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So how much money that was given
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to Allende’s opponent, and what was it for?
It was a total of 2.7 million dollars
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was spent through the CIA for the election.
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In which year? In ‘64.
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And many millions more
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were given
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by people contacted by the United States
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in Europe, and in the
private and public sector
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so that the Christian democratic
party of Italy, Vatican,
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The Royal Household of
Belgium, of the Netherlands,
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the German Christian democratic party
and many others, private organizations
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of Catholic church in the United States.
So what was that money for?
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The money was for an anonymous
propaganda campaign
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in the first place on behalf of (inaudible)
and warning about the communist threat
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that Allende represented. But
can you tell me a little bit
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about the kind of
propaganda campaign it was?
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Propaganda campaign of ‘64 was exactly
what they’ve tried to do again in 1970,
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and what I as a young journalist
in Italy in 1948 had seen.
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Exactly the same sort of stuff.
It was a soviet tank
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pointing guns at Italians
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because 48 in Italy was the Christian democrat, (inaudible)
against the great communist leader (inaudible),
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the biggest communist party in Europe.
And so…
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What was the goal of that?
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The goal was to create a
pillar of democratic stability
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to be the counter pillar
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to the [Kasparov]message of socialist
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Marxism-Leninism.
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What was Nixon’s reaction
to Allende’s election?
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I was not there but I can tell you
what we now know to be a fact,
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voted the CIA to prevent Allende
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from assuming the president ship. How?
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He’s… How he ordered him I’m
not sure, he just said,
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\"He did not wish Allende
to go for being president
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elect being the actual president.\"
That is to be inaugurated.
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He told CIA to do it whatever way it could.
Did it include a military co-op?
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Well, certainly included a military
co-op, and indeed they tried to get me
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to lean on the Chilean military
right after Allende was elected.
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And what happened was,
three of the top generals
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met with all the Military
attaché, all the men, and said,
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\"What would the United States like us to do?\" You
know, in fact, asking us to support a co-op.
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Because when we’re talking about General Schneider’s
staff and the role of CIA, it is known now that
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arms and ammunition came from Washington
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into Chile through diplomatic pouch. The
way it gathered. Did you know about that?
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Of course not. Because as
(inaudible) in the president,
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and the CIA testified to the
committee, the committee
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which I was not allowed to testify to, they
said that keep the ambassador out of this,
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do not tell him. But I guessed it.
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What was your reaction
when Allende was elected?
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When Allende was elected, I said that
it was a grave and very serious defeat
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for the United States. Why?
Why? Because he had said
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that the United States was the number one enemy in
the hemisphere. He said this over and over again.
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Number two, he was the most
slavish admirer of Castro,
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he has spend six months in China
admiring the work of (inaudible).
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He was very found of
(inaudible) in Vietnam.
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He was a fan of Che Guevara. So we knew
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that although Allende would acct
in what appear to be a legal
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and constitutional manner,
it would be designed
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to eliminate all US influences.
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It would be designed as a class warfare
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to eliminate the middle class
opposition, the (inaudible),
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it would be a class war approach.
And it would eventually would be
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fidelismo sin fidel (inaudible),
fidelismo without fidel.
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So Allende was a threat for the US?
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In judging the creation
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of a Santiago Havana
actions in Latin America
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at a time where all the
social conditions necessary
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for revolutions involving a great deal of
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unrest and violence, it was not unusual
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for the United States to see this
as a highly destabilizing influence
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and an extension of soviet influence.
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What did Nixon tell you met with him
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at the White House? Well, he greeted me
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very warmly and said to Henry,
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the ambassador always tells it like it is.
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And he launched into a,
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five or six minute disquisition
on how he was going to
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smash Allende, kept pounding his
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fist into his hand. But he
said he was gonna do it,
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destroy economically. He was going
to squeeze them economically.
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But how did he call Allende?
Called him and SOB,
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or, and I think also a bastard. He said,
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\"That SOB, that SOB.\"
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How did you feel in 1973 when you learned
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that Allende was dead? You sow the seed
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and you’re going to harvest
what you have sown.
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And Allende said from the
beginning, he was trying,
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he was entering a path to which there
were no guidance, no perseverance,
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no example to follow to create
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a socialism by which you meant
Marxist-Leninist society
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in a peaceful way. He
wanted the (inaudible)
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to commit suicide happily.
You didn’t agree with that.
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No, I not only did not
agree, I thought that was
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not likely that as Castro himself said
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to Allende from the very
start, \"Unless you destroy
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the army, make it into your own instrument,
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the revolution cannot succeed.\"
That was a lesson that he took
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from Lenin, it’s just an impossibility.
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I think Allende was an extraordinarily
civilized human being.
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And that if he was not such
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an admirer of the heroes
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of the Marxist-Leninist world, of Castro, of
(inaudible), of whomever, (inaudible), Che
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that left to his own
instincts he would like life
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to be very comfortable. He would have gladly
accepted the deal with the United States.
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But the other half of him said,
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\"I have to live up to this
model,\" this imaginary
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new member of a pantheon of
Marxist-Leninist heroes.
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