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To start talking about
solidarity economy

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I would start from the
question of self-management.

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Self-management, understood as the
collective way of making decisions,

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and then there are different forms,

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Of course, the assembly is the
main form, the best known,

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but there are several ways that each group
collectively decides how it will decide.

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But beyond that, the collective decision,

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I think it is important to understand solidarity
economy not only as a mode of production,

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but also as a way of reproducing life,

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not only look at the productive enterprise

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but to look at the solidarity
economy as a way of life.

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When the cooperative was created,
precisely for that purpose

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alignment with both the
ideals of free software,

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of solidarity economy,

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into an economic structure to be able
to sustain these people over time.

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How we work with free software

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we don\'t sell programs, we don\'t sell
the license to be able to use it,

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anyone today can take the
platforms that we develop

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and install it on their server, on their
computer and use it without saying anything to us.

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The only restriction they have, due
to the license we put in place,

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is that everything they do they are
obliged to return to the community,

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but anyone today can download our platforms
and use them without asking us,

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without saying anything, so we basically
survive by providing services.

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So the Noosphere for example,
which is our main platform,

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is a platform for building
social networks.

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The Noosphere is purely
basically like this.

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As Noosfero is a platform, there
is no social network Noosfero,

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there is no such thing, we
have instances of Noosfero,

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Osfero, but Noosfero
has a standard face,

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if for example you want to
install it on your computer

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or on your server and use it with the
normal face of it without customizing it,

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this is what it looks like by default,
of course many things here are configurable,

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this is a very basic system, which
even has fake data here, created.

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So, for example, today we work with
several universities that use Noosfero,

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we have UFBA that is using
Noosfero, we have USP,

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UnB in Brasília is using Noosfero,

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and in these three initiatives
Colivre started as an installer,

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a project maintainer,

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and we ended up doing
training for students

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of universities learn to maintain
Noosfero and maintain on their own,

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so in the three instances today we
have organizations that maintain

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the Noosphere independently autonomously

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and who are also part of the community.

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I\'m Aurelio Heckert,

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one of the founding partners of Colivre,

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I am a programmer.

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It was born because

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of a vision that we had and
that we still have today

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about our responsibility
about a more ethical relationship

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of our services to society,

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we believed that we needed
to work with free software,

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needed to deliver free
software to society

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and we did not see the possibility of
working in this way in companies in Bahia,

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or very rare others in Brazil,

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and we also wanted a fairer
working relationship.

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These two perspectives led
us to build an enterprise

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to work exclusively
with free software

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and this enterprise in the
form of a cooperative.

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This is from when we founded Colivre,

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it was a breakfast we made here in this room.

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This was the fanciest chair we had.

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We actually had mats here in this room,

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because we didn\'t have a couch.

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I started at Colivre
as an internship experience.

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I like this way, this horizontality
with which we work,

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with self-management.

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We do things in a very democratic way,

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between us, even when,

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not only among partners,
even with an intern,

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and that enchanted me, I liked
it a lot, I identified myself,

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and decided to invest and stay.

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And I\'m there in that fight to this day.

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Aureo? Don\'t you want to take the opportunity
to see this layout thing with me?

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A software to be able to be free effectively,

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must have at least four guaranteed freedoms.

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So the freedom of being able to
be used without asking anyone,

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the freedom to know how it works,

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study how it works and see how it works,

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the freedom to be able to redistribute
this program also freely,

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and the freedom to change it and
redistribute with your change,

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without also asking anyone.

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The concept of copyleft is quite interesting,
which was kind of a copyright reversal,

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it was a way that people
invented to compel,

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using the copyright, you to share the
code and guarantee the freedoms.

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The source code is like a text in practice,

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so this is basically what you\'re seeing,

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These are visually complex files,

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for those who don\'t know a
little about programming.

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When we think of another economy,

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we have to think of technologies
that favor this type of economy,

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as we had said before, a technology
that favors a collective organization,

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that does not favor a break in knowledge,

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a hierarchy of knowledge.

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So it\'s a technology that allows
this more horizontal way of life,

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fairer and more egalitarian.

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Well, it was a challenge, right?

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When we started this journey,

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since the beginning of the
Cultura Viva program,

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a program of the ministry
of culture and such,

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one of the pillars of the Cultura Viva
program was the digital culture part

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and use of free software.

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We\'ve embraced it fully since 2004

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and in 2010 we started to develop activities
for the production company Colabor@tiva.PE.

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And we are fighting

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trying to strengthen the groups
that have joined the network,

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and trying to disseminate this proposal.

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Being in the classroom process really.

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Good Morning

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They act in a network, within
the logic of commerciality,

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of self-management logic,
is fundamental.

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And cover as many
dimensions as possible.

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We provide information,

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communication, entrepreneurship,

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and the staff of the
Free Technologies Center

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takes care of reverse
logistics, meta-recycling.

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If we bring it to two great
dimensions, sustainability,

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both from an environmental
and an economic point of view.

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It was I think in 2013
that I made this video.

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That doesn\'t have much
to do with editing,

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it has an editing part and
it has a finishing part,

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it\'s more about the work
of choosing the photos.

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“Who wanted the letter o?”
Do you have the letter p?”

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We think about the disposition,

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and in the elements that we will use,

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to be able to remember the
elements that we used, okay?

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Then we\'ll do it one by one.
Bang, bang and matching the photos.

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Every technology has
values ​​in several areas,

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I mean, it\'s not just technical,

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so it has social, environmental
and cultural issues,

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you have to understand all reality

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and then of course the engineers,
me as an engineer,

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we won\'t handle it alone,
we need a team,

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need to work together
with people from different areas

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for us to be able to think technologies
that really contribute

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for this economy that is diverse,
which is complex.

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And to think what engineering is this,
for example, software for this movement,

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how do you build it otherwise,

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more participatory,

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trying to build technologies that allow
this collective management within the technology,

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that has a much easier control
panel for the user to use

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and for them to be able to become
a system administrator too,

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not be dependent on anyone.

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I\'ll try to avoid being a big document,

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It won\'t be big, it\'s going
to be a short text.

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But I\'m going to point to things, how is
the challenge between accessing the internet,

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to load data and the local process

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that a cell phone that may
have low processing power.

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Software development,
unlike you making a shoe,

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it is a very abstract
type of production.

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People in general, as there is no
broad process of digital literacy,

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there is no comprehensive
process in schools,

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to understand how software is made,

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at most today you learn to use something,

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but there is no education
that makes people understand

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what is behind a software,
what is the code, etc.

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And these systems that we
see on the internet today,

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these software that are online,

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often depend on the community,
on many people using,

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of many people giving input to
this system to make it work,

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only it never works alone,

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we think that Facebook works alone,

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put the code there and go.
No, there is a whole dynamic

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that makes people put things in there,

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there are people who animate that

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and that encourage that use

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for these dynamics to take place.

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“So how is it showing up to me
over there in that place?”

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\"Files bar appears,\"

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- Username bar
- Username, slash, and so on, all.

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\"You don\'t want to be on
that case, do you?\"

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\"Ready.\"

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“There the tree.”

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“And what format is it
in, the tree?”

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\"Clean? Don\'t you have an
ID that\'s meaningful?\"

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\"I do not think so.\"

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“Yes but how are we
going to order later?”

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\"The level, level?\"

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\"The tree was good
to have level too. \"

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\"OK.\"

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- So we\'ll have to pass a level?
- I think I had to pass a level, that.

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\"Zero, over here, level.\"

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You won\'t be able to film much of
what we\'re going to talk about, but

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this here is the real world,

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and this is the world of the matrix.

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So this here,

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these lines of code,
generate this cute thing.

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On Whatsapp, on Facebook, a beautiful thing
that you are using on your cell phone.

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when you have two people
around the same code,

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one of the people is very focused
with the formal processes,

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of being able to guarantee that the protocols
can walk from one side to the other and such,

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and the other person is still
remembering the original question,

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of the original problem that got us into it,

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because a traditional thing that happens a
lot in programming is that you open parentheses,

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open parentheses, open parentheses...
So you get into a thing

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then you go to do that,
\"hold on\"

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then you solve something here
\"didn\'t solve it\"

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then you have to do something else to
solve this here, it goes on solving,

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and remember that you have it all here,

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you have to remember you\'re doing it all

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because of this here.

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To solve something up there...

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So if there\'s someone with you,
you\'re going to get in trouble

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and go there, go here, and think
\"Wait, this is what I had to do at the end\"

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Almost like entering a cave,

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one is there holding the rope
up there and the other...

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And the other one who is holding
the rope up there is talking

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\"Wait my friend, we were digging
to find diamonds, it wasn\'t gold,

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you\'re already finding gold.\"

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When you are going to develop a system,

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we always think in the simplest
possible way, for lay people.

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This has a good side, we want
anyone with little knowledge

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have access to technology,

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but at the same time technology cannot
arrest people at that level of knowledge.

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And in the solidarity economy we have
more clarity that it is very important

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that those who pass the software
specifications are the end users themselves,

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who will be using the
system on a daily basis.

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So the process is much more participatory,

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from the beginning of software design.

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We are going there to Culture Point,

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at the Coco Cultural Center in Umbigada.

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\"Good afternoon.\"

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\"What\'s up?\"

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\"Alright?\"

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Let\'s go up there.

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What\'s up, Daniel? All good, brother?

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I am mother Beth of Oshun,
I am Ialorixá from Terreiro Ilê Axé Oxum

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from the Umbigada terreiro,
which is a terreiro of African origin

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Nagô nation, in Pernambuco.

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I am the coordinator here at the
Coco de Umbigada Culture Point,

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I\'m a communicator,

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I am a member of the Free Media Collective,

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of media-bookstores Nordeste Livre.

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The Culture Points were active,

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the crowd was circulating in the
country giving a radio workshop...

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Are there collectives still?
The Culture Point?

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That had an opening, \"there the
coconut, mother Beth, go there?

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the woman has a damn good
conversation, let\'s go\"

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They arrived here. \"Welcome.\"

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And then we did the training in radio,

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training including in radio software,

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radio automation software,

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vignette, many things, and the guy
\"The radio is not that little object\"

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because we have the idea that
the radio is there, playing and you don\'t feel it,

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It doesn\'t even seem like
it moves that much.

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So we are developing
artificial intelligence,

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we are looking at an
application project,

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training programmers,
because you need to train programmers.

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We have to have a strategy
for our society.

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And it goes through programming, so
you can understand the code and change.

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Take it out of the hands
of the guys, right?

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My name is Daniel Luis,

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I am trained here by the Coco
de Umbigada Culture Point.

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My story comes from here at the Culture
Point, it comes from here in the community.

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I started my research in the audio area,

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that\'s where I fell in love, recording,
editing, mixing, mastering, sound.

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We were always studying,
creating studio,

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playing, the band‚ recording, every
show we went to we recorded,

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brought to the laboratory, studied,

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So there came a time when we decided
to expand this universe of technology.

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So Ifa Tales came to meet
a demand that we had

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of dissemination of knowledge
of Afro-Brazilian culture.

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This is the first
version of the platform,

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made in javascript and HTML5,

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using parallax and Scroll,
which are two accessible technologies.

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The game is developed by young people

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here from the Guadalupe community,

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fully collaborative.

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This is also supported
by partner developers.

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We developed the platform

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with the aim of reaching more
and more young people

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and disseminate this
culture of African origin,

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our orixás, for a game.

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This one is a game
which is being developed now,

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at this moment,

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which is the story of
the Escape from Iansa.

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We have to have increasingly
multidisciplinary teams,

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involving sociologists, anthropologists,
communicators, economists, engineers,

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who can think this technology
from the concrete,

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from the concrete demands
of these groups

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that we have these
fairer relationships

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and within a society where these
things are all much more intertwined.

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The issue for example
of this plural life,

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Indigenous people live
this very well,

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where they do not separate the economy
from society, from politics, from culture.

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So technology has
to favor this,

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has to favor that these diverse
forms of way of life

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can be conjugated
and not separated.

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Now, the okra has seeds, look.

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Shall we see here?

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I don\'t remember the
exact year anymore,

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but it was six or seven years ago,
I think it was in 2011 if I\'m not mistaken,

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that we had a meeting
where we baptized the EITA

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and it was created... I don\'t know if it
was 2011 or 2012, I don\'t know the exact date.

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But EITA, Education, Information
and Technology for Self-Management,

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was born with that name,

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and the idea is to develop free technologies

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in order to support the
struggles of social movements.

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“Is the audio bad? \"

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“The audio is good but it\'s taking
a long time, it has a lot of lag.”

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\"The video doesn\'t even move.\"

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\"Maybe you\'d better
take the video down.\"

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“It’s better to do audio only.”

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And our daily life, how does it work,

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every week we have a meeting,
which is sacred,

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it\'s like having a coffee
together virtually,

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because people live far away,

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that was always a challenge for us.

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“it\'s a time project, so
to quote what he said:”

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\"we want to establish a two to
three year contract with you\"

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but I think it\'s for them... To realize
that they understand it\'s something big,

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that is being done.

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“...a proposal there in the group.”

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\"I saw
- We\'re going to start a

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“But so my deadline was
last week, is that it? \"

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- Actually I think the deadline
was mine, I didn\'t make it

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The daily life of our cooperative
has evolved over the years,

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It\'s been many years that
we\'ve been together.

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We are viable, we are seeing that
our enterprise is economically viable,

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we even want to support the
creation of other ventures,

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because we are realizing that there
is a lot of work in this area

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of information technologies,
to support social movements,

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because conventional companies
do not understand social movements.

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A software company has a very
business-oriented language,

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it doesn\'t have a language that can
understand the peasant movement,

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who can understand the
trade union movement,

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who can understand
gender issues,

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violence against women,
the women\'s movement,

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so this is a very big
strength that we have.

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I usually say that when you
take a conventional company,

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it has an issue that links people,

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who is the boss.

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is a given hierarchy,

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that is already there,

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and people even fighting stay there,

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because it has the authority of the
boss who maintains the bond, that cohesion.

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The solidarity economy, an enterprise
like the EITA, part of the lack of that,

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we don\'t have that element of cohesion,

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so we need to build others
cohesion elements,

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such as commitment,

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an alignment with it\'s ultimate
mission of the cooperative,

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that is, cooperative project,
it is very aligned.

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One thing I feel like doing
while I\'m here in Caldas

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is to go there in Cicobe

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for us to think about the
transfer of the account.

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And today what sustains
our family is EITA,

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so we live on that.

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Of course, it\'s not a big payout.

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considering other ventures,
other companies,

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in this area of ​​information technology,

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but i always had a philosophy

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that you have a cheap lifestyle

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gives you freedom.

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You have an expensive lifestyle

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ties you to certain types of setbacks
that you have to face in terms of work

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in order to maintain a huge income.

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“...enjoy the trip to Brasilia and
try to leave with the... “

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\"Sometimes you can find
Gisley if necessary...\"

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The EITA, we understand it
as a solidarity economy initiative

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because it was born with that intention
and seeks every day in these seven years,

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to practice in it\'s practices what
the solidarity economy is for us,

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being together, working together,

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and promoting another society,
a society with free knowledge,

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recognizing different knowledge,

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and looking and practicing, right,

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the exercise of horizontality,
of equality.

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\"But you\'re bad, huh.\"

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“Why?”

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“Make it strong.”

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“That\'s it”

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“Can it be so?”

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“Yes, it turned out great.”

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\"Now we have to see if it
really cools down, right?\"

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“It cools down really fast.”

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I think we\'re early.

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\"Come Antonio, let\'s go.\"