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Illicit Trade, Ep. 04 - Meteorites
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In Chile, the search and sale of meteorites is completely unregulated and allowed. When the first specimen from Mars is discovered, it is taken to France in search of the highest bidder. For years, science has defended the value of studying these extraterrestrial rocks, but a silent market has brought hundreds of hunters to the best place in the world to find meteorites: the Atacama Desert.
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There are no millenary mummies in Switzerland, the vicuñas do not live in New Zealand, and the Alerce does not grow in the United States. How did Chile’s most valuable cultural goods get there? Illicit Trade investigates the incredible theft of fossils, mummies, shipwrecks, meteorites, exotic animals, and endangered trees that have crossed continents to end up in the hands of wealthy collectors, scientific laboratories, and prestigious museums.
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Main credits
Breit Lira, Diego (film director)
Guzmán Storey, David (researcher)
Sanhueza Melendez, Paulina (film producer)
Other credits
Cinematography, Manuel Vlastelica [and 3 others]; editor, Titi Viera-Gallo; music, Wesley Slover.
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Activism; Environment + Sustainability; Anthropology; Sociology; South America; Criminal Justice; Science + Technology; Geography; Latin American Studies; Economics + Social Class Issues; International RelationsKeywords
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It was a summer day,
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in 2017.
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A french family arrived
on a camper truck
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and step out with a little box
with a bunch of rocks.
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By chance,
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I typed:
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\'Chilean meteorites. Show the last ones
that have been submitted and approved\'-
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And the first Chilean Martian meteorite
appears.
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So, I went through
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intense happiness and, at the
same time, intense rage.
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We have seen many tourists come here,
many reporters
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but we have never seen people saying
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they have found a meteorite.
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Indigenous cemeteries,
sure, there\'s many.
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It might have fallen up there on the hills.
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Over there at San Pedro...
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Right, higher.
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The expeditions that come and the
private investigators who come
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are taking those meteorites with them now.
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The meteorite business is:
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We\'re sitting here right now and you hear:
\'boom, boom, boom!\' in the sky.
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Rocks go: \'pfiu pfiu pum kaboom!\'.
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And one hits that car and one goes over
there and one breaks into a bunch of pieces.
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And you find one meteorite:
\"Yay! Oh man, I found one!\".
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You found two: you\'re a dealer.
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Right?
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You found one: you are gonna keep.
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You find two:
\"Mmm, maybe I should sell one\".
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16.26 kilometers to the spot.
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Can I borrow the computer?
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I\'m always updating the database
to show when I\'m doing a lecture,
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and I typed: \'Chilean meteorite\'.
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So I went to the chart
to see who had written it
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and I was like...
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... in shock, because it was people I knew,
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people from the network that I\'m
familiar with, and no one reported it,
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they never involved us
in the classification or anything.
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So it was...
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Sadness and rage,
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both feelings at the same time.
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Is what we have been waiting for years.
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When we go on an expedition, we say:
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\"At some point, we will be able
to find an achondrite\",
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which is the kind of meteorite of
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the Martian and Lunar meteorites.
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So,
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it was almost impossible because they
looked the same as volcanic rocks.
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I sent a rather diplomatic e-mail,
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to say that I needed to collect information
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on what had happened, who had found it, etc.
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There they told me that
it had been a french family
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on vacations in northern Chile.
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We don\'t know about the people who come,
until a year has gone by,
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because they upload the
official names to the web page.
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That way we find out what groups
are the ones who are coming the most.
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Among those, there are Polish, Russians,
French and Americans.
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The number of people who come to
Atacama in search of meteorites
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has increased in the last couple of years.
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The element that happens only here
and nowhere else in the world,
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it\'s how old the desert is.
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Atacama is unique in that sense and that\'s
why all the meteorites from its desert
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have such importance, in the sense that
they are the oldest population
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of meteorites on Earth.
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Some surfaces on the Atacama Desert
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have a density of over 150 different
meteorites per square kilometer.
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My relationship with science
begins very young.
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Antofagasta is a place confined
between many infinite borders:
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the infinite pacific ocean,
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the infinite desert
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and the infinite sky.
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That leaves a subtle mark on people
who live on the desert,
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and that makes many questions
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to arise.
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That disposition to ask yourself questions,
which are basic for a scientist,
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is created naturally in this environment,
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and it usually has to do with the sky
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and the origin of life.
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We love San Pedro! That\'s the thing!
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We are on our way to Imilac.
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We have traveled 159 kilometers
from San Pedro.
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In about 30 kilometers we should
be arriving at the Imilac water spring,
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and we will be there...
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... right on top of the crater.
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Through a book written by Philippi,
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Voyage to the Atacama Desert, from 1854,
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we started to rediscover this impact zone,
which was a historical zone.
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This book narrated very precisely
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how to get to this crater
which was the Imilac crater.
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My helper, get over here.
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I don\'t want to, I\'m tired.
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When the meteor impacts, all the bits
and pieces are scattered around.
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That shrapnel is what we, me and Edmundo,
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pick up thousands and
thousand of those pieces,
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about 60, 80 kilos of these little
pieces that are these shrapnels.
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Imilac is one of the most famous
meteorites in Chile.
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It\'s also one of the oldest
findings we have.
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Due to its rare beauty,
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expeditions arrive...
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... from the farthest places on the planet.
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How long have you been here?
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We got here yesterday and we
leave tomorrow.
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Show us your findings.
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-It\'s small pieces.
-Yes, tiny.
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Still, it\'s really lucky to
find a piece nowadays.
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Look, these are last year\'s,
I brought some samples for them.
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And this is what I have taken today.
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-Let\'s take out today\'s catch.
-Yes, today\'s.
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Help me so they don\'t fly off.
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Yes, otherwise I\'ll leave you right here...
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- You\'d kill me.
-... working with the detector.
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Your brother has the other one.
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No, the other one, I don\'t know,
I don\'t know...
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It disappeared.
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Hey, so the Meteorite Museum
is one of the things that...
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Fabulous.
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I think it\'s the best of
San Pedro de Atacama,
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among everything.
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The Meteorite Museum collection,
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starts long ago
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in early 1983,
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that\'s when along with my brother Edmundo
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we went to rediscover the Imilac location.
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We could say that with those first
meteorites, the museum began.
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And as the years went by,
it became exciting,
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we kept searching for meteorites
all over the desert.
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Like that, until today,
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we have gathered more than...
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I think we are over 5 thousand pieces.
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That is one of the first
meteorites found in Chile.
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Vaca Muerta, Imilac,
both are from around 1860.
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Many pieces went to different places
all over the world.
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Only some pieces stayed in Chile,
a few fragments.
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1% of the meteorites that are
in collections
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are these kind of meteorites,
which are called pallasite.
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If we could imagine
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where on Earth we could find such a rock,
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it would be on the interphase
between the mantle and the nucleus.
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It helps to figure out how these objects
get cold ones they are formed, etc.
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So they are of great scientific interest,
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because of the planet\'s
differentiation process.
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But, for those who don\'t know anything,
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it\'s one of the most beautiful
meteorites you could see.
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What collectors do is they
cut them in very thin layers
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and they place a light behind it,
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because the olivine is translucent
and it gives it a green coloring.
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So it\'s a gem,
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something very beautiful to be observed.
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I once went to Imilac to see the crater
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but we were mapping the area,
so it wasn\'t an objective.
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But I kept saying:
\"We need to put it on the map\".
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And everyone said:
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\"We shouldn\'t put it on the map,
everyone will start coming\".
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This a piece of Imilac.
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This piece was found
by hunters from Russia,
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I think it was last year or so,
I\'m not sure.
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This is one I bought at the
Tucson Gems and Minerals Show
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just last weekend.
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Which was kind of crazy.
I didn\'t expect to see any there.
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But some hunters went down there
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and found, I don\'t know,
some kilograms of it.
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And this was just a pretty piece.
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Just in 2018, I don\'t know the month,
It wasn\'t me so...
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Russian teams rediscovered
a new place where they found
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more than a hundred kilos maybe.
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They found a new discovery of Imilac, some
kilometers away from the original place.
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So that\'s why a lot of new pieces have
shown up from Imilac.
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Last year this time we had no Imilac.
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It\'s been gone from the market for
some time, pretty hard to get.
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Now there\'s a lot of it.
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I mean, to come here on an expedition
looking for it to take it out,
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and then cut the material, and sell it,
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that to me is like a
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poachers\' attitude, in some way.
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To me, that is plain trafficking.
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I\'ve been hunting for meteorites
recreationally for 15 or 20 years now.
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I\'ve found a lot of meteorites,
I\'ve never found a palasite.
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Probably I never will, unless
I go to a place like Imilac.
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You don\'t want to sell
anything you find yourself,
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especially because
it\'s a gift from the stars.
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You know, in the Andes in Chile,
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is one of the clearest skies in the
entire world,
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and when you are out there camping
in the Atacama or something
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you are absolutely already in the space.
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I have the biggest Imilac, as far as I know.
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But there\'s been lots of bigger ones,
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but they\'ve all sold them,
or cut them, or whatever.
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And I\'m keeping it intact.
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It\'s like so cool, the memories,
the adventures over there.
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They\'re mine, I found them.
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Cool.
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The Atacama Desert,
according to the discoveries
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that we mainly did,
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that are the high-density areas,
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is now...
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... the meteorite hunter\'s paradise.
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It\'s sad,
I would prefer it wasn\'t like this.
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I would prefer they were
all available for us,
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Chilean people, we could go find
meteorites and find some.
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But the foreign expeditions
that are entering the country
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are countless,
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and it\'s like that because
when a meteorite gets classified
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you have to give the coordinates.
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There\'s no choice there.
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When you looked in books and
read about them,
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you realize there were places where they
had fallen by hundreds of them or thousands.
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They found pieces that weigh tons.
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You could go to some of these places
and just look around and like find one,
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and then if you brought it back or
had a box of them you put it there.
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One on three people, when they
realized what it was, they were like:
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\"Are you kidding me? This is one?\".
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But you had to show them in a book:
\"See? I\'m not making this up\".
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That\'s a huge problem in China right now,
fakes.
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But anyway, so I showed them in my books
this is the real stuff,
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and it was like a hundred bucks.
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But you get a piece of some cool,
that is like from not even Earth
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and it has crystals and energies and
things that you don\'t even find on Earth.
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And It\'s a good thing.
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I started hunting meteorites
about 24 years ago.
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That\'s all I do, I love meteorites.
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It\'s treasure hunting, It\'s about
the thrill of the hunt, It\'s exciting.
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I\'ve been in 85, 86 countries.
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For example Africa, I\'ve been over
a hundred times to Africa.
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I used to go every two weeks.
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All of my money is tied up in this.
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I have to put out 100 thousand
dollars to buy a rock,
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let\'s just say I put 100 thousand out
and then I pay 25 thousand for cutting,
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and then I put the price and
I sell one slice of it in a year.
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All of my money is tied to that rock,
like this.
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I mean I have millions of dollars
tied up in these rocks, that\'s not cash.
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If you don\'t take that piece and go up
5 or 10 times you\'re gonna lose money.
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There we go. Caleta el Cobre 022,
found in 2016. 474 grams, nakhlite.
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Single stone found casually
by a tourists family
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next to their night camp
in the Atacama Desert.
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We sold our house, our car,
we left our jobs and we set off.
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We wanted to have family time and
a great experience together.
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We wanted to show our kids
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that our lifestyle in France
was not the only lifestyle there is.
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And that there were many things
to learn from other cultures.
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Sleeping in the desert
was a great experience.
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There are no human beings,
or plants, or animals.
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There is nothing, you actually get
a sense of being on another planet.
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My husband is a scientist,
he is very interested in science.
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Therefore we knew there were many
meteorites in the desert,
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so we looked to the ground in case
we found a peculiar looking rock.
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So when our daughter saw this rock
that stood out through the sand,
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because it was much darker
than any of the other rocks,
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she picked it up and it distinguished
itself from the other rocks there.
00:21:25.180 --> 00:21:28.729
It was indeed much darker.
00:21:36.604 --> 00:21:39.646
We had great doubt on whether or not
it was actually a meteorite,
00:21:39.646 --> 00:21:41.648
we were not sure.
00:21:47.300 --> 00:21:51.234
So she along with her family,
came to the museum,
00:21:51.234 --> 00:21:53.519
to find out if it was actually a meteorite.
00:21:55.032 --> 00:21:56.729
When we cut it, well...
00:21:57.839 --> 00:21:59.191
Martian was green.
00:21:59.191 --> 00:22:02.529
And truly it was a green colored
meteorite because of the olivines,
00:22:02.529 --> 00:22:05.013
The amount of olivines inside was amazing.
00:22:05.013 --> 00:22:07.817
It was the first time I held
a Martian meteorite in my hands,
00:22:07.817 --> 00:22:08.774
not knowing.
00:22:08.774 --> 00:22:11.185
And when they ask me:
\"What is there to do?\".
00:22:11.185 --> 00:22:14.317
Well, what has to be done
is a classification process.
00:22:40.977 --> 00:22:43.873
This looks like an ordinary chondrite.
00:22:43.873 --> 00:22:46.890
Nine times out of ten it\'s going to be
an ordinary chondrite.
00:22:47.445 --> 00:22:51.985
Sometimes you collect stuff
really small meteorites.
00:22:59.555 --> 00:23:00.791
Guess what:
00:23:00.791 --> 00:23:02.202
ordinary chondrite.
00:23:02.911 --> 00:23:07.301
People will send me meteorites
to get classified.
00:23:07.852 --> 00:23:12.336
Sometimes it gets a bit boring because
90% of them are ordinary chondrites,
00:23:17.481 --> 00:23:21.201
including lots of meteorites from Chile,
from Rodrigo Martínez.
00:23:26.420 --> 00:23:29.615
More than one year later
I traveled to San Pedro,
00:23:29.615 --> 00:23:34.347
and he gave me this sample together with
a bunch of other meteorites he had found.
00:23:37.214 --> 00:23:40.251
I took them back here and
00:23:40.251 --> 00:23:43.766
they stayed in this big bag of
samples for six months maybe.
00:23:45.482 --> 00:23:49.105
I brought it to my collaborator,
Professor Rochet.
00:23:49.955 --> 00:23:51.575
He looked at it and said:
00:23:51.575 --> 00:23:52.935
\"It looks very interesting\".
00:23:53.858 --> 00:23:57.797
He went to the lab to do some
magnetic measurements,
00:23:57.797 --> 00:23:59.955
and he came back very excited
and he told me:
00:23:59.955 --> 00:24:01.674
\"Yes! That\'s a martian meteorite!\".
00:24:41.144 --> 00:24:45.793
So, after that, we got very excited
about this meteorite
00:24:45.793 --> 00:24:48.943
and it turned out to be a very rare
type of martian meteorite.
00:25:23.390 --> 00:25:26.526
This is Allende,
00:25:26.526 --> 00:25:31.756
from a small town in Mexico.
It fell in February 1969
00:25:31.756 --> 00:25:35.347
and formed 4.68 billion years ago.
00:25:36.620 --> 00:25:40.123
This little inclusions here are very
abundant in this meteorite.
00:25:40.123 --> 00:25:44.309
5% to 10% of the meteorite consist of
these white inclusions of various kinds
00:25:44.781 --> 00:25:49.252
and these show us when the beginning
of the Solar System happened.
00:25:52.909 --> 00:25:55.619
Well, you guys are young.
00:25:55.619 --> 00:26:00.165
But, back in 1969 when Niel Armstrong
and Buzz Aldrin stepped on the Moon
00:26:00.165 --> 00:26:03.932
people all over the world were glued
to their television sets, I certainly was.
00:26:03.932 --> 00:26:05.284
And this was very exciting.
00:26:05.284 --> 00:26:06.001
Why?
00:26:06.001 --> 00:26:08.915
What kind of practical consequence would
be for a guy walking on the Moon?
00:26:08.915 --> 00:26:09.775
Who cares?
00:26:09.775 --> 00:26:11.073
Well, everybody cared.
00:26:11.073 --> 00:26:14.225
And meteorite researchers
and every other scientist,
00:26:14.225 --> 00:26:16.018
has the same kind of enthusiasm.
00:26:16.018 --> 00:26:18.310
It\'s not that who cares?
Everybody cares.
00:26:18.310 --> 00:26:22.869
They wanna know their place around
and how the universe develops.
00:26:22.869 --> 00:26:27.003
And so this is the same kind of exciting
endeavor that we\'re engaged in.
00:26:34.453 --> 00:26:36.643
The simplest model of the Solar System is:
00:26:37.251 --> 00:26:42.721
There was a cloud of gas and dust,
00:26:42.721 --> 00:26:45.892
and it became gravitationally
unstable and it collapsed.
00:26:46.278 --> 00:26:50.748
Ultimately when it collapsed enough,
we got a star, we got a sun,
00:26:51.346 --> 00:26:53.935
and we got the planets in orbit
about the Sun.
00:27:05.088 --> 00:27:07.775
They fall randomly all over the planet,
00:27:07.775 --> 00:27:10.225
but they preferentially accumulate
00:27:10.225 --> 00:27:13.301
in the places where there\'s
restriction on liquid water supply.
00:27:13.301 --> 00:27:17.952
Therefore, in places like Brazil,
where there\'s a lot of humidity,
00:27:17.952 --> 00:27:22.543
they also fall, just like anywhere else,
but they disappear really fast.
00:27:25.542 --> 00:27:28.762
Not like in places where there is
liquid water restriction,
00:27:29.210 --> 00:27:31.306
cold deserts like Antarctica,
00:27:31.306 --> 00:27:33.842
hot deserts like the Atacama Desert,
00:27:33.842 --> 00:27:37.101
where the ones that fell yesterday
00:27:37.101 --> 00:27:40.841
coexist with the ones that fell maybe
one million years ago.
00:27:41.515 --> 00:27:44.524
So, that\'s why the searches focus
00:27:44.524 --> 00:27:47.329
in places that have deserted areas.
00:27:47.728 --> 00:27:50.705
The public does think again about
meteorites
00:27:50.705 --> 00:27:53.048
when something like Chelyabinsk falls.
00:27:53.048 --> 00:27:56.862
Chelyabinsk is the big one that fell in
Russia, about 10 years ago.
00:27:57.227 --> 00:28:00.562
Many people were injured
by breaking glass.
00:28:00.562 --> 00:28:02.107
It was huge,
00:28:02.727 --> 00:28:06.421
one of the biggest that had hit the
Earth in the last 20 years or so.
00:28:09.530 --> 00:28:11.953
These are the building blocks
of the Solar System.
00:28:11.953 --> 00:28:15.192
These are the materials that form
the Sun, the Earth, the Moon,
00:28:15.192 --> 00:28:17.579
all the planets, the comets,
the asteroids.
00:28:17.721 --> 00:28:20.761
All these objects form
from these materials
00:28:20.761 --> 00:28:24.122
that we study in the lab. These
meteorites, these primitive meteorites.
00:28:25.556 --> 00:28:27.974
We can see that immediately
by looking at the Moon.
00:28:27.974 --> 00:28:30.103
The Moon is covered with impact craters.
00:28:37.372 --> 00:28:40.797
The Earth has few impact craters.
Actually, there\'s like maybe 200 or so
00:28:40.797 --> 00:28:44.360
identified impact craters on the Earth,
but the Moon is peppered with them.
00:28:44.360 --> 00:28:45.834
Why does the Earth have so few?
00:28:45.834 --> 00:28:48.640
Because we have erosion and
plate tectonics which has
00:28:48.640 --> 00:28:51.910
destroyed most of the old impact craters.
00:29:00.145 --> 00:29:03.773
If you look at the southern hemisphere of
Mars, it\'s littered with craters,
00:29:03.773 --> 00:29:04.794
craters everywhere.
00:29:05.422 --> 00:29:09.505
What scientist can learn from real
meteorites is extremely important.
00:29:10.535 --> 00:29:14.156
Some of the most abundant
minerals in space
00:29:14.156 --> 00:29:16.656
are the same abundant
minerals in our bodies.
00:29:16.656 --> 00:29:21.969
We are descendants of the material that
formed the Earth and formed the cosmos.
00:29:22.663 --> 00:29:25.586
So yes, you can look at it in that
kind of philosophical way,
00:29:25.586 --> 00:29:31.917
and see that we are just the latest
evolutionary development of this process
00:29:31.917 --> 00:29:34.149
that has been going on since the Big Bang.
00:29:58.184 --> 00:30:00.890
If you look out the window,
everything is round.
00:30:01.404 --> 00:30:06.273
It\'s wonderful to see the edge
of the valley from above,
00:30:06.273 --> 00:30:10.024
then the fields arranged
in circles around it,
00:30:10.024 --> 00:30:13.365
and the city is also rounded with its wall.
00:30:13.576 --> 00:30:19.990
As I said, everything is round and
everything happens around it.
00:30:20.757 --> 00:30:28.842
At school, we learned this was a volcano.
00:30:29.273 --> 00:30:36.546
Later, during the \'60s, we got to know it
was actually a meteorite crater.
00:30:36.546 --> 00:30:39.415
So we had to forget everything
we had learned.
00:30:42.403 --> 00:30:44.929
Right from the start,
all of the Earth\'s story is
00:30:44.929 --> 00:30:47.927
a sum of geological catastrophes,
00:30:47.927 --> 00:30:50.732
but they are not necessarily
bad catastrophes.
00:30:50.732 --> 00:30:53.243
It\'s an opportunity to start over.
00:30:53.243 --> 00:30:57.258
One has to think that 15 million years ago
the dinosaurs were here.
00:30:57.258 --> 00:30:59.837
They were taken off of the Earth,
among other things,
00:30:59.837 --> 00:31:01.657
because a meteorite hit.
00:31:02.230 --> 00:31:05.277
Without that happening, us mammals
would not have developed.
00:31:05.277 --> 00:31:08.463
So to some extent, this blows
have positive effects,
00:31:08.463 --> 00:31:10.095
if you look at it globally.
00:31:14.587 --> 00:31:19.816
These red diodes move at
100 kilometers per hour.
00:31:20.216 --> 00:31:23.872
This one on the side moves
10 times faster, like a plane.
00:31:23.872 --> 00:31:26.538
Here it\'s a car going at
100 kilometers per hour.
00:31:26.538 --> 00:31:28.489
Here it\'s a plane,
00:31:28.489 --> 00:31:32.253
and here it\'s an average meteorite going
at 100 thousand kilometers per hour.
00:31:33.183 --> 00:31:36.462
So, one has to imagine an object
coming from the sky,
00:31:36.464 --> 00:31:40.270
very heavy, with a 1-kilometer diameter,
00:31:40.270 --> 00:31:42.300
at an amazing speed.
00:31:43.038 --> 00:31:46.125
You can never really imagine it accurately.
00:31:47.442 --> 00:31:51.049
The problem with all of this is that
we work with dimensions
00:31:51.049 --> 00:31:53.931
that are unimaginable to humans,
00:31:53.931 --> 00:31:57.070
that abstract themselves from
the human experience:
00:31:57.539 --> 00:32:02.595
tremendous distances, tremendous times,
tremendous speeds.
00:32:02.595 --> 00:32:06.679
And you can begin to try to understand it
with these kinds of comparisons.
00:32:13.335 --> 00:32:19.662
At this moment, the impact craters
are really interesting.
00:32:20.207 --> 00:32:22.733
There is a rising interest in them.
00:32:22.733 --> 00:32:25.668
In german we have the term \'begreifen\'.
00:32:25.668 --> 00:32:29.664
\'Begreifen\' means \'understanding\'
but also \'to take\'.
00:32:29.664 --> 00:32:32.896
And here you can do both, you can
understand it and you can take it.
00:32:33.505 --> 00:32:36.461
You get a feeling out of all of this.
00:32:36.461 --> 00:32:42.040
And when you walk around a crater
made by a 1 cubic kilometer rock,
00:32:42.040 --> 00:32:46.107
you can get an idea of the immense amount
of energy that was released there,
00:32:46.107 --> 00:32:49.415
and that the danger of that happening
in the universe actually exists.
00:32:49.415 --> 00:32:51.337
That is, it sure is on its way here.
00:32:51.337 --> 00:32:53.426
What we ask ourselves is: when.
00:32:58.429 --> 00:33:04.158
In our case, we have a proven
impact crater, a very pretty one,
00:33:04.158 --> 00:33:07.172
south of the Atacama salt fields,
in the second region of Chile,
00:33:07.172 --> 00:33:09.032
that it\'s called Monturaqui crater.
00:33:11.427 --> 00:33:17.477
It\'s a beautiful crater, embedded at the
foot of the mountain range,
00:33:27.821 --> 00:33:32.150
and where fragments of the object
that generated the blow were found,
00:33:32.150 --> 00:33:35.185
a mix of fragments from the
impact that we call impactites;
00:33:35.832 --> 00:33:38.919
some leftovers from the meteorite,
00:33:38.919 --> 00:33:42.464
that is why expeditions come and visit,
00:33:42.798 --> 00:33:48.960
and they have unfortunately taken away
them, they have plundered the material
00:33:48.960 --> 00:33:54.597
and they have taken it for
scientific purposes or to sell it.
00:34:14.446 --> 00:34:19.135
Something that has changed
over the last 20 years now,
00:34:19.702 --> 00:34:23.720
is that meteorites have become more
and more valuable in the market.
00:34:24.032 --> 00:34:29.735
And the value started increasing also
because we found out in the late \'80s,
00:34:29.735 --> 00:34:34.324
that we had meteorites from Mars,
and then meteorites from the Moon.
00:34:34.324 --> 00:34:36.655
And people got really excited about that
00:34:36.655 --> 00:34:39.485
and that\'s when the number of meteorites
00:34:39.485 --> 00:34:44.433
has peaked dramatically
since the early 2000.
00:34:44.433 --> 00:34:48.047
So in the last 20 years, we see
a very sharp increase
00:34:48.047 --> 00:34:50.371
in meteorite recovery programs.
00:34:52.593 --> 00:34:56.506
I study meteorites, and in particular
their chemical composition.
00:34:56.956 --> 00:35:00.969
I wanted to look for chondrules
in an ordinary chondrite,
00:35:00.969 --> 00:35:02.599
in those pristine chondrules.
00:35:03.079 --> 00:35:07.127
I found that Paposo was a really good
candidate for this project.
00:35:07.517 --> 00:35:11.592
So I contacted first the
CEREGE, in Marseilles,
00:35:12.092 --> 00:35:17.118
and they put me in contact with
Rodrigo Martínez in Chile.
00:35:19.771 --> 00:35:23.657
Well, I found this meteorite
back in the year 2010,
00:35:23.657 --> 00:35:25.551
near the old port of Paposo.
00:35:25.551 --> 00:35:28.832
It\'s a meteorite, in belongs to the
group of the ordinary chondrite,
00:35:28.832 --> 00:35:31.404
but it is an extraordinary
specimen within that group.
00:35:31.404 --> 00:35:35.054
The fact that the chondrules were
as big as the one the Paposo has,
00:35:35.054 --> 00:35:40.656
made it possible to extract physically
so we could do the formation analysis,
00:35:41.324 --> 00:35:45.043
and be able to measure time and
age of the Solar System\'s formation.
00:35:58.948 --> 00:36:03.133
And it was selected, among the thousands
of chondrites, there are in the world,
00:36:03.133 --> 00:36:06.828
for this distinctive feature, considering
that when you extract the chondrule
00:36:06.828 --> 00:36:09.723
you will be able to internally
measure each of them,
00:36:09.723 --> 00:36:13.523
for this lead isotopic ratio 206-207.
00:36:17.255 --> 00:36:20.208
So it was amazing because I received Paposo
00:36:21.028 --> 00:36:22.892
by mail,
00:36:22.892 --> 00:36:25.536
and it was a 200 grams slice.
00:36:25.536 --> 00:36:30.485
So the first thing I\'ve done is
take it to the city scan
00:36:30.975 --> 00:36:33.195
and we looked inside the sample
00:36:33.733 --> 00:36:40.021
to see where or what objects will be
interesting to separate and to extract.
00:36:41.268 --> 00:36:44.500
And then it\'s kind of a big international
study at the end, because
00:36:44.500 --> 00:36:51.017
we have people in the US, people in Canada
and people in Germany working on Paposo.
00:37:16.529 --> 00:37:18.896
I\'m just looking for the gloves,
00:37:20.606 --> 00:37:24.285
because I have my gloves in my office.
00:37:25.025 --> 00:37:27.125
Let me look for some gloves here.
00:37:32.368 --> 00:37:34.662
What we got here
00:37:35.897 --> 00:37:41.413
is a piece of the martian meteorite
Caleta el Cobre 022.
00:37:41.413 --> 00:37:46.205
This rock was ejected from Mars
about 11 million years ago,
00:37:46.205 --> 00:37:48.900
then travelled in space for that long time
00:37:48.900 --> 00:37:52.465
an fell in the Atacama Desert
a few thousand years ago.
00:37:52.983 --> 00:37:56.750
This sample will be preserved
in the World Academic Collection
00:37:56.750 --> 00:37:59.857
to be available for scientist
all over the world.
00:38:01.841 --> 00:38:04.687
And it\'s a very...
00:38:04.687 --> 00:38:09.077
... interesting rock because this reddish
crystals, they are crystals of olivine
00:38:09.077 --> 00:38:12.493
that have been altered
by the water on Mars.
00:38:12.493 --> 00:38:17.903
In these minerals, we have some
chemical signature of these fluids
00:38:20.123 --> 00:38:22.397
that were circulating in the martian rocks.
00:38:22.397 --> 00:38:27.498
And there are only 10 meteorites from
this group, which is called nakhlites,
00:38:29.322 --> 00:38:31.565
and this is the last one
that has been found.
00:38:36.379 --> 00:38:40.204
And when Pierre Rochette
and Jerome Gattacceca
00:38:40.204 --> 00:38:44.319
confirmed to us that it was
a martian meteorite,
00:38:44.319 --> 00:38:49.025
I don\'t know,
I can\'t find the words to say it.
00:38:49.240 --> 00:38:54.517
We were very excited about the scientific
value and the monetary value.
00:38:54.517 --> 00:38:57.308
The scientific value is incredible.
00:38:57.308 --> 00:39:02.104
We had some doubt, because
we had researched online
00:39:02.104 --> 00:39:06.449
for meteorite pictures and we saw that
it resembled a martian meteorite,
00:39:06.449 --> 00:39:10.913
and we saw that it looked very similar
to these meteorites called nakhlites.
00:39:18.096 --> 00:39:23.465
Everything that has to do with holding
a piece of Mars, by traveling to Mars
00:39:23.465 --> 00:39:28.028
like the Rover missions
and others are doing,
00:39:29.884 --> 00:39:33.068
it delivers very valuable information
about that kind of processes,
00:39:33.068 --> 00:39:36.648
to be able to understand whether there
is life or how planets evolve,
00:39:36.648 --> 00:39:38.408
how they lose the atmosphere, etc.
00:39:38.798 --> 00:39:43.848
And having... It is tremendously lucky
to actually have a piece of Mars on Earth,
00:39:43.848 --> 00:39:49.993
to be able to analyze that kind of material
and learn about the conditions that formed it.
00:39:50.213 --> 00:39:54.361
We did the classification work,
submitted it to the Meteorite Society.
00:39:54.361 --> 00:39:57.951
Now it\'s called Caleta el Cobre 022,
00:39:58.431 --> 00:40:05.111
because it was the 22nd meteorite found
in this specific area of Caleta el Cobre.
00:40:19.295 --> 00:40:22.866
[Well, this meteorite is called Caleta
el Cobre, that\'s what they named it]
00:40:23.608 --> 00:40:24.928
Caleta el Cobre...
00:40:27.352 --> 00:40:29.773
Who knows, since there is such
a big hole here...
00:40:34.275 --> 00:40:40.494
But, do they know where it exactly fell?
We would have heard of it here on the cove.
00:40:42.284 --> 00:40:45.164
This road right here
is called Road to Heaven.
00:40:46.164 --> 00:40:50.507
You can be sure you are going
straight towards the meteorite,
00:40:50.507 --> 00:40:51.958
you\'ll fall right on it.
00:40:56.096 --> 00:41:02.768
If you began to look, I think you could
probably see them fall every day.
00:41:03.805 --> 00:41:07.449
When they go by really low, it makes a
strong sound and then they disappear.
00:41:09.749 --> 00:41:13.771
When you see them fall nearby,
they disappear.
00:41:15.029 --> 00:41:16.355
And some fall in the sea.
00:41:18.505 --> 00:41:22.578
You think they fall on the sea.
And they might, but
00:41:24.698 --> 00:41:26.230
you can only see the current.
00:41:26.230 --> 00:41:27.660
The line goes like this...
00:41:28.480 --> 00:41:31.762
Then you can tell your girlfriend:
\"I give you a star, my love\"
00:41:31.762 --> 00:41:34.302
where a meteor fell, right next to her.
00:41:35.872 --> 00:41:37.882
You tell her: \"I give you a star, my love\"
00:41:38.202 --> 00:41:39.802
\"So you can ask for a wish\".
00:42:12.417 --> 00:42:14.712
If that little girl from France,
00:42:15.912 --> 00:42:18.344
hadn\'t found that martian meteorite,
00:42:18.344 --> 00:42:20.728
where she found it,
00:42:21.296 --> 00:42:23.256
perhaps no one would have ever found it.
00:42:24.456 --> 00:42:26.761
So, in the long term
she contributed.
00:42:26.761 --> 00:42:29.173
There is no black market for
meteorites these days.
00:42:29.173 --> 00:42:31.268
Today we have the freedom to find them
00:42:31.268 --> 00:42:34.202
and do what we want with them,
because they belong to us.
00:42:34.202 --> 00:42:37.346
A meteorite today in Chile,
belongs to whoever finds it.
00:42:37.346 --> 00:42:41.549
We\'ve done more with meteorites than it\'s
ever been done with any government agency,
00:42:41.549 --> 00:42:43.479
that could have ever been done,
00:42:43.479 --> 00:42:48.647
to find more meteorites, and promote more
meteorites and protect more meteorites,
00:42:48.647 --> 00:42:51.638
by looking for them, and getting them,
00:42:51.638 --> 00:42:54.728
and marketing them, and teaching
and educating people about them.
00:42:54.728 --> 00:42:57.970
All those things happen because
of private enterprise and the drive
00:42:57.970 --> 00:43:00.833
for the fun, the money,
and the adventure and stuff.
00:43:01.348 --> 00:43:03.325
The government doesn\'t work that way:
00:43:03.325 --> 00:43:06.305
\"I\'m not gonna move at all
unless you put some money on\".
00:43:06.305 --> 00:43:09.433
Dealers in order to sell the meteorites
for what they are worth,
00:43:09.433 --> 00:43:11.611
have to know what kind
of meteorite there is.
00:43:11.611 --> 00:43:14.490
They have to have some scientist
at a university, a museum
00:43:14.490 --> 00:43:18.458
classify them, analyze them and say
what kind of a meteorite it is.
00:43:18.756 --> 00:43:22.110
These services aren\'t free,
so these scientists will say:
00:43:22.110 --> 00:43:26.167
\"Give me a piece of your meteorite,
and we\'ll deposit it in the collection
00:43:26.167 --> 00:43:27.963
and in return for that,
00:43:27.963 --> 00:43:31.583
I will analyze it, classify it and
tell you what kind of a meteorite it is\".
00:43:31.583 --> 00:43:33.182
Then you can set the prize.
00:43:33.182 --> 00:43:34.787
So, everybody benefits.
00:43:43.715 --> 00:43:46.993
One has to have mixed feelings
as a scientist about
00:43:46.993 --> 00:43:49.303
selling meteorites.
00:43:49.303 --> 00:43:53.544
The hunting, of course, is great,
because they find new...
00:43:53.544 --> 00:43:54.994
We\'re getting new meteorites.
00:43:54.994 --> 00:43:59.124
And now we\'re starting to get new kinds of
meteorites from the Atacama Desert.
00:44:00.686 --> 00:44:04.672
But on the other hand, to have this
00:44:05.811 --> 00:44:08.488
action mainly guided by capitalism,
00:44:09.111 --> 00:44:12.073
rather than by science, means that
00:44:12.073 --> 00:44:14.811
some of the best meteorites
end up in private collections
00:44:14.811 --> 00:44:17.205
where they are not accessible to science.
00:44:17.893 --> 00:44:21.433
In most parts of the world
there is no legislation for it.
00:44:22.307 --> 00:44:26.884
During the \'70s the UNESCO declared
meteorites as a World Heritage,
00:44:26.884 --> 00:44:28.662
but left it to each country
00:44:29.724 --> 00:44:33.959
to decide how they would operate
regarding their heritages.
00:44:35.320 --> 00:44:39.066
And therefore, the countries that have
done it, have generally been
00:44:39.066 --> 00:44:42.815
countries that have been stressed out
about some situations, in particular.
00:44:43.074 --> 00:44:44.248
In Argentina\'s case,
00:44:44.248 --> 00:44:47.868
it was this really famous meteorite
called Campo del Cielo,
00:44:47.868 --> 00:44:53.331
where collectors on helicopters
flew from all over the world
00:44:53.331 --> 00:44:57.008
to take out pieces that
weighted more than 100 tons.
00:44:57.602 --> 00:45:00.183
What can I say?
I was possessed in this meteorite.
00:45:00.183 --> 00:45:02.664
37 tons, the energy around it.
It was like:
00:45:03.126 --> 00:45:05.197
\"This thing is...
00:45:06.807 --> 00:45:09.377
Here is the biggest coolest meteorite\".
00:45:09.377 --> 00:45:13.187
Well, it was too big, it was too...
00:45:13.837 --> 00:45:14.923
It just didn\'t happen.
00:45:15.483 --> 00:45:21.214
So the reaction was really quick from
politicians and from everyone. They said:
00:45:21.214 --> 00:45:25.843
\"This can\'t be, this is our heritage\",
so they made a law for meteorites
00:45:25.843 --> 00:45:27.191
to be a cultural object.
00:45:27.191 --> 00:45:30.310
You can\'t say meteorites are
a cultural property,
00:45:30.310 --> 00:45:32.799
because they fell out of the sky.
00:45:32.799 --> 00:45:37.462
They didn\'t have any owner, they had no
contact or connection with humans.
00:45:37.462 --> 00:45:40.342
If a rock that fell of the sky.
either just now:
00:45:41.531 --> 00:45:43.803
\"Wow! It went through the roof?\".
00:45:44.269 --> 00:45:49.642
Nobody cared until they were valuable.
Nobody cared at all.
00:45:58.931 --> 00:46:01.806
If you say hunting meteorites
is illegal in Chile,
00:46:01.806 --> 00:46:04.675
I guarantee you next year Bolivia
00:46:04.675 --> 00:46:07.686
will have a massive ammount of
meteorites being found.
00:46:12.818 --> 00:46:16.440
Chile is a big country and if the
Government were to put a stop to it,
00:46:16.440 --> 00:46:18.422
no one will go, no one will find it.
00:46:19.547 --> 00:46:22.489
And maybe it\'ll sit there for
a million years, maybe not.
00:46:23.037 --> 00:46:26.140
But if the Government wants pieces
and to build a bug museum,
00:46:26.140 --> 00:46:27.863
then somebody has to go find it.
00:46:35.495 --> 00:46:41.325
It is important to preserve the things
that will enhance the territory\'s culture
00:46:41.325 --> 00:46:46.806
and at the same time stimulate science,
culture, art, or whatever it may be,
00:46:46.806 --> 00:46:48.965
on your territory.
00:47:02.606 --> 00:47:05.676
Meteorites, because of
the vulnerability they have,
00:47:05.676 --> 00:47:08.376
have an urgency to be protected right now:
00:47:09.232 --> 00:47:12.551
establish rules for exploration,
00:47:12.551 --> 00:47:14.498
the exploitation
00:47:14.498 --> 00:47:17.307
and the sails interactions
00:47:17.307 --> 00:47:19.334
on whatever it has to do with meteorites.
00:47:19.334 --> 00:47:24.346
At least 20% should be preserved
in local institutions,
00:47:24.346 --> 00:47:27.714
but with a strong suggestion
that it should be more.
00:47:27.714 --> 00:47:31.758
In the case of rare meteorites,
00:47:31.758 --> 00:47:35.538
we should be able to ask
the person who found it
00:47:35.538 --> 00:47:36.708
to donate more material.
00:47:36.708 --> 00:47:40.193
I think the best solution is to have
00:47:40.193 --> 00:47:42.493
in Chile somebody, a group
working on meteorites,
00:47:42.493 --> 00:47:45.753
and people they will naturally send
the meteorites to be classified,
00:47:45.753 --> 00:47:49.712
they will collaborate with the scientist
to help the meteorite classified in Chile,
00:47:49.712 --> 00:47:52.832
and that\'s how you keep material
and you build a collection.
00:48:05.608 --> 00:48:08.644
What we would like to do
with the meteorite?
00:48:13.629 --> 00:48:15.069
Regarding nakhlite,
00:48:15.069 --> 00:48:18.819
we would like to wait a while for
the investigation to move forward.
00:48:20.176 --> 00:48:26.186
You never know, they could find
extraordinary things from this meteorite,
00:48:26.186 --> 00:48:29.079
and then, eventually, probably sell it.
00:48:32.683 --> 00:48:36.813
We would like it to be kept by someone
who is passionate about this,
00:48:36.813 --> 00:48:38.503
a museum maybe.
00:48:40.793 --> 00:48:44.173
We have had offers, but we
haven\'t answered them.
00:49:08.916 --> 00:49:13.518
Meteorites do matter. In the geological
circle it\'s almost like a hobby,
00:49:15.345 --> 00:49:21.009
but they have a greater scientific importance
to understanding things that will explain
00:49:21.009 --> 00:49:25.009
how the Earth was formed, that is
an anomaly within the Solar System.
00:49:27.753 --> 00:49:32.828
This idea that we are the sons
of the stars is very thrilling,
00:49:34.089 --> 00:49:37.679
I say: \"No, we are the stars\' grandsons\".
00:49:37.679 --> 00:49:41.659
We are actually Earth\'s sons,
and Earth is a planet,
00:49:41.659 --> 00:49:44.329
and in some way
meteorites are the material,
00:49:44.329 --> 00:49:50.679
they are the matter that condensed to
generate everything that sustains us.
00:49:56.959 --> 00:50:00.919
It gives me a sense of fulfillment,
makes me really happy. I think I\'ll die...
00:50:00.919 --> 00:50:04.938
... and I won\'t have enough lifetimes to try
to understand the things that lay there,
00:50:05.825 --> 00:50:08.005
on a tiny piece of rock,
00:50:08.478 --> 00:50:12.048
because they have a complexity
very different from terrestrial rocks
00:50:13.505 --> 00:50:16.285
just because of the way they were formed.
00:50:21.495 --> 00:50:25.495
People are not yet paying attention
to how important this is.
00:50:25.495 --> 00:50:29.495
And I think that this is
an exciting time to be young.
00:50:29.915 --> 00:50:32.225
There\'s no way for me
to turn back the clock.
00:50:40.225 --> 00:50:44.225
The dream for us would be to find a
meteorite coming from Venus or Mercury,
00:50:44.225 --> 00:50:48.225
because we have no samples from anything
00:50:48.225 --> 00:50:51.963
closer to the Sun than the Earth
or the Moon right now.
00:50:51.963 --> 00:50:55.533
Everything comes from outside,
from the asteroid belt, from Mars,
00:50:55.533 --> 00:50:58.041
from, potentially, the outer Solar System.
00:50:58.041 --> 00:51:00.661
Yeah, I mean the next meteorite you find
could be a unique one
00:51:00.661 --> 00:51:02.824
that tells us something
completely different.
00:51:02.824 --> 00:51:06.256
That\'s what makes hunting for them so fun:
you never know what you are gonna find.
00:51:06.256 --> 00:51:07.952
There\'s a cool one coming you guys.
00:51:07.952 --> 00:51:09.632
I know there\'s a cool one coming.
00:51:10.052 --> 00:51:12.552
We\'re gonna all zoom over there
and look for it
00:51:12.552 --> 00:51:15.782
and find pieces of like:
\"Wow, look at this, something new!\".
00:51:15.782 --> 00:51:18.098
And it\'s on its way, right?
00:51:18.098 --> 00:51:18.993
So,
00:51:19.308 --> 00:51:21.353
I wouldn\'t wanna sell those either.
Distributor: Pragda Films
Length: 52 minutes
Date: 2020
Genre: Expository
Language: English; Spanish; German
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