach of the peace.

00:46:50.540 --> 00:46:52.020
I just decided to go fluffy.

00:46:52.020 --> 00:46:53.920
I let all of my body weight go

00:46:53.920 --> 00:46:56.720
and they sort of started
trying to pick me up.

00:46:56.720 --> 00:46:58.500
But once they realized
they couldn't, they sort

00:46:58.500 --> 00:46:59.580
of just laid me on the floor

00:46:59.580 --> 00:47:03.620
and further arrested me
for obstruction in the uk.

00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:09.540
And then when we got to the
van, I was further arrested

00:47:09.540 --> 00:47:13.060
for conspiracy to cause criminal
damage despite no evidence

00:47:13.060 --> 00:47:15.600
of any equipment to cause criminal damage.

00:47:15.600 --> 00:47:19.440
And then once we got to the
police station, I had my police,

00:47:19.440 --> 00:47:21.280
the arresting officer coming to my cell

00:47:21.280 --> 00:47:24.720
and tell me that I was now
further arrested for conspiracy

00:47:24.720 --> 00:47:26.610
to commit a public nuisance.

00:47:26.610 --> 00:47:29.980
- They were all rearrested for conspiracy

00:47:29.980 --> 00:47:32.060
to cause public nuisance.

00:47:32.060 --> 00:47:33.860
- The events of the co coronation

00:47:33.860 --> 00:47:37.620
and the real like, kind
of multilayered nature of

00:47:37.620 --> 00:47:41.000
who was criminalized really
speaks to the, to the kind

00:47:41.000 --> 00:47:42.980
of daily harms of, of this legislation

00:47:42.980 --> 00:47:44.820
and how that will kind of evolve.

00:47:44.820 --> 00:47:47.860
And I think the uplifting of charges

00:47:47.860 --> 00:47:49.760
to public nuisance is something

00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:51.940
that we've seen a lot increasingly.

00:47:51.940 --> 00:47:54.520
And because of the amendments

00:47:54.520 --> 00:47:56.980
that offense within the policing act,

00:47:56.980 --> 00:47:58.920
the maximum tariff for that is 10 years.

00:48:00.060 --> 00:48:02.180
The catchall nature of it

00:48:02.180 --> 00:48:07.180
is then deeply terrifying roundabouts

00:48:08.960 --> 00:48:11.340
- And everything because
we'd stopped doing them.

00:48:11.340 --> 00:48:12.800
And I thought, shit, take all

00:48:12.800 --> 00:48:14.140
these people around a roundabout.

00:48:14.140 --> 00:48:15.680
I'm, I'm very glad we've got Sam for this

00:48:15.680 --> 00:48:19.160
because he's the most
experienced, won't last long.

00:48:20.650 --> 00:48:24.680
I doubt it. No, we won't last
long before the section 12.

00:48:24.680 --> 00:48:26.370
- Yeah. So yeah. So seventh week now.

00:48:30.820 --> 00:48:32.990
Right. So just going
through the numbers again.

00:48:32.990 --> 00:48:37.990
So we've got 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.

00:48:38.100 --> 00:48:41.910
Great. That's plenty. How are
you? How am I? I'm, I'm good.

00:48:41.910 --> 00:48:44.090
I'm good. Yeah. How you
feeling about this action?

00:48:46.050 --> 00:48:50.610
I am feeling excited. Yeah.
Yeah. Why are you feeling?

00:48:50.610 --> 00:48:54.950
'cause it's a big road and
there's lots of lanes. Yeah.

00:48:54.950 --> 00:48:56.930
And it's, yeah, it'll
be quite epic I think.

00:49:00.310 --> 00:49:02.670
So it's gonna be quite
something doing this one,

00:49:02.670 --> 00:49:03.780
it was gonna be really intense.

00:49:03.780 --> 00:49:05.840
We're gonna take all of the lanes.

00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:08.570
Yeah, we're gonna take all of
the lanes, which means that,

00:49:08.570 --> 00:49:10.010
that's why we've got lots of banners.

00:49:10.010 --> 00:49:11.650
So we can string out into one wig line.

00:49:13.150 --> 00:49:15.750
At its narrowest it's six, it's two lanes.

00:49:15.750 --> 00:49:20.590
At it's most wide it's six,
but it's not for very long

00:49:20.590 --> 00:49:22.880
and for quite a lot of it it's just four.

00:49:22.880 --> 00:49:24.500
Four. It's gonna be a breeze.

00:49:24.500 --> 00:49:26.930
- Right back. Banners. Are
you all ready? Green line.

00:49:26.930 --> 00:49:30.280
Okay, let's go. Banners
all the back. I think so.

00:49:30.280 --> 00:49:33.200
Back banner, back here in a
line with the others. Okay.

00:49:33.200 --> 00:49:34.200
Okay guys,

00:49:37.430 --> 00:49:37.850
- That's

00:49:42.400 --> 00:49:43.570
move forward slowly.

00:49:43.570 --> 00:49:46.050
Everyone breathe deep on this.

00:49:54.910 --> 00:49:56.270
- This is a hairy one.

00:49:56.270 --> 00:50:00.160
This is a very spicy one for
you to do. Yeah, here we go.

00:50:01.500 --> 00:50:02.500
Always do that.

00:50:31.780 --> 00:50:32.960
- Why
- Are you doing really well?

00:50:35.080 --> 00:50:36.840
I I I kind of went after him

00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:40.000
because I was worried
to say, oh, oh's coming.

00:50:45.570 --> 00:50:47.270
- You need to move onto the pave.

00:50:48.120 --> 00:50:52.040
- Excuse me. Can I, Maggie,
can you talk to me please?

00:50:52.040 --> 00:50:54.290
Hi Sam. Do you want me to stay in here?

00:50:54.290 --> 00:50:56.260
Keep, keep that for now
until we get to the light.

00:50:57.290 --> 00:50:59.600
Section 12 been applied, get to the,

00:50:59.600 --> 00:51:03.660
and then we'll get people out thing.

00:51:03.660 --> 00:51:05.160
Likely I'm gonna get arrested.

00:51:05.160 --> 00:51:06.500
So can you lead him by get arrested

00:51:09.480 --> 00:51:12.460
If anyone doesn't wanna get
arrested, leave the road now

00:51:16.120 --> 00:51:17.120
- You okay?

00:51:22.920 --> 00:51:24.840
- You okay? Okay. Yeah. We love you Sam.

00:51:24.840 --> 00:51:25.940
We love you. That's why

00:51:25.940 --> 00:51:26.940
- We're here.

00:51:26.940 --> 00:51:31.300
Show we love you. What are you gonna do?

00:51:31.300 --> 00:51:32.380
Just get arrested marching.

00:51:32.380 --> 00:51:34.150
You might as well paint and build.

00:51:34.150 --> 00:51:36.920
- Nothing will stop us unless they listen.

00:51:41.040 --> 00:51:42.790
- Normally when they impose a section 12,

00:51:42.790 --> 00:51:45.220
they'll bring enough officers
to arrest the whole march.

00:51:45.220 --> 00:51:48.540
That's so true that they but
they impose a section 12.

00:51:48.540 --> 00:51:50.080
If we'd stayed out, they
Would've been after arrest.

00:51:51.170 --> 00:51:53.360
They wouldn't have, but they would've.

00:51:53.360 --> 00:51:56.290
But that was a fair few of us
who didn't want to get nicked.

00:51:56.290 --> 00:51:59.100
Yeah, I wouldn't have
minded today. Actually.

00:52:00.650 --> 00:52:04.170
What the police are doing
now is punishment by process.

00:52:04.170 --> 00:52:07.260
They're illegally arresting
us so that they can hold us

00:52:07.260 --> 00:52:09.940
and detain us and like stop
the process for the day.

00:52:09.940 --> 00:52:13.040
Yeah. And then releasing us
either on pre charge bail

00:52:13.040 --> 00:52:14.340
or under investigation.

00:52:15.560 --> 00:52:18.690
And it, it essentially
means that they can just

00:52:18.690 --> 00:52:22.200
wipe you off the road for
like 20 up to 24 hours

00:52:22.200 --> 00:52:25.040
and they don't really have
any repercussions for it.

00:52:25.040 --> 00:52:27.210
- But that's also what happened
with Coronation, right?

00:52:27.210 --> 00:52:29.660
- Yeah. Everyone from just
stop oil who was arrested,

00:52:29.660 --> 00:52:32.260
the coronation has been
released on pre-charge bail,

00:52:33.760 --> 00:52:36.740
but there was, there's no
evidence of anything for them

00:52:36.740 --> 00:52:38.820
to be supposedly investigating.

00:52:40.320 --> 00:52:41.460
You guys were fucking amazing.

00:52:42.360 --> 00:52:44.040
- I'm so proud of everyone.

00:52:44.040 --> 00:52:46.740
You were just so calm and so strong.

00:52:48.650 --> 00:52:51.720
Have 30 seconds to get
out of the road. Hello?

00:52:51.720 --> 00:52:53.460
- Do you understand what
these sergeants said?

00:52:53.460 --> 00:52:54.960
I understood what he said. Yeah. Yeah.

00:52:54.960 --> 00:52:57.020
But we have a right to be
in the road and protest.

00:52:57.880 --> 00:53:00.610
Do you understand that I'm
doing this for my grandchildren.

00:53:00.610 --> 00:53:03.570
That there has be no
sea ice in the arctics.

00:53:03.570 --> 00:53:05.620
It's coming you under arrest.

00:53:08.210 --> 00:53:10.960
Obviously no one is telling
the truth about the, the,

00:53:10.960 --> 00:53:12.720
the gravity of our situation.

00:53:12.720 --> 00:53:16.340
It is life or death.
We're losing the sea ice.

00:53:16.340 --> 00:53:19.120
I know that now we're gonna leave 2030.

00:53:19.120 --> 00:53:21.060
It was gonna be 20 and we lose it.

00:53:29.030 --> 00:53:31.350
What in the pavement when the pavement

00:53:31.350 --> 00:53:32.350
- Done?

00:53:32.350 --> 00:53:33.800
No closing clue on the pavement.

00:53:34.900 --> 00:53:36.000
- No really
- No

00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:37.700
- Pavement or any public?

00:53:37.700 --> 00:53:40.340
- No way. 'cause I, because
mine was just a roadway. You

00:53:40.340 --> 00:53:41.980
- My bail conditions are,

00:53:41.980 --> 00:53:46.160
and I'll I'll quote from the
actual bail conditions not

00:53:46.160 --> 00:53:47.940
to protest on any highway

00:53:47.940 --> 00:53:50.080
or public place in England and Wales.

00:53:51.140 --> 00:53:54.040
- I'm bailed without
conditions from the court for

00:53:54.040 --> 00:53:55.410
that offense yesterday.

00:53:55.410 --> 00:53:57.310
Which is, which is great.

00:53:57.310 --> 00:54:00.240
I've still got really terrible
bail conditions from the

00:54:00.240 --> 00:54:02.380
offense on Monday, which is not

00:54:02.380 --> 00:54:04.840
to protest in any roadway in the uk

00:54:06.260 --> 00:54:07.320
but it's not quite as bad

00:54:07.320 --> 00:54:10.100
as the bail conditions of these two.

00:54:10.100 --> 00:54:12.640
- So you can't mark, you can't protest

00:54:12.640 --> 00:54:13.640
- Anywhere.

00:54:13.640 --> 00:54:16.280
Court, I cannot protest
in any public place.

00:54:16.280 --> 00:54:18.840
IE protest is illegal for me.

00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:20.800
- I hadn't realized that the
conditions I was given on

00:54:20.800 --> 00:54:23.660
Monday are actually
caught bail conditions.

00:54:23.660 --> 00:54:25.920
And if you break those
they can be quite bad.

00:54:25.920 --> 00:54:27.180
They can put you on remand.

00:54:27.180 --> 00:54:29.660
And so I'm hugely relieved
that I'm not on remand.

00:54:29.660 --> 00:54:32.440
Now this still saying is very unlikely

00:54:32.440 --> 00:54:34.300
because the prisoners are just so full

00:54:34.300 --> 00:54:35.980
and the conditions are awful.

00:54:35.980 --> 00:54:38.320
So they're trying not to put
people on remand now. They

00:54:38.320 --> 00:54:40.140
- Weren't causing even a minor delay.

00:54:40.140 --> 00:54:43.200
So I was really shocked when
when I was arrested I was

00:54:43.200 --> 00:54:46.280
really shocked and I
assumed I would simply be

00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:47.520
de arrested at the police station.

00:54:49.220 --> 00:54:52.900
But not only was I not de
arrested, I was actually charged

00:54:52.900 --> 00:54:55.660
and given these draconian bail conditions.

00:54:55.660 --> 00:54:57.580
- Do you regret marching yesterday?

00:54:57.580 --> 00:54:59.620
- No. No. Absolutely not.

00:54:59.620 --> 00:55:01.280
- An I'm out. So we're

00:55:01.280 --> 00:55:02.320
just gonna go and have a cup of coffee.

00:55:04.070 --> 00:55:07.280
I've got a prison t-shirt this time. Yeah.

00:55:08.470 --> 00:55:10.830
- Nice T-shirt
- Bang. Yes.

00:55:10.830 --> 00:55:12.640
This is courtesy of

00:55:13.970 --> 00:55:16.040
it'll be his Majesty's
government now, isn't it?

00:55:17.250 --> 00:55:19.580
We're at a stage now where we,

00:55:19.580 --> 00:55:21.450
we do have to be taking risks.

00:55:21.450 --> 00:55:24.440
We're not gonna win by playing it safe.

00:55:25.520 --> 00:55:28.220
I don't want to necessarily
be put on remand

00:55:28.220 --> 00:55:29.780
if I don't have to be.

00:55:29.780 --> 00:55:31.200
So I don't know. It's like there's quite

00:55:31.200 --> 00:55:32.280
a lot to like navigate

00:55:33.330 --> 00:55:35.490
- Being on remand means

00:55:35.490 --> 00:55:38.590
- Being remand means you
are put in jail until

00:55:38.590 --> 00:55:42.680
your court date potentially
remand is being used as a form

00:55:42.680 --> 00:55:44.200
of like preemptive punishment now.

00:55:44.200 --> 00:55:45.680
And I think you can see that with, with

00:55:45.680 --> 00:55:47.600
how it was used following the Gantt trees.

00:55:53.020 --> 00:55:55.780
It wasn't beat because
people were a flight risk or,

00:55:55.780 --> 00:55:58.120
or that they were gonna be
doing it again necessarily.

00:55:58.120 --> 00:56:00.950
I think it was more get their
punishment in early. Yeah.

00:56:00.950 --> 00:56:05.790
This is all part of the, the
state incrementally making

00:56:05.790 --> 00:56:09.120
effective protest more
and more impossible.

00:56:10.180 --> 00:56:12.340
- You are risking your, your liberty

00:56:12.340 --> 00:56:14.280
that's clearly gonna
have an effect on your

00:56:14.280 --> 00:56:16.060
wife and your son.

00:56:16.060 --> 00:56:17.910
How do you balance that risk?

00:56:17.910 --> 00:56:21.120
- I've not done anything
particularly high stakes. So,

00:56:22.220 --> 00:56:23.990
- But the stakes have changed.

00:56:23.990 --> 00:56:25.860
- Well the, yeah I guess they're evolving

00:56:25.860 --> 00:56:30.850
but still, you know, breaking
a section 12 compared

00:56:30.850 --> 00:56:34.330
to the gantry actions
is, is very different.

00:56:34.330 --> 00:56:35.610
I mean I might be naive in this

00:56:35.610 --> 00:56:38.950
but I'm not risking jail
time with what I'm doing.

00:56:38.950 --> 00:56:41.690
And then that's one of the
great things about, so marching,

00:56:41.690 --> 00:56:44.510
it's a little bit more of an
accessible entry point than

00:56:44.510 --> 00:56:47.470
tanker surfing or going into a tunnel

00:56:47.470 --> 00:56:49.770
or climbing up front of gantry.

00:56:49.770 --> 00:56:53.070
I, it's got so much respect
for everyone who's done that.

00:56:53.070 --> 00:56:56.290
- The Heights team have
arrived to try and get me down.

00:56:57.840 --> 00:57:00.210
They think they're
getting me down to safety

00:57:01.390 --> 00:57:03.890
but it's just as dangerous
down there as it is up here

00:57:05.020 --> 00:57:07.210
until we stop new oil and gas.

00:57:09.200 --> 00:57:12.380
- So where does that end?
- All weather's winning.

00:57:12.380 --> 00:57:14.880
Preferably it's gonna end
as with whether it's winning

00:57:14.880 --> 00:57:17.860
or with, you know or
with greater repression.

00:57:58.470 --> 00:57:58.690
- The

00:58:05.420 --> 00:58:07.230
- Where did you get the puzzle from?

00:58:07.230 --> 00:58:09.270
We bought it inside. Right?

00:58:09.270 --> 00:58:12.630
So now they've banned, they
took immediately apparently

00:58:12.630 --> 00:58:14.130
all the puzzles out the shop.

00:58:17.610 --> 00:58:20.160
I made a decision to do a cultural action

00:58:20.160 --> 00:58:22.730
because I know that
action brings dialogue.

00:58:24.170 --> 00:58:27.090
I really didn't really enjoy jumping

00:58:28.160 --> 00:58:30.250
onto Leydon.

00:58:30.250 --> 00:58:34.170
I don't enjoy, oh yeah I'm gonna be

00:58:35.170 --> 00:58:39.910
arrested but I'll do it
again and again and again

00:58:39.910 --> 00:58:41.840
and again and again

00:58:41.840 --> 00:58:46.610
because it's a normal
rational response to,

00:58:46.610 --> 00:58:48.210
it's not a cult, it's science.

00:58:48.210 --> 00:58:50.010
It's science from all around the world.

00:58:50.010 --> 00:58:53.380
It's so rational, it's so

00:58:54.710 --> 00:58:59.070
obvious demand And also
it's gonna be a lot cheaper,

00:58:59.070 --> 00:59:01.860
more cleaner, more

00:59:01.860 --> 00:59:04.700
secure if we transition quickly.

00:59:04.700 --> 00:59:09.240
And that is the point. We've
got a very small window to

00:59:09.240 --> 00:59:10.470
transfer quickly.

00:59:10.470 --> 00:59:12.440
It's going faster than
people ever thought.

01:00:18.940 --> 01:00:20.760
- The going going to Parliament Square.

01:00:22.890 --> 01:00:25.840
Where else you gonna protest?
If not on the seat of power?

01:00:27.510 --> 01:00:29.600
They'll be stopped though.
They'll be stopped within minutes

01:00:31.710 --> 01:00:32.710
- Mark.

01:00:32.710 --> 01:00:34.080
They're gonna keep slow. Mark
there. Parliament Square.

01:00:35.270 --> 01:00:37.240
- Yeah I've got me body
worn on already up to sea

01:00:37.240 --> 01:00:39.200
that backing up around the square.

01:00:39.200 --> 01:00:40.840
Probably back over the
bridge and up down in street.

01:00:40.840 --> 01:00:42.730
I think it's about 40 to 50.

01:00:42.730 --> 01:00:44.940
- We're told that we
should go to Parliament

01:00:44.940 --> 01:00:45.960
and it's very difficult

01:00:45.960 --> 01:00:47.700
'cause we get arrested when we go there.

01:00:47.700 --> 01:00:50.960
So we decided to break up
into multiple groups so

01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:52.940
that we could stay
there for quite a while.

01:00:52.940 --> 01:00:54.680
So we, one group would go on.

01:00:54.680 --> 01:00:56.440
Believe I was the second group to go on.

01:00:56.440 --> 01:00:58.000
We actually stayed on for quite a while

01:00:59.180 --> 01:01:00.480
but like one group was ironing

01:01:00.480 --> 01:01:01.600
for like less than 30 seconds.

01:01:02.820 --> 01:01:04.080
- Ladies and gentlemen,

01:01:04.980 --> 01:01:06.680
I'm the senior officer on the crowds.

01:01:08.020 --> 01:01:10.640
I'm in closing and conditions
on this group under the

01:01:10.640 --> 01:01:12.750
section 12 of the Public Order Act.

01:01:12.750 --> 01:01:14.710
I've got load losses here doing nothing.

01:01:14.710 --> 01:01:17.000
I've got down here over the back.

01:01:18.030 --> 01:01:20.680
I've got p I've got four
people walking here.

01:01:23.660 --> 01:01:26.860
We all need to pick a
side off the road please.

01:01:26.860 --> 01:01:29.320
I'm off road please. What?

01:01:29.320 --> 01:01:30.320
You're under arrest for a book a

01:01:30.320 --> 01:01:31.360
high under six and 12 of public.

01:01:33.020 --> 01:01:35.730
- Did have to say defense.

01:01:35.730 --> 01:01:37.820
Sorry, are you just gonna
lock me up for, for weeks

01:01:37.820 --> 01:01:39.070
and months and, and years

01:01:39.070 --> 01:01:41.000
because I'm gonna be back here every

01:01:41.000 --> 01:01:43.160
- Day until we get our
government to listen.

01:01:44.600 --> 01:01:47.480
I believe it was two minutes
between theming the section 12

01:01:47.480 --> 01:01:51.220
and them they arresting me
and this was my second arrest.

01:01:51.220 --> 01:01:54.500
I'm 20 years old. I was not
breaking any bail conditions

01:01:54.500 --> 01:01:56.520
and when I was asking for the reasoning

01:01:56.520 --> 01:01:59.540
of being held overnight,
especially for a fine only offense

01:01:59.540 --> 01:02:01.360
so I could never go to prison for this.

01:02:01.360 --> 01:02:02.950
I could only ever be fined.

01:02:02.950 --> 01:02:05.500
They said it was because
I'm part of just stop oil

01:02:05.500 --> 01:02:09.060
and basically it's a
criminal organization.

01:02:09.060 --> 01:02:12.140
So they're keeping me for
me personally as well.

01:02:12.140 --> 01:02:15.180
There's something very
infuriating about this

01:02:15.180 --> 01:02:17.790
because I am a survivor of sexual assault,

01:02:17.790 --> 01:02:20.560
which I reported in beginning of January.

01:02:21.440 --> 01:02:23.200
I provided 10 to 15 witnesses

01:02:23.200 --> 01:02:26.140
and 130 screenshots all proving this.

01:02:26.140 --> 01:02:29.080
And the man that committed this has not

01:02:29.080 --> 01:02:30.580
even been charged yet.

01:02:30.580 --> 01:02:32.120
And they keep telling me it's

01:02:32.120 --> 01:02:35.040
because they're not sure that
prosecuting him is in the

01:02:35.040 --> 01:02:38.160
public interest and that
CPS has limited resources.

01:02:38.160 --> 01:02:40.580
Meanwhile, I'm here
being arrested, charged

01:02:40.580 --> 01:02:43.340
and seen for my first
hearing within 24 hours

01:02:43.340 --> 01:02:46.120
for walking in process fighter
parliament for three minutes.

01:02:47.410 --> 01:02:48.410
Thank you.

01:02:50.780 --> 01:02:52.890
- So on the 21st of April,

01:02:52.890 --> 01:02:57.890
extinction Rebellion had the
largest mass demonstration

01:02:58.020 --> 01:03:00.830
of environmentalists all
coming together to one place

01:03:00.830 --> 01:03:02.710
outside the houses of Parliament.

01:03:02.710 --> 01:03:05.870
They were there for three days, thousands

01:03:05.870 --> 01:03:07.390
of them and they were ignored.

01:03:10.400 --> 01:03:13.650
That for me was another
just nailing the coffin

01:03:13.650 --> 01:03:14.690
of why I do what I do.

01:03:15.630 --> 01:03:19.190
And after that then JSL
started our campaign again

01:03:19.190 --> 01:03:22.430
of mass disruption of
going all over the city

01:03:22.430 --> 01:03:24.650
and making our voices unignorable.

01:03:25.640 --> 01:03:27.480
And you know, since then

01:03:27.480 --> 01:03:30.820
we have been on every paper we've been in,

01:03:30.820 --> 01:03:33.060
every website we've
been on, every new site

01:03:37.890 --> 01:03:38.630
we or lose.

01:03:39.670 --> 01:03:42.500
I refuse to be on the
wrong side of history

01:03:42.500 --> 01:03:45.810
right now I'm sitting outside
of a building, Panco house

01:03:45.810 --> 01:03:49.450
and faucet house and people
look back on the silver Jets now

01:03:49.450 --> 01:03:52.210
and they say they were
good ignoring the fact that

01:03:52.210 --> 01:03:54.410
by modern standards they would
be considered terrorists.

01:03:55.280 --> 01:03:57.180
They did bombing campaigns.

01:03:57.180 --> 01:03:58.850
We've stayed completely nonviolent.

01:04:19.030 --> 01:04:20.510
- I think we've done really fucking well

01:04:20.510 --> 01:04:22.190
to end the week off on the bang.

01:04:22.190 --> 01:04:23.350
- You had a bit of a hairy time in

01:04:23.350 --> 01:04:24.630
Barron's court this week, didn't you?

01:04:25.510 --> 01:04:27.750
- Somewhat. We had one
person be sort of aggressive

01:04:27.750 --> 01:04:29.480
to push us out the way.

01:04:29.480 --> 01:04:32.470
Apart from that, all we had
was je coming from a window.

01:04:32.470 --> 01:04:34.570
I got hit with a bit of je shrapnel.

01:04:34.570 --> 01:04:36.050
Not the Chet itself,

01:04:36.050 --> 01:04:38.110
but when it, they were
flying with such a velocity

01:04:38.110 --> 01:04:39.110
that when they blew up,

01:04:39.110 --> 01:04:40.500
like when they hit the fucking floor,

01:04:40.500 --> 01:04:43.940
they just popped like
incredibly. It was amazing.

01:04:43.940 --> 01:04:46.550
- Only in Baron's Court do
you get attacked by Ches.

01:04:51.630 --> 01:04:53.950
- I do this 'cause I can't
imagine doing anything else.

01:04:55.610 --> 01:04:57.840
I can't imagine knowing

01:04:57.840 --> 01:05:01.130
what I know and doing nothing.

01:05:02.220 --> 01:05:03.630
We're fighting for our futures

01:05:03.630 --> 01:05:06.250
and fighting for my own right to grow old.

01:05:24.340 --> 01:05:27.870
- The Met Police have
posted this on their Twitter

01:05:27.870 --> 01:05:30.580
feed yesterday.

01:05:30.580 --> 01:05:32.480
We doubt a blow to j so's efforts

01:05:32.480 --> 01:05:33.960
to cause serious disruption.

01:05:34.800 --> 01:05:38.400
Officers arrested a
42-year-old man that's Ollie

01:05:39.480 --> 01:05:41.560
in Suffolk on suspicion of conspiracy

01:05:41.560 --> 01:05:42.980
to cause criminal damage.

01:05:44.140 --> 01:05:46.380
Numerous items were
seized that could be used

01:05:46.380 --> 01:05:47.480
to cause damage across London.

01:05:47.480 --> 01:05:50.290
And they've listed the items.
Are they allowed to do that?

01:05:50.290 --> 01:05:52.440
He's still in the police station.

01:05:52.440 --> 01:05:53.700
He hasn't had his plea hearing.

01:05:55.080 --> 01:05:58.130
- Yeah, so I've just been
released on unconditional bail.

01:05:59.120 --> 01:06:01.080
What is it, Saturday afternoon now?

01:06:01.080 --> 01:06:03.710
Yeah, Wednesday afternoon
there was a knock on my door

01:06:03.710 --> 01:06:06.790
and a policeman jumped
on me and handcuffed me

01:06:06.790 --> 01:06:11.750
and then 10 of them came
in and searched my house

01:06:11.750 --> 01:06:14.090
and then they took me to
Brixton Police station

01:06:14.940 --> 01:06:16.530
where I've been for like two

01:06:16.530 --> 01:06:20.480
and a half days in
connection with a garage.

01:06:20.480 --> 01:06:21.890
Yeah. And my name's on the lease.

01:06:21.890 --> 01:06:24.010
I mean this garage has been set up so

01:06:24.010 --> 01:06:25.730
that anyone can use it.

01:06:25.730 --> 01:06:28.850
I don't necessarily know
anything that's coming or going,

01:06:29.710 --> 01:06:31.490
but the police obviously very excited

01:06:31.490 --> 01:06:33.870
'cause they found all this
stuff and it's a big coup

01:06:33.870 --> 01:06:35.710
and apparently they were tweeting about it

01:06:35.710 --> 01:06:37.190
before it'd even been charged.

01:06:37.190 --> 01:06:39.470
And I mean I know this is the way it is,

01:06:39.470 --> 01:06:43.170
but like I'm astonished at
how much energy is going into

01:06:44.210 --> 01:06:45.850
criminalizing protests

01:06:45.850 --> 01:06:49.810
and how seriously these
matters are being taken while

01:06:51.590 --> 01:06:54.650
we just continue to
utterly fail on the climate

01:06:54.650 --> 01:06:55.850
and ecological disaster.

01:06:58.360 --> 01:07:00.030
I've been through the system

01:07:00.030 --> 01:07:03.170
and I feel emotionally
quite raw through being sent

01:07:03.170 --> 01:07:05.920
to prison, being hit
with injunctions, fines,

01:07:05.920 --> 01:07:08.710
community service, the
number of court dates,

01:07:08.710 --> 01:07:10.110
the amount of paperwork.

01:07:10.110 --> 01:07:12.630
But emotionally it's really affected me.

01:07:12.630 --> 01:07:14.400
So I haven't been doing any actions.

01:07:14.400 --> 01:07:16.970
I've thought I'll just
support people, help out

01:07:16.970 --> 01:07:19.750
behind the scenes, do like useful things.

01:07:19.750 --> 01:07:23.930
But it seems, you know, it is
part of the criminalization of

01:07:23.930 --> 01:07:27.050
peaceful protest is it's
not okay anymore just

01:07:27.050 --> 01:07:29.090
to arrest the people who are sort

01:07:29.090 --> 01:07:30.970
of sitting in the road all accountable.

01:07:30.970 --> 01:07:33.870
They want to go after
like anyone who's helping

01:07:33.870 --> 01:07:35.090
in any significant way.

01:07:36.050 --> 01:07:37.910
And I think there's a
really dangerous creep.

01:07:37.910 --> 01:07:39.770
And for example, the two
things I've been charged

01:07:39.770 --> 01:07:42.870
with are both like immediately

01:07:42.870 --> 01:07:44.990
my understanding is like
immediately having something

01:07:44.990 --> 01:07:47.150
and I'm gonna give it to someone else

01:07:47.150 --> 01:07:49.770
and then they're going
to go and do something.

01:07:49.770 --> 01:07:51.190
There's no plan here.

01:07:51.190 --> 01:07:53.590
I'm not like doing any of that stuff like,

01:07:53.590 --> 01:07:56.470
but it's these sort of
like vague catchall things.

01:07:56.470 --> 01:07:58.290
10 years is a maximum sentence

01:07:58.290 --> 01:08:00.530
for both the things I've
been charged with 10 years.

01:08:07.480 --> 01:08:09.210
- What I really did. Fucking take that

01:08:11.460 --> 01:08:12.550
- Here for your photo.

01:08:14.220 --> 01:08:15.220
I'll take your bags.

01:08:18.260 --> 01:08:20.240
- I've no a cigarette in
days. I want a cigarette.

01:08:20.240 --> 01:08:22.020
- We'll get you a cigarette, we'll get you

01:08:22.020 --> 01:08:23.020
- Food.

01:08:23.020 --> 01:08:25.620
Oh Deborah, I really hated that.

01:08:28.220 --> 01:08:33.160
- Oh they gave me three days
solitary fucking confinement.

01:08:34.340 --> 01:08:35.340
Oh,

01:08:37.180 --> 01:08:38.960
- So you weren't allowed your solicitor?

01:08:39.820 --> 01:08:43.080
- No. And it was like, oh,

01:08:43.080 --> 01:08:44.920
and there's my food from Saturday,

01:08:45.820 --> 01:08:47.760
my official Saturday food.

01:08:47.760 --> 01:08:49.700
I have all the time say, well
you're not gonna eat that.

01:08:49.700 --> 01:08:52.520
The ian vegan duck Deborah.

01:08:53.360 --> 01:08:55.310
- I know I'll never forgive myself.

01:08:55.310 --> 01:08:56.640
I'll never forgive myself.

01:08:57.920 --> 01:09:00.200
I accidentally gave him a real duck one.

01:09:01.540 --> 01:09:02.670
It's a long while ago.

01:09:03.690 --> 01:09:06.330
- The worst the judge
can do is find me guilty

01:09:06.330 --> 01:09:07.510
and gimme a fucking fine.

01:09:08.610 --> 01:09:12.750
Not a three day fucking
in the fucking shoe.

01:09:12.750 --> 01:09:14.230
I got no outside.

01:09:14.230 --> 01:09:15.950
I haven't been allowed
outside in three days.

01:09:15.950 --> 01:09:18.010
I haven't been allowed to
have a shower in three days.

01:09:18.010 --> 01:09:19.830
No, I fucking stink.

01:09:21.530 --> 01:09:24.790
I'm not amused if you've
just arrested somebody for

01:09:24.790 --> 01:09:25.970
what is a fineable offense.

01:09:25.970 --> 01:09:28.110
So I shouldn't be in in
police custody at all.

01:09:28.110 --> 01:09:30.410
I should be given a fine,
you put me in custody

01:09:30.410 --> 01:09:33.430
for three days with no
way of informing anybody.

01:09:33.430 --> 01:09:35.250
'cause you won't let me contact anyone.

01:09:35.250 --> 01:09:36.510
And now I'm not answering their bell.

01:09:36.510 --> 01:09:38.720
It was just like horrible.
I really hated it.

01:09:38.720 --> 01:09:40.990
Especially once I got like get away body.

01:09:42.100 --> 01:09:44.070
I've just got outta prison.
I haven't got the same vegan

01:09:44.070 --> 01:09:45.270
ethics as I did when I went in.

01:09:55.540 --> 01:09:58.990
- Were you expecting an a
negative outcome to the appeal?

01:10:00.900 --> 01:10:03.810
- Well, no. I was led to
believe by everyone in charge,

01:10:03.810 --> 01:10:07.190
the lawyers and that
that we, we could expect

01:10:08.110 --> 01:10:09.370
a significant reduction.

01:10:09.370 --> 01:10:11.790
So it was a, it was terrible shock.

01:10:11.790 --> 01:10:14.550
I had to go in and tell
Marcus I got the, got the news

01:10:15.410 --> 01:10:17.670
10 minutes before going
in to see him on a visit.

01:10:19.300 --> 01:10:22.810
I wasn't feeling very positive.

01:10:22.810 --> 01:10:24.380
Lots of people had led us to believe

01:10:24.380 --> 01:10:28.220
that they really thought
it would lead to something.

01:10:29.500 --> 01:10:31.300
I wasn't let into the main courtroom.

01:10:32.850 --> 01:10:35.310
It was a terrible mess up
where they, there was plenty

01:10:35.310 --> 01:10:38.590
of room in there, but
they wouldn't let me in.

01:10:38.590 --> 01:10:42.500
I was so furious. So we were
in this courtroom next door

01:10:42.500 --> 01:10:47.170
listening on a through terrible
speakers trying to hear it.

01:10:47.170 --> 01:10:50.780
And I just thought, here we go again.

01:10:50.780 --> 01:10:55.370
This is not a court of morals.
And I was proven right.

01:10:56.410 --> 01:11:01.410
I don't think those three
judges felt any power

01:11:01.430 --> 01:11:05.750
to be able to make a
decision that went against,

01:11:05.750 --> 01:11:07.490
as they put it, political will.

01:11:09.010 --> 01:11:11.870
So the new laws around the police crime

01:11:11.870 --> 01:11:14.160
and sentencing bill, the Public Law

01:11:14.160 --> 01:11:17.520
and Order Act, it's working
to silence protestors.

01:11:19.080 --> 01:11:21.000
I don't think it's
going to get them votes.

01:11:22.340 --> 01:11:27.340
And ultimately it's going to,
it's going to wreck the world

01:11:27.800 --> 01:11:32.640
and make a few people at the top very rich

01:11:32.640 --> 01:11:33.700
for a little bit longer.

01:11:37.940 --> 01:11:41.920
- Everyone is asking how long
I got left. Hello Marcus here.

01:11:41.920 --> 01:11:45.680
Day 3 52 in HP, high Point Prison.

01:11:45.680 --> 01:11:47.540
And I could have already been out

01:11:47.540 --> 01:11:50.800
and I could have left prison in June

01:11:50.800 --> 01:11:53.600
if I had accepted the deportation.

01:11:53.600 --> 01:11:57.280
But because I love Holly and her children

01:11:57.280 --> 01:12:01.400
and that's so important
to me, I have decided I'm,

01:12:01.400 --> 01:12:03.460
I'm taking all this extra prison time on.

01:12:19.920 --> 01:12:23.700
- Are - You the organizer?
Are you the organizer?

01:12:25.740 --> 01:12:27.580
Are you the organizer?

01:12:27.580 --> 01:12:28.000
You the

01:12:32.510 --> 01:12:32.800
what?

01:13:05.330 --> 01:13:08.420
- Last line. You are committing
an offense into section

01:13:08.420 --> 01:13:10.000
seven of Public Court Act.

01:13:10.000 --> 01:13:11.600
Are you willing to get on the road

01:13:11.600 --> 01:13:12.980
and protest on the side of the road?

01:13:14.560 --> 01:13:15.560
That's fine.

01:13:27.960 --> 01:13:32.290
- Last week, just oil
resumed the next phase

01:13:32.290 --> 01:13:33.890
of their slow marching campaign.

01:13:34.940 --> 01:13:37.640
And there were some
consequences that came from that

01:13:38.670 --> 01:13:39.960
that I'm quite shocked by.

01:13:41.950 --> 01:13:45.390
Instead of using section twelves
against them this time they

01:13:45.390 --> 01:13:46.920
used section seven.

01:13:47.910 --> 01:13:51.930
Section seven was part of
the new Public Order Act.

01:13:53.020 --> 01:13:55.780
This I believe is the first time

01:13:55.780 --> 01:13:58.790
that the Section seven has been used.

01:14:00.210 --> 01:14:03.150
An interesting sort of change
of tactics by the police.

01:14:04.170 --> 01:14:09.170
But what's shocking is Sam has ended up

01:14:09.450 --> 01:14:13.920
in Onesworth prison on remand for 28 days.

01:14:26.640 --> 01:14:31.130
- It's too much. Look,
this is what he did.

01:14:32.550 --> 01:14:33.970
No more fossil fuels.

01:14:35.330 --> 01:14:38.450
Peaceful, no more fossil fuels.

01:14:39.880 --> 01:14:44.180
And then he is ended up in
there. Oh, I knew I'd get upset.

01:14:46.020 --> 01:14:47.560
I can feel the rage

01:14:47.560 --> 01:14:48.560
- Now.

01:14:48.560 --> 01:14:51.070
Well there's been an important new change,

01:14:51.070 --> 01:14:54.560
which changes everything
really with section seven

01:14:54.560 --> 01:14:56.160
of the Public Order Act.

01:14:56.160 --> 01:14:58.580
So now if you march on an a, a

01:14:58.580 --> 01:15:00.820
or B road, they can deem you

01:15:00.820 --> 01:15:03.520
as a disturbing national infrastructure,

01:15:03.520 --> 01:15:04.880
say there's a lot less warning

01:15:04.880 --> 01:15:06.620
and these penalties are much worse.

01:15:07.520 --> 01:15:11.600
- He wasn't gonna say that he
was never ever, ever gonna do.

01:15:11.600 --> 01:15:13.340
- No, he didn't wanna lie,
did he? He wouldn't do

01:15:13.340 --> 01:15:14.340
- That.

01:15:14.340 --> 01:15:15.420
He didn't. He wouldn't
lie. He didn't wanna say

01:15:15.420 --> 01:15:17.720
that he would never protest again.

01:15:17.720 --> 01:15:21.780
So the judge just then said,
right, reminding you to prison.

01:15:25.530 --> 01:15:28.280
- We weren't expecting him to get out

01:15:28.280 --> 01:15:29.910
until his hearing on the 30th.

01:15:30.820 --> 01:15:32.490
It's about a week prior to that.

01:15:32.490 --> 01:15:35.430
And I've just heard that he
might be getting out on bail.

01:15:36.900 --> 01:15:38.180
- He was granted bail yesterday,

01:15:38.180 --> 01:15:40.980
but the court forgot to
submit the paperwork.

01:15:40.980 --> 01:15:43.060
So he was supposed to
be released last night.

01:15:43.060 --> 01:15:44.380
And now we've been here since the morning

01:15:44.380 --> 01:15:47.300
and hopefully he'll be released
by the evening tonight.

01:15:47.300 --> 01:15:48.440
And we're waiting just like

01:15:48.440 --> 01:15:51.890
that little port color store every time it

01:15:51.890 --> 01:15:53.100
opens either so slightly.

01:15:53.100 --> 01:15:57.140
We stand up like Meca and we
just wait to see his face.

01:15:57.140 --> 01:15:59.620
And it's not his face
that's shown up yet, so Ah,

01:15:59.620 --> 01:16:00.620
- Oh, the door's opening.

01:16:01.780 --> 01:16:04.580
- See it's opening all the
way. It's, it's gonna be a van.

01:16:04.580 --> 01:16:09.260
If it opens halfway, we've
got more trouble. Yeah.

01:16:09.260 --> 01:16:10.920
But he was absolutely a Guinea pig.

01:16:10.920 --> 01:16:12.460
That was that first week

01:16:12.460 --> 01:16:15.760
and yeah, that was quite unexpected.

01:16:16.620 --> 01:16:18.580
He intended on marching a few more times,

01:16:18.580 --> 01:16:19.830
that's for sure. Yeah.

01:16:19.830 --> 01:16:20.830
- Yeah.
- And

01:16:20.830 --> 01:16:22.680
- Was anyone expecting section sevens?

01:16:22.680 --> 01:16:24.860
'cause it was section twelves
in the 13 week campaign

01:16:24.860 --> 01:16:27.870
and then it suddenly switched. So

01:16:27.870 --> 01:16:30.720
- Yeah, I mean the whole, we
had been mobilizing people

01:16:30.720 --> 01:16:33.880
and doing legal briefings based on Oh,

01:16:33.880 --> 01:16:34.880
- The door.

01:16:34.880 --> 01:16:35.300
The door.

01:16:37.300 --> 01:16:37.840
- Oh my God.

01:16:51.100 --> 01:16:51.720
Oh my God.

01:16:55.660 --> 01:16:56.760
Oh, amazing.

01:16:58.580 --> 01:17:01.040
Oh, oh, thanks so much.

01:17:05.100 --> 01:17:05.880
Oh, that's amazing.

01:17:10.540 --> 01:17:11.600
Oh, thank you so much.

01:17:14.220 --> 01:17:17.620
- We were just talking about you. Oh,

01:17:17.620 --> 01:17:18.840
that's overwhelming. Thank

01:17:18.840 --> 01:17:19.840
- You so much.

01:17:26.760 --> 01:17:31.150
- That last little bit.
Oh, just get on with it.

01:17:34.770 --> 01:17:35.910
Oh, alright. Actually,

01:17:38.730 --> 01:17:41.210
the day I knew I was getting
out, I started a drawing

01:17:41.210 --> 01:17:44.910
of the, the wing from outside of my cell.

01:17:44.910 --> 01:17:47.890
I did a couple of drawings
of the, the cell as well,

01:17:47.890 --> 01:17:51.690
one on then using an a, an old
envelope with a window in it,

01:17:51.690 --> 01:17:54.690
and the window I'd used
for the prison door.

01:17:54.690 --> 01:17:57.850
And because it's a transparent
window, it was using that

01:17:57.850 --> 01:18:00.980
as a way of imagining what
it would be like when that

01:18:00.980 --> 01:18:03.430
door was open and what
it could be open onto.

01:18:04.670 --> 01:18:07.470
I got a piece of packaging
from a reading lamp.

01:18:07.470 --> 01:18:09.370
I drew on the insides of it

01:18:09.370 --> 01:18:11.050
and altered the proportions of the box.

01:18:11.050 --> 01:18:14.130
So it's, it was the same
proportions as a cell,

01:18:14.130 --> 01:18:17.590
so you could get a real sense
of the like spatial layout.

01:18:20.530 --> 01:18:22.940
We knew that this is
the direction of travel,

01:18:22.940 --> 01:18:27.270
that it's clear that the
police were gonna embrace this

01:18:28.370 --> 01:18:31.030
new, and from our point
of view, deeply repressive

01:18:31.030 --> 01:18:33.850
and authoritarian legislation.

01:18:33.850 --> 01:18:37.290
The shock for me was just
how willing the police are

01:18:37.290 --> 01:18:40.090
to use it and, and also the judiciary

01:18:40.090 --> 01:18:42.570
as they brought in this
custodial sentences

01:18:42.570 --> 01:18:45.700
so they can use remand as a,
as a preemptive punishment.

01:18:45.700 --> 01:18:48.030
There's no red line that
I crossed, you know,

01:18:48.030 --> 01:18:49.530
other people have crossed the same lines

01:18:49.530 --> 01:18:52.050
and have done multiple times since

01:18:52.050 --> 01:18:53.270
and haven't been remanded.

01:18:54.430 --> 01:18:57.700
I think remand can only be

01:18:57.700 --> 01:19:00.970
used legitimately when there
is a risk to the public.

01:19:00.970 --> 01:19:03.730
And we, we are nonviolent,

01:19:03.730 --> 01:19:06.350
we pose no physical risk to anybody.

01:19:09.010 --> 01:19:12.290
- What's going through your
head when you hear 28 days?

01:19:12.290 --> 01:19:15.780
- Ah, I just think that's
fucking insane, isn't it?

01:19:15.780 --> 01:19:16.830
It's just fucking insane.

01:19:18.010 --> 01:19:20.730
It was, yeah, I was definitely in shock.

01:19:20.730 --> 01:19:24.370
And then the process of
actually going to prison was,

01:19:24.370 --> 01:19:25.550
and getting booked in

01:19:25.550 --> 01:19:27.390
and everything was
pretty shocking as well.

01:19:28.490 --> 01:19:31.350
The guy who was booking me in
there couldn't stop laughing

01:19:31.350 --> 01:19:33.860
because he just seems to be so thrilled

01:19:33.860 --> 01:19:36.070
that just stop oil activists
were now getting in

01:19:36.070 --> 01:19:37.430
prison for slow marching.

01:19:39.830 --> 01:19:41.540
They asked me whether I'd ever set fire

01:19:41.540 --> 01:19:46.440
to another human being and,
and I thought, what the fuck?

01:19:47.460 --> 01:19:50.950
You know, why am I,
what, what place am I in

01:19:50.950 --> 01:19:53.940
that you would ask, you would
need to ask that question.

01:19:53.940 --> 01:19:56.900
And it's obviously because they
don't want put a psychopath

01:19:56.900 --> 01:19:58.320
in an cell with another person.

01:19:59.310 --> 01:20:01.240
Yeah, it scared the shit out of me.

01:20:04.820 --> 01:20:06.580
On the induction wing, there's noise

01:20:06.580 --> 01:20:07.740
pretty much all the time.

01:20:07.740 --> 01:20:10.390
People are angry and afraid.

01:20:10.390 --> 01:20:12.650
There's lots of people
banging their doors.

01:20:12.650 --> 01:20:14.230
There were a lot of fights.

01:20:14.230 --> 01:20:16.400
There's like just a simmering tension.

01:20:17.920 --> 01:20:19.520
- A year ago, could you ever have imagined

01:20:19.520 --> 01:20:21.260
that you'd be in this situation?

01:20:21.260 --> 01:20:23.830
- No, I never anticipated
it would be a possibility

01:20:23.830 --> 01:20:24.960
from slow marching.

01:20:24.960 --> 01:20:28.560
I thought we are peaceful and
then no, no threat to anyone.

01:20:30.060 --> 01:20:31.120
So we thought we would have

01:20:31.120 --> 01:20:33.320
to push a lot harder for this to happen.

01:20:33.320 --> 01:20:35.760
Unfortunately, that
wasn't, wasn't the case.

01:20:37.700 --> 01:20:40.840
The first thing that hit me was
just, just how small it was.

01:20:40.840 --> 01:20:45.680
I just couldn't see how two
people were going to live in

01:20:45.680 --> 01:20:47.700
that one space together.

01:20:47.700 --> 01:20:50.620
And the second thing that hit
me was just how filthy it was

01:20:50.620 --> 01:20:52.200
and, and then they closed the door on you.

01:20:58.900 --> 01:21:00.760
It, we have put a lot of pressure on,

01:21:01.840 --> 01:21:04.350
I don't think we're
gonna win at this stage.

01:21:04.350 --> 01:21:08.590
It's, but every time we go out

01:21:08.590 --> 01:21:10.460
it's another roll of the dice.

01:21:10.460 --> 01:21:12.780
You know, it's not as if
we haven't had successes,

01:21:12.780 --> 01:21:15.000
we have moved the
conversation on the long way,

01:21:16.820 --> 01:21:21.260
but it's hard and this campaign
has been taking a real toll

01:21:21.260 --> 01:21:22.700
on a lot of people now.

01:21:22.700 --> 01:21:25.440
- So you're not giving up?
- No. God no. No.

01:21:26.340 --> 01:21:28.120
You know, I'm not keen
to go back to prison,

01:21:29.340 --> 01:21:33.340
but it's a step that many are taking

01:21:33.340 --> 01:21:35.140
and it's an important one

01:21:35.140 --> 01:21:38.900
and it can be very eloquent,
especially if you choose it

01:21:38.900 --> 01:21:40.200
and it's unknown terms.

01:21:44.770 --> 01:21:47.540
We're not allowed to, to organize

01:21:47.540 --> 01:21:49.260
or participate in a procession

01:21:49.260 --> 01:21:52.720
or static assembly that's
related to just our oil.

01:22:02.380 --> 01:22:05.210
- Now celebrities are
weighing in on my case.

01:22:05.210 --> 01:22:07.460
Hello Marcus here from Hypo Prison.

01:22:07.460 --> 01:22:11.500
Day 4 68, and I don't know if you saw it,

01:22:11.500 --> 01:22:14.500
but there was a great article
in The Guardian on the weekend

01:22:14.500 --> 01:22:19.020
at Emma Thomas, Bob
Gerba, Olivia Coleman by

01:22:19.020 --> 01:22:21.240
and Jacob Collier, which
I'm most excited about.

01:22:22.500 --> 01:22:25.420
All supporting my, my calls and

01:22:25.420 --> 01:22:27.400
and hoping that the
deportation can be stopped.

01:22:28.360 --> 01:22:32.970
Particularly proud of Holly
who's done so much amazing work,

01:22:32.970 --> 01:22:34.180
Holly, on this project.

01:22:34.180 --> 01:22:36.860
But also another stuff with
the campaign, you know,

01:22:36.860 --> 01:22:39.080
giving the interview with
the Guardian really amazing.

01:22:40.100 --> 01:22:42.220
- I'm preparing for him to come back.

01:22:42.220 --> 01:22:44.630
And the 4th of February, ISN is in about

01:22:44.630 --> 01:22:46.150
four days time, I think, isn't it?

01:22:46.150 --> 01:22:51.150
Yeah, there's also been a
couple of interventions from un

01:22:51.670 --> 01:22:52.930
ur I believe.

01:22:54.440 --> 01:22:58.570
- Yeah, that's really, really good to see.

01:22:58.570 --> 01:23:02.950
The United Nations standing
up for Marcus specifically.

01:23:02.950 --> 01:23:06.220
Two un rapporteur have been in touch

01:23:06.220 --> 01:23:08.710
and they call them climate defenders,

01:23:08.710 --> 01:23:10.880
they call them human rights defenders.

01:23:11.820 --> 01:23:13.320
That's really heartwarming.

01:23:19.120 --> 01:23:20.650
- I've never done
anything like this before.

01:23:21.570 --> 01:23:24.550
Standing up on a platform like
this with loads of cameras

01:23:24.550 --> 01:23:26.510
and loads of people, you know, I,

01:23:26.510 --> 01:23:28.440
I'm out of my comfort zone.

01:23:28.440 --> 01:23:31.390
There's three really
important cases today.

01:23:31.390 --> 01:23:33.730
I'm actually calling it
a triple bill of tyranny.

01:23:34.710 --> 01:23:37.730
One is a case that's being
brought by the Good Law Project

01:23:39.030 --> 01:23:42.570
and Friends of the Earth
holding the government

01:23:42.570 --> 01:23:44.410
to account about them.

01:23:44.410 --> 01:23:46.730
Relinquishing the net zero policy

01:23:47.630 --> 01:23:51.530
one is obviously the
extradition of Julian assault

01:23:52.790 --> 01:23:56.470
and the third one is the
attorney general's attempt

01:23:56.470 --> 01:23:58.610
to remove the consent defense,

01:24:00.100 --> 01:24:04.590
which is the only defense
left to any protesters

01:24:04.590 --> 01:24:05.850
who do property damage.

01:24:23.280 --> 01:24:28.280
- What are you doing
- Against

01:24:28.410 --> 01:24:33.370
HSBC for the dealings with
fossil fuel industries?

01:24:34.270 --> 01:24:39.270
So they're just helping them

01:24:39.350 --> 01:24:42.410
to keep on destroying this planet.

01:24:44.390 --> 01:24:47.200
And yeah, so we're here to let them know

01:24:47.200 --> 01:24:49.030
that they've gotta stop it.

01:24:49.030 --> 01:24:52.710
- It is a defense that
they have been relying on

01:24:52.710 --> 01:24:54.890
and on, which juries have been acquit

01:24:55.790 --> 01:25:00.330
and if it goes, there will
be no defenses for protestors

01:25:01.990 --> 01:25:02.990
- At all.

01:25:02.990 --> 01:25:05.150
Anyway. Three times that I quitted

01:25:05.150 --> 01:25:07.910
and it's the power of the
people, the good sense

01:25:07.910 --> 01:25:09.870
of the people of this country.

01:25:09.870 --> 01:25:11.160
And I say thank you

01:25:11.160 --> 01:25:13.280
- Very much and for the people,

01:25:13.280 --> 01:25:14.950
because as I understand it,

01:25:14.950 --> 01:25:18.910
the Attorney general is
challenging a jury decision. Yes,

01:25:18.910 --> 01:25:20.010
- Yes, you are absolutely right.

01:25:20.010 --> 01:25:21.450
That's absolutely what's happening.

01:25:22.470 --> 01:25:24.970
The acquittal will still
stand for that person,

01:25:26.350 --> 01:25:29.370
but in future the defense will not be

01:25:29.370 --> 01:25:30.450
available to protest us.

01:25:31.380 --> 01:25:36.380
- Thank you
- So much, Kathy. Now we've got Trudy.

01:25:36.400 --> 01:25:38.490
- Good luck Trudy.
- Thank you.

01:25:39.470 --> 01:25:41.930
And I now have a hearing
at the high court.

01:25:43.590 --> 01:25:47.810
Now this to me is the stuff of fiction.

01:25:49.120 --> 01:25:52.160
This is Kafka, this is Allwell,

01:25:52.160 --> 01:25:54.090
this is Russia, this is China.

01:25:55.080 --> 01:25:59.280
This is not the UK except

01:25:59.280 --> 01:26:01.920
that is the uk It's happening now.

01:26:01.920 --> 01:26:04.920
It's happening to a very
ordinary person like me.

01:26:06.220 --> 01:26:09.920
And a year ago I would not
have stood on a platform like

01:26:09.920 --> 01:26:12.760
this and spoken to this kind of a crowd.

01:26:14.000 --> 01:26:17.460
I was said it was completely
impossible for me to do it.

01:26:17.460 --> 01:26:19.960
But the attorney general
has brought me here.

01:26:21.010 --> 01:26:22.780
Thank you very much.

01:26:22.780 --> 01:26:25.600
We have a triple bill
of tyranny here today

01:26:26.580 --> 01:26:30.870
and I hope that we can hold
these courts to account.

01:26:30.870 --> 01:26:32.600
They are our courts.

01:26:37.130 --> 01:26:37.600
- Thank you.

01:27:00.540 --> 01:27:02.670
- I'm on my way to Holly's house

01:27:02.670 --> 01:27:05.000
because I'm going to meet Marcus

01:27:05.980 --> 01:27:08.980
if he's finally being
released on condition

01:27:08.980 --> 01:27:09.980
- In prison.

01:27:11.380 --> 01:27:14.720
Marcus came out of prison about
seven weeks ago now. Right.

01:27:16.860 --> 01:27:20.520
And two and a half months.
Got down on one knee.

01:27:21.510 --> 01:27:22.800
- Wait, wait, did I just hear the

01:27:22.800 --> 01:27:23.960
words got down in one knee?

01:27:23.960 --> 01:27:24.960
Yeah, you did.

01:27:25.840 --> 01:27:29.920
- I did. That's the ring I made
in prison for a copper wire.

01:27:29.920 --> 01:27:30.880
And I made another, where's

01:27:30.880 --> 01:27:32.880
yours? Don't you want to show it?

01:27:32.880 --> 01:27:33.840
- I don't know where it is.

01:27:33.840 --> 01:27:35.040
I thought you'd put them together. Just,

01:27:35.040 --> 01:27:36.460
- Just the ones we're wearing now

01:27:36.460 --> 01:27:41.420
- We went to buy these,
- This is a GPS tag, which tra

01:27:41.420 --> 01:27:44.450
tracks me every day where I go.

01:27:44.450 --> 01:27:47.340
These are all, these are
all bits from my cell wall

01:27:47.340 --> 01:27:48.900
84 and facing jail.

01:27:48.900 --> 01:27:50.960
Me the radical pensioners of just the oil.

01:27:52.210 --> 01:27:56.710
And my, my friend, my friend
from prison who cut this out

01:27:56.710 --> 01:27:59.430
of his newspaper wrote
first they laugh at you,

01:27:59.430 --> 01:28:01.870
then they hate you and
then you win Gandhi.

01:28:03.650 --> 01:28:06.760
This was the highest
protest of removal incident

01:28:06.760 --> 01:28:09.840
was a quote from the
protest removal team leader.

01:28:09.840 --> 01:28:13.250
So the highest. So they
were all quite impressed

01:28:13.250 --> 01:28:14.530
with what we did there.

01:28:14.530 --> 01:28:16.340
Lots of the officers apparently arrived

01:28:16.340 --> 01:28:18.120
and said, I'm not going up there.

01:28:18.120 --> 01:28:20.530
- But you were up there, what, 37 hours?

01:28:20.530 --> 01:28:22.340
- Yeah, yeah, 37 hours.

01:28:23.570 --> 01:28:25.930
Including fireworks being shot at us.

01:28:25.930 --> 01:28:28.780
Well, I didn't see him. I
was, I was asleep. I Oh, okay.

01:28:28.780 --> 01:28:30.100
Didn't hear them. I found out about

01:28:30.100 --> 01:28:31.690
- How sleep up there.

01:28:31.690 --> 01:28:33.500
- Well
- You just can,

01:28:33.500 --> 01:28:34.500
- I can.

01:28:34.500 --> 01:28:35.380
Morgan was awake. He heard them.

01:28:35.380 --> 01:28:37.380
I was a bit worried once I
found out whether, you know,

01:28:37.380 --> 01:28:40.000
they could have melted
some ropes or whatever

01:28:40.000 --> 01:28:41.460
or burned a hole to the hammock

01:28:41.460 --> 01:28:44.720
and then he suddenly dropped
in the middle of the night.

01:28:44.720 --> 01:28:47.460
If the media was telling
the truth about the severity

01:28:47.460 --> 01:28:50.980
and the urgency of the crisis
like there were once COVID was

01:28:50.980 --> 01:28:52.260
accepted, you know, the fact

01:28:52.260 --> 01:28:54.610
that it costs our neighbor's lives,

01:28:54.610 --> 01:28:56.720
then they started reporting
on it every single

01:28:56.720 --> 01:28:58.120
day, every single hour.

01:28:58.120 --> 01:29:00.780
And everyone was being
made aware of the issue

01:29:00.780 --> 01:29:02.260
and what to do about it

01:29:02.260 --> 01:29:03.740
and how to save your neighbor's lives.

01:29:03.740 --> 01:29:05.550
And we could do the same thing again.

01:29:05.550 --> 01:29:07.980
It's just that the media are not doing it.

01:29:07.980 --> 01:29:11.600
And so the vast majority
of people aren't thinking

01:29:11.600 --> 01:29:14.760
and acting as if the
truth was real about the

01:29:14.760 --> 01:29:16.020
climate ecological emergency.

01:29:16.020 --> 01:29:17.460
And, and

01:29:17.460 --> 01:29:20.710
and being able to, to
speak in front of a jury

01:29:20.710 --> 01:29:23.880
felt like the pinnacle of
my life of being able to

01:29:24.980 --> 01:29:27.110
tell the truth and act
as if the truth was real.

01:29:29.940 --> 01:29:31.870
- This is what, a year since we were

01:29:31.870 --> 01:29:33.370
outside the old Bailey last time

01:29:33.370 --> 01:29:35.810
or it's just over a year. Yeah.

01:29:35.810 --> 01:29:37.840
- And what are we doing today?

01:29:37.840 --> 01:29:41.490
We're going today to the high court

01:29:41.490 --> 01:29:42.670
for a permission hearing.

01:29:43.690 --> 01:29:46.650
My understanding is the
government lawyers ask

01:29:46.650 --> 01:29:49.990
for permission to proceed to prosecution

01:29:50.930 --> 01:29:52.390
for me for contempt of court.

01:29:55.130 --> 01:29:55.480
Right.

01:30:00.940 --> 01:30:05.230
Is this the web, is this an enormous web,

01:30:05.230 --> 01:30:07.520
like an enormous spider's web?

01:30:07.520 --> 01:30:09.920
A very sticky one and
I'm a little fly in it.

01:30:09.920 --> 01:30:13.950
- I see the very aggressive
prosecution of your case.

01:30:13.950 --> 01:30:16.830
It's about crushing defiance.

01:30:16.830 --> 01:30:20.700
It's about crushing the
will of those who are trying

01:30:20.700 --> 01:30:23.040
to protect our children's futures.

01:30:24.700 --> 01:30:27.140
- I'm supposed to be caught at 10. Okay.

01:30:27.140 --> 01:30:29.320
So we should think about heading up then.

01:30:29.320 --> 01:30:31.400
- Democracy is not a, an event

01:30:31.400 --> 01:30:32.790
that happens every five years,

01:30:32.790 --> 01:30:36.750
but a process you have to
respect the right to protest and,

01:30:36.750 --> 01:30:40.050
and, and we are seeing a massive, massive

01:30:40.050 --> 01:30:41.800
pullback in the space

01:30:41.800 --> 01:30:45.350
that the criminal law
allows for protestors.

01:30:45.350 --> 01:30:48.070
The way in which climate change
protests are being policed

01:30:48.070 --> 01:30:52.490
is, is extraordinary public there.

01:30:52.490 --> 01:30:54.130
Your your pan club

01:30:58.460 --> 01:30:59.370
spike to movement.

01:31:03.580 --> 01:31:04.690
- Thank you all so much.

01:31:09.410 --> 01:31:10.410
I am

01:31:15.420 --> 01:31:19.420
- Today we find out whether
the solicitor general,

01:31:19.420 --> 01:31:21.930
who's the second most senior
government lawyer in the

01:31:21.930 --> 01:31:26.930
country, gets permission to
bring a full case to imprison

01:31:27.340 --> 01:31:29.410
Trudy Warner for contempt of court.

01:31:30.270 --> 01:31:31.530
- Do you have any sense of

01:31:31.530 --> 01:31:34.030
what might happen today,
what the outcome might be?

01:31:34.030 --> 01:31:36.740
- On the one hand it feels like everybody

01:31:36.740 --> 01:31:38.670
knows this is absurd.

01:31:38.670 --> 01:31:42.650
We had 700 people last
week holding the same sign

01:31:42.650 --> 01:31:45.170
that Trudy held around every
crown court in the country.

01:31:46.470 --> 01:31:51.410
But then there's an inherent
conservatism in the courts,

01:31:51.410 --> 01:31:54.350
which must make it quite
tempting for a single judge,

01:31:54.350 --> 01:31:58.880
knowing how much is on the
line to pass the hot potato on

01:31:59.930 --> 01:32:03.490
and to allow a full court
to make a decision on this.

01:32:03.490 --> 01:32:06.550
So it feels to me as though
it's very much in the balance.

01:32:06.550 --> 01:32:07.710
I don't think anybody knows

01:32:07.710 --> 01:32:09.370
what the answer's gonna be today.

01:32:09.370 --> 01:32:10.370
- I'm ready
- For

01:32:10.370 --> 01:32:11.650
- Whatever happens today.

01:32:11.650 --> 01:32:12.590
Do you have any feeling

01:32:12.590 --> 01:32:13.790
of what you think, how it's gonna go?

01:32:15.630 --> 01:32:19.060
I go, I play tennis. You
know what if this happens?

01:32:19.060 --> 01:32:22.940
What if that happens? If, if we win today,

01:32:22.940 --> 01:32:26.040
we've won a battle, but
we haven't won the war.

01:32:31.880 --> 01:32:34.750
Nick, you are in looking.
Look at that. Get behind me.

01:32:34.750 --> 01:32:35.690
Get near behind me.

01:32:39.540 --> 01:32:43.210
Fight. Isn't that that was
worth it. That was worth it.

01:32:44.330 --> 01:32:45.330
I know. Wow.

01:32:47.190 --> 01:32:48.270
- We don't get
- This.

01:32:48.270 --> 01:32:50.570
- We do. No, we don't
really know what to do.

01:32:51.760 --> 01:32:55.330
What do we do now? We had a
judge say that we were right.

01:32:56.270 --> 01:32:58.570
Yes. And completely right.

01:33:06.630 --> 01:33:10.730
- A good result for Trudy today
and for for your campaign,

01:33:10.730 --> 01:33:14.340
but still for her to end up
here for writing this sign.

01:33:14.340 --> 01:33:16.290
What do you think it says for the, the,

01:33:16.290 --> 01:33:19.280
the atmosphere we're finding
ourselves in in Britain.

01:33:19.280 --> 01:33:22.490
- We're in a chilling atmosphere
in Britain at the moment.

01:33:22.490 --> 01:33:25.610
And it's wonderful news today.

01:33:25.610 --> 01:33:29.230
Not just for Trudy, not for the 700 people

01:33:29.230 --> 01:33:31.330
who held the same sign as Trudy last week,

01:33:31.330 --> 01:33:33.470
but also, you know, for democracy here.

01:33:33.470 --> 01:33:36.470
This is about what juries get to hear

01:33:36.470 --> 01:33:38.170
and not hear intervention.

01:33:39.140 --> 01:33:41.200
- Thank you so much. And it has

01:33:41.200 --> 01:33:43.340
have you celebrate someone nice today.

01:33:43.340 --> 01:33:44.340
Thank you.

01:33:49.170 --> 01:33:50.930
- I thought I would just feel relief.

01:33:51.810 --> 01:33:53.230
I thought it would just be relief,

01:33:53.230 --> 01:33:55.170
but it was, it wasn't just relief.

01:33:55.170 --> 01:33:59.480
I saw the other people's
faces and the thumbs going up

01:34:00.960 --> 01:34:04.180
and I just thought, oh no,
this is not just relief.

01:34:04.180 --> 01:34:06.620
This is actually joy. It's joy.

01:34:24.910 --> 01:34:26.650
- Are you, are you
detained us at this time?

01:34:26.650 --> 01:34:28.470
F1 is detained at this time. Okay.

01:34:28.470 --> 01:34:30.390
- At a moment at time is 1847. Okay.

01:34:30.390 --> 01:34:32.410
I'm placing you under arrest, causing

01:34:33.430 --> 01:34:35.520
to Okay.

01:34:35.520 --> 01:34:37.050
- I've come and have a suit.
- You don't have

01:34:37.050 --> 01:34:38.450
to say anything, but it may not offense if

01:34:38.450 --> 01:34:39.530
you not mention contact with some people.

01:34:43.270 --> 01:34:46.330
- Can I pick up my hoodie?
It's just in the kitchen.

01:34:49.880 --> 01:34:50.730
It's gray hoodie.

01:34:54.710 --> 01:34:58.760
Should be on the left, on the
back of the chair. That's it.

01:34:59.760 --> 01:35:04.760
Excellent. Hi Darren. Thanks
to you later. Love you.

01:35:05.030 --> 01:35:07.600
Love you too. Dozens

01:35:07.600 --> 01:35:10.060
of us have been arrested
on with no evidence.

01:35:10.060 --> 01:35:12.220
You know, these were
speculative intimidatory arrests

01:35:12.220 --> 01:35:14.440
for the fault crime of
thinking about taking action

01:35:14.440 --> 01:35:16.750
and protesting this summer at airports.

01:35:16.750 --> 01:35:18.120
They came at six o'clock in the morning

01:35:19.220 --> 01:35:21.000
and I was arrested, taken to the van

01:35:21.000 --> 01:35:23.820
and then they searched the
home and took away hard drives

01:35:23.820 --> 01:35:25.360
and my wife's laptop.

01:35:25.360 --> 01:35:27.400
Yeah, I was quietly fuming in the van

01:35:27.400 --> 01:35:29.820
with another officer listening
to the radio of, of, of,

01:35:29.820 --> 01:35:32.100
of raid after raid happening all over.

01:35:32.100 --> 01:35:35.580
So they were coordinated so
we couldn't warn anybody else.

01:35:35.580 --> 01:35:38.260
And I was, I was then taken
to a station, interviewed,

01:35:38.260 --> 01:35:39.960
they'd already said to my solicitor

01:35:39.960 --> 01:35:41.340
who was there, we have nothing.

01:35:41.340 --> 01:35:43.480
He will be bailed. We don't
really know what this is about.

01:35:47.060 --> 01:35:48.120
The raids are a powerful weapon

01:35:48.120 --> 01:35:49.500
because it, it plants a seed of,

01:35:49.500 --> 01:35:51.080
of you know, when will they knock next?

01:35:51.950 --> 01:35:53.030
Will it not be harder?

01:35:53.030 --> 01:35:54.640
Will they break the
down the door next time?

01:35:56.930 --> 01:35:59.860
- Does it make you more,
militant is the wrong

01:35:59.860 --> 01:36:01.340
word. Maybe that's the right word.

01:36:01.340 --> 01:36:04.080
- I think. I think determined.
Determined and defiant.

01:36:04.080 --> 01:36:06.180
And I think that's what those
are the things that we need

01:36:06.180 --> 01:36:07.180
to hold onto and

01:36:07.180 --> 01:36:09.220
and embrace is, is, is determination

01:36:09.220 --> 01:36:10.820
and defiance. That's
what we're gonna need.

01:36:11.720 --> 01:36:15.030
- A lot of people being
deterred, is it holding together?

01:36:15.030 --> 01:36:17.840
- It's holding together. But
you know, it's, it's a lot.

01:36:27.850 --> 01:36:31.700
It's a massive victory that
win on on our initial demand

01:36:32.600 --> 01:36:35.220
is a win for just up oil for
the whole climate movement.

01:36:36.100 --> 01:36:38.360
Everyone working together
has made that happen.

01:36:38.360 --> 01:36:40.420
That's just the initial no brainer is

01:36:40.420 --> 01:36:42.200
to stop any new projects.

01:36:42.200 --> 01:36:45.480
But now it's about stopping
any further extraction

01:36:45.480 --> 01:36:47.180
and stop the burning of these fuels

01:36:47.180 --> 01:36:49.590
and the, the consumption of them by 2030,

01:36:49.590 --> 01:36:51.360
which is a massively ambitious target,

01:36:51.360 --> 01:36:54.420
but it's just what the science
tells us we need to do.

01:36:55.360 --> 01:36:58.270
- So you haven't given up either
of you? No, definitely not.

01:36:58.270 --> 01:36:59.270
Definitely not.

01:37:01.040 --> 01:37:05.060
- Daniel Shaw and four other
just oil campaigners are on

01:37:05.060 --> 01:37:07.210
trial at suburb Crown Court.

01:37:07.210 --> 01:37:11.040
They're accused of conspiracy
to cause a public nuisance

01:37:11.040 --> 01:37:15.180
for orchestrating the M 25 gantry action.

01:37:30.630 --> 01:37:34.000
Judge Hay here is presiding over the case

01:37:34.000 --> 01:37:37.340
and the main piece of evidence
in the trial is an undercover

01:37:37.340 --> 01:37:39.980
recording of a zoom
meeting by a journalist

01:37:39.980 --> 01:37:42.440
for the son Scarlet Howes.

01:37:42.440 --> 01:37:46.380
The ethics of what she did
has caused a lot of disre

01:37:46.380 --> 01:37:48.500
amongst journalists and
the climate movement.

01:37:50.380 --> 01:37:54.990
- I think the single
biggest thing we have to

01:37:54.990 --> 01:37:59.280
when we're considering
doing civil expedience is

01:38:00.220 --> 01:38:02.140
the absolute time limit.

01:38:02.140 --> 01:38:06.620
We have to make effective
change on the climate along

01:38:06.620 --> 01:38:09.670
with all our system
movements around the world.

01:38:09.670 --> 01:38:12.860
- Roger Hallam is the co-founder
of Extinction Rebellion,

01:38:12.860 --> 01:38:14.780
insulate Britain and Josta Oil.

01:38:15.770 --> 01:38:19.560
Scarlet Howes passed on the
recording of that zoom meeting

01:38:19.560 --> 01:38:22.920
to the police and her reward

01:38:22.920 --> 01:38:26.720
was an exclusive invite from the Met

01:38:26.720 --> 01:38:28.020
to witness Roger's arrest.

01:38:44.870 --> 01:38:46.630
- I was literally in court at the point

01:38:46.630 --> 01:38:48.590
where Judge Seney gave his ruling.

01:38:48.590 --> 01:38:50.530
I heard it in my own ears.

01:38:50.530 --> 01:38:53.010
You are under arrest for the
offense of contempt of court.

01:38:53.010 --> 01:38:55.530
And I read it again and I've come along

01:38:55.530 --> 01:38:57.820
and I've done the thing
that a high court judge

01:38:57.820 --> 01:38:59.270
said you are allowed to do.

01:39:00.110 --> 01:39:04.130
And yet I've spent the day in
the cells here at the court.

01:39:05.380 --> 01:39:09.640
- So Justice Signy threw Trudy's case out.

01:39:09.640 --> 01:39:11.180
I know they're appealing

01:39:11.180 --> 01:39:13.120
but given that he's thrown it out,

01:39:13.120 --> 01:39:14.720
this seemed even more extraordinary

01:39:14.720 --> 01:39:16.010
that you've been arrested. No,

01:39:16.010 --> 01:39:18.900
- There were some people who
were holding up signs which are

01:39:18.900 --> 01:39:20.940
the same as Trudy's sign

01:39:20.940 --> 01:39:23.540
and there was one person
holding up a blank sign,

01:39:23.540 --> 01:39:25.440
but apparently the blank sign is okay,

01:39:26.540 --> 01:39:28.550
but the Trudy sign for
which there is a legal

01:39:28.550 --> 01:39:30.440
justification isn't okay.

01:39:31.440 --> 01:39:35.390
And the new signs which just
say an honestly held belief,

01:39:35.390 --> 01:39:37.180
they aren't okay either.

01:39:37.180 --> 01:39:39.860
- The new signs are
- The jury deserve

01:39:39.860 --> 01:39:41.240
to hear the whole truth.

01:39:42.630 --> 01:39:43.960
- Wait, wait, wait. That, that the

01:39:43.960 --> 01:39:46.000
whole truth, nothing but
the truth. So help me. Oh,

01:39:46.000 --> 01:39:47.000
- Where it's from?

01:39:47.000 --> 01:39:49.060
Yes. And we have bail conditions.

01:39:49.060 --> 01:39:51.240
We are not allowed anywhere
near the court within

01:39:52.160 --> 01:39:53.360
a certain area around here.

01:40:01.900 --> 01:40:03.280
- Is that one of the people who sitting

01:40:03.280 --> 01:40:04.280
- Down?

01:40:04.280 --> 01:40:05.400
- Yeah, he's been,

01:40:06.620 --> 01:40:10.720
- You've been identified
someone very similar to you

01:40:12.180 --> 01:40:15.940
who is wanting in
connection with obstruction

01:40:15.940 --> 01:40:18.720
to key infrastructures under
such of the public order out

01:40:18.720 --> 01:40:22.900
to 2023 and it took place at an airport.

01:40:22.900 --> 01:40:25.940
- You are you telling me I'm
on a wanted to list? Yes.

01:40:25.940 --> 01:40:27.640
Are you not upset by the
fact there's a wanted

01:40:27.640 --> 01:40:28.940
list of protestors in the uk?

01:40:28.940 --> 01:40:30.470
Not really mate. I'm a policeman.

01:40:30.470 --> 01:40:32.540
I've doesn't worry you,
there's a list of people wanted

01:40:32.540 --> 01:40:34.640
to protest If you're wandering the street

01:40:34.640 --> 01:40:36.230
at any point you might get a rescue.

01:40:36.230 --> 01:40:38.500
There's an investigation
into these things.

01:40:38.500 --> 01:40:40.420
No one told me that. Unfortunately.

01:40:40.420 --> 01:40:43.240
- I'm telling you now
- How street arrest people wandering

01:40:43.240 --> 01:40:45.400
the street now it's getting
picked up by police officers.

01:40:45.400 --> 01:40:47.230
They're thinking about
protest. Is that the idea?

01:40:47.230 --> 01:40:49.140
- Well I disagree. It's quite like that

01:40:49.140 --> 01:40:50.920
but there is an
investigation to be conducted

01:40:50.920 --> 01:40:52.400
so you understand Sounds
quite a lot like that.

01:40:53.350 --> 01:40:55.820
Well I'm not gonna argue with
you see nothing like that.

01:40:55.820 --> 01:40:56.240
- Do you wanna

01:41:14.190 --> 01:41:18.350
- The European conventional
human rights in Article six

01:41:18.350 --> 01:41:19.590
on the right to fair trial

01:41:19.590 --> 01:41:21.730
and one of the component is the right

01:41:21.730 --> 01:41:25.470
to present your defense to decide whether

01:41:25.470 --> 01:41:27.630
or not you want to be represented,

01:41:27.630 --> 01:41:28.650
but also to explain

01:41:28.650 --> 01:41:30.990
to the jury the reasons
why you have decided

01:41:30.990 --> 01:41:32.110
to to do something.

01:41:32.110 --> 01:41:34.390
In fact, in the case of Daniel Sho

01:41:34.390 --> 01:41:36.750
and also activist, they have decided

01:41:36.750 --> 01:41:40.370
to use civil disobedience,
which for me respond

01:41:40.370 --> 01:41:42.310
to four criteria.

01:41:42.310 --> 01:41:45.200
The people know pretty well
they are breaking the law.

01:41:45.200 --> 01:41:48.390
That mean that they are
ready to face a tribu.

01:41:48.390 --> 01:41:50.290
It should be southern criteria public

01:41:52.170 --> 01:41:53.290
to break the law in public

01:41:54.270 --> 01:41:57.830
to protest against in sort of unjust law.

01:41:57.830 --> 01:42:00.990
It should be also done nonviolently.

01:42:00.990 --> 01:42:03.330
And the close of done violence
for me is very important.

01:42:04.550 --> 01:42:07.690
The internal covenant on on
civil public rights clearly says

01:42:07.690 --> 01:42:11.050
that the right to protest
covers a civil obedience.

01:42:13.270 --> 01:42:17.240
The idea that a judge
could decide all alone

01:42:17.240 --> 01:42:20.050
what is accessable evidence to present

01:42:20.050 --> 01:42:23.530
to the jury is something
which is for me difficult

01:42:23.530 --> 01:42:28.530
to understand how a democracy
will not be able to allow

01:42:28.550 --> 01:42:30.610
the defendant to present
the events properly.

01:42:35.030 --> 01:42:39.190
And the fact that they are
prevented in UK to to do so

01:42:39.190 --> 01:42:40.610
is a matter of concern for me.

01:43:01.020 --> 01:43:02.240
- So last time you

01:43:02.240 --> 01:43:05.200
and I were here, we thought
you wouldn't be able to be

01:43:05.200 --> 01:43:07.540
outside Southern Crown Court again,

01:43:07.540 --> 01:43:09.160
but you're here, you
are outside South Crown

01:43:09.160 --> 01:43:10.910
Court. What happened in the end?

01:43:10.910 --> 01:43:14.080
- When the verdict came
out, we initially heard

01:43:14.080 --> 01:43:17.020
that the charges against
us have been dropped

01:43:17.020 --> 01:43:19.540
and then we found out
why they've been dropped

01:43:19.540 --> 01:43:22.810
and the bizarre and
circumstances in which they had

01:43:22.810 --> 01:43:26.030
Judge Mi decided that because Dr.

01:43:26.030 --> 01:43:29.790
Neil Stevenson, a retired
GP, had hearing difficulties,

01:43:29.790 --> 01:43:32.140
that we as a group were vulnerable.

01:43:32.140 --> 01:43:34.920
He then went on to take
it a step further and say

01:43:34.920 --> 01:43:37.400
because we were vulnerable
people, he believed

01:43:37.400 --> 01:43:39.590
that Roger Hallam had manipulated us

01:43:39.590 --> 01:43:41.580
into being outside of the court.

01:43:41.580 --> 01:43:44.360
We are not vulnerable
people, we were not outside

01:43:44.360 --> 01:43:46.440
of the court because of
Roger Hallam or anyone else.

01:43:47.940 --> 01:43:51.580
- We are here to show solidarity
with Cressy and Daniel

01:43:51.580 --> 01:43:54.530
and Lucia and Lou and Roger.

01:43:54.530 --> 01:43:57.160
These are our friends. And
to come to a sentencing

01:43:57.160 --> 01:44:00.570
for off the back of that kind
of trial is sickening really.

01:44:00.570 --> 01:44:02.760
Especially with the judge's
comments right at the end

01:44:02.760 --> 01:44:03.920
of the trial saying that they should

01:44:03.920 --> 01:44:05.360
expect long, long sentences.

01:44:05.360 --> 01:44:09.900
I think it's incredibly dystopian really.

01:44:09.900 --> 01:44:12.020
- We are now looking at
a judge threatening them,

01:44:12.020 --> 01:44:14.480
not months, but years in prison.

01:44:15.950 --> 01:44:17.840
- He's looking to set the bar higher than

01:44:17.840 --> 01:44:21.340
with Marcus Stacker. Yeah,

01:44:21.340 --> 01:44:25.920
- It is emotional, just not knowing

01:44:25.920 --> 01:44:28.400
how long they're going to be sentenced.

01:44:28.400 --> 01:44:31.260
But that's a difficult place to be in.

01:44:33.980 --> 01:44:37.040
- I waited outside in a
London town court for your van

01:44:37.040 --> 01:44:39.570
to come out 18 months ago.

01:44:39.570 --> 01:44:42.040
What does it feel like
when you are inside it?

01:44:42.040 --> 01:44:44.160
- Oh, that's a mixture of things,

01:44:44.160 --> 01:44:48.960
but being aware of people who
are outside that support you,

01:44:48.960 --> 01:44:50.900
that's a real boost to the soul.

01:44:53.530 --> 01:44:56.260
Just being in one of those
little cubicles inside

01:44:56.260 --> 01:44:59.720
that van is an unpleasant
physical experience in itself.

01:44:59.720 --> 01:45:04.040
So each of those little small
windows will have a cell

01:45:04.040 --> 01:45:05.960
inside each one of those.

01:45:05.960 --> 01:45:07.640
So they're very small spaces.

01:45:07.640 --> 01:45:09.560
If the journey is any length,

01:45:09.560 --> 01:45:12.240
travel sickness starts to become an issue.

01:45:12.240 --> 01:45:15.960
So it's just not nice from
beginning to end really.

01:45:15.960 --> 01:45:19.080
But seeing people and feeling people shout

01:45:19.080 --> 01:45:22.400
and bang the van, that must bring a joy.

01:45:22.400 --> 01:45:23.780
- Can you hear them? Can you hear

01:45:23.780 --> 01:45:24.780
- Them?

01:45:24.780 --> 01:45:27.600
Yes. Yes you can. And I think
they were playing a clash

01:45:27.600 --> 01:45:30.460
number when I was driven out.

01:45:33.080 --> 01:45:35.840
The reality is they will probably
get a very long sentence.

01:45:35.840 --> 01:45:37.690
- It could be like sort of three years.

01:45:37.690 --> 01:45:37.980
- Yeah,

01:45:42.100 --> 01:45:43.610
these people don't lie.

01:45:43.610 --> 01:45:47.240
Thermometers don't lie, you
know, they're telling it

01:45:47.240 --> 01:45:50.760
how it is and the courts are deaf.

01:45:51.630 --> 01:45:52.840
Yeah. Sake

01:45:56.790 --> 01:45:58.180
- Turn, sign around.

01:45:58.180 --> 01:46:02.680
- Not really. We've got
our mates there over there

01:46:03.530 --> 01:46:04.680
photograph anyway.

01:46:06.630 --> 01:46:07.760
Where's it go from here?

01:46:10.300 --> 01:46:13.650
- We dunno. At the moment, if you

01:46:13.650 --> 01:46:15.070
dunno, why are you arrested?

01:46:15.070 --> 01:46:16.060
Because we're just waiting

01:46:16.060 --> 01:46:17.120
for, until we know where we're going.

01:46:18.020 --> 01:46:22.760
You shame on conspiracy.

01:46:25.370 --> 01:46:27.580
- Paris. I'll tell you what,

01:46:27.580 --> 01:46:28.820
the sentences are getting worse.

01:46:28.820 --> 01:46:30.300
The, the repression is getting worse.

01:46:30.300 --> 01:46:33.140
The the abducting of my
friends on the street

01:46:33.140 --> 01:46:34.950
by the arm, you know, by the states.

01:46:34.950 --> 01:46:37.980
It's getting worse. And tell
me a bit more about that.

01:46:37.980 --> 01:46:39.120
What's been going on with

01:46:39.120 --> 01:46:40.280
- These abductions?

01:46:41.150 --> 01:46:42.180
- Yeah, so quite a few

01:46:42.180 --> 01:46:43.520
of my friends have just been picked

01:46:43.520 --> 01:46:44.680
up by the police on the street.

01:46:44.680 --> 01:46:47.140
Either coming back,
going on their way home

01:46:47.140 --> 01:46:49.640
or on their having lunch with their mom.

01:46:51.020 --> 01:46:52.220
My house got raided.

01:46:52.220 --> 01:46:55.840
My housemate got arrested
for the same charge as Dolly.

01:46:55.840 --> 01:46:58.180
Today it's a my new normal basically.

01:46:58.180 --> 01:47:00.040
And you know, if I miss message a friend

01:47:00.040 --> 01:47:01.200
and my message not getting delivered

01:47:01.200 --> 01:47:02.580
and I don't get a reply for 24 hours,

01:47:02.580 --> 01:47:04.240
I'm like, have they been arrested?

01:47:04.240 --> 01:47:06.580
Have they been raided?
It's very uncomfortable.

01:47:06.580 --> 01:47:08.320
- Are you worried that you
are gonna get passed on?

01:47:09.240 --> 01:47:12.080
- I like to think that I'm not
on their radar at the moment

01:47:12.080 --> 01:47:13.940
because I took a step back six months ago.

01:47:13.940 --> 01:47:17.100
So I feel quite okay showing my face here.

01:47:17.100 --> 01:47:18.900
But it's only a matter of time

01:47:18.900 --> 01:47:20.960
before they, you know, they
come for absolutely anyone.

01:47:20.960 --> 01:47:22.310
It seems quite random the way they've been

01:47:22.310 --> 01:47:23.720
selecting and arresting people.

01:47:26.060 --> 01:47:30.980
It feels like a weird mix of hopelessness

01:47:30.980 --> 01:47:34.000
and at the same time that
urgency of like, well it's now

01:47:34.000 --> 01:47:36.590
or never then like we're the 1.5 degrees

01:47:36.590 --> 01:47:39.440
that we were still kind of
hopeful about two years ago.

01:47:39.440 --> 01:47:42.780
That's completely gone. We're
fucked, we're actually fucked.

01:47:42.780 --> 01:47:45.560
And like, well if we're fucked,
we've got nothing to lose.

01:47:45.560 --> 01:47:48.400
Right? We've got everything
to gain so we gotta go harder.

01:47:49.680 --> 01:47:52.840
I know some of the
defendants as people, first

01:47:52.840 --> 01:47:54.910
of all remanding them, was horribly cruel.

01:47:54.910 --> 01:47:56.740
That was completely unnecessary.

01:47:56.740 --> 01:48:00.330
Taking away their last week of
freedom where they could make

01:48:00.330 --> 01:48:03.340
their goodbyes and arrangements
taking that away is just

01:48:03.340 --> 01:48:06.460
so unfair and just, yeah, cruel.

01:48:06.460 --> 01:48:09.840
As for the sentencing, I am
still trying to come to terms

01:48:09.840 --> 01:48:12.620
with the fact that I'm
not gonna hug my friends

01:48:12.620 --> 01:48:14.140
for years to come.

01:48:14.140 --> 01:48:18.280
You know, I am hoping that they won't get

01:48:18.280 --> 01:48:20.040
that much more than Marcus and Morgan,

01:48:21.580 --> 01:48:26.120
but I'm sick and tired of the
state taking my friends away

01:48:26.120 --> 01:48:30.760
and destroying their lives
for the sake of of profit,

01:48:30.760 --> 01:48:31.970
of business as usual.

01:48:31.970 --> 01:48:34.260
That just, I can't come
to terms with that.

01:48:38.830 --> 01:48:39.740
- Roger got five.

01:50:34.590 --> 01:50:35.780
- This is my front door

01:50:35.780 --> 01:50:39.800
and these muddy footprints
here are from where members

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of the Met Police were booting it.