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- [Kelli] I remember just looking at all

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- [Kelli] I remember just looking at all

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of the cows and the plains.

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And at 19, thinking to myself like wow

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And at 19, thinking to myself like wow

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there\'s so much on this
earth that I haven\'t seen.

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there\'s so much on this
earth that I haven\'t seen.

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And now I\'m getting ready
to go spend 15 years

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of my life in prison.

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- [Defense Attorney] Will
you state your full name

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- [Defense Attorney] Will
you state your full name

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for the record, please?

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- Kelli LeShawn Dillon Thomas.

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- [Defense Attorney] Dillon
was your maiden name?

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- [Defense Attorney] Dillon
was your maiden name?

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- Yes.

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I was sentenced for shooting
and killing my husband.

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I was sentenced for shooting
and killing my husband.

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The most painful thing
was when the police came

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The most painful thing
was when the police came

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to get me and having to separate
between me and my children

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even though I had protected
us from a monster.

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even though I had protected
us from a monster.

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- [Defense Attorney] The burn marks

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- [Defense Attorney] The burn marks

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were inflicted by your husband?

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- Yes.

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- [Defense Attorney] With?

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- An iron.

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- [Defense Attorney] An iron?

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- Yes.

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- [Defense Attorney] And
this occurred during a fight?

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- Yes.

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- [Defense Attorney] And he put the iron,

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what, to your neck?

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- Yes.

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- Yes.

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I\'m trying to remember
what my children felt like,

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I\'m trying to remember
what my children felt like,

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their skin felt like, what
they breath smelt like.

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(people in prison yelling)

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I cannot believe that my
life has come to this.

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I cannot believe that my
life has come to this.

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(gate banging)

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I always been a fighter.

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I always been a fighter.

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But it wasn\'t truly birthed,
until I was in prison.

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But it wasn\'t truly birthed,
until I was in prison.

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- It\'s always hard to
figure out what to wear

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- It\'s always hard to
figure out what to wear

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to prison because you can\'t
wear red, green, brown,

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khaki, orange, or denim of any color.

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When people in prison have a visit,

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When people in prison have a visit,

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they have to go through a strip search,

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and they have to expose
themselves in front

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of at least one guard if not many more.

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Usually visitors coming in
only wear black or white

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Usually visitors coming in
only wear black or white

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and I decided at some point
to bring a level of levity

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and color into the visits.

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Folks inside loved it.

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Folks inside loved it.

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They would see me coming
and start giggling

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and laughing about what
wild shoes I had on.

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There was this one correctional
officer who was like,

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There was this one correctional
officer who was like,

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\"You can\'t wear those shoes.\"

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And I was like, \"Can you point to the rule

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\"that says that these violate
any kind of dress code?\"

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All the correctional
officers and high-level folks

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All the correctional
officers and high-level folks

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from the Department of Corrections

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were always treating
me like a small child.

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And so at some point I
decided to just own it

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And so at some point I
decided to just own it

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and take on the brand of kind

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of being like a tacky whipper-snapper.

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(gentle music)

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(gentle music)

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Waking up and leaving the
house before six in the morning

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Waking up and leaving the
house before six in the morning

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and driving to prison and
spending the day bearing witness

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to pretty significant trauma,
it\'s really very draining.

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Whenever you\'re fighting
human rights abuses in prison,

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Whenever you\'re fighting
human rights abuses in prison,

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you never know what to expect.

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- The first thing I remember seeing,

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- The first thing I remember seeing,

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the girls yelling in the cells.

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And it just look like top and
bottom tier of caged animals.

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And it just look like top and
bottom tier of caged animals.

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Everything is exposed.

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Everything is exposed.

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You have male officers who
can actually look in the cell

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and see women sitting on the
toilet, changing their pads.

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(mysterious music)

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A few years later, I began

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A few years later, I began

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to experience like abdominal pain.

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I was told I had a abnormal pap smear

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I was told I had a abnormal pap smear

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and needed a cone biopsy
to look for cancer.

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The doctor said that it
seems like I had cysts

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The doctor said that it
seems like I had cysts

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that was growing on my ovaries.

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He asked me how old I was.

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I was about 24.

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He said, \"Do you want any children?\"

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I said, \"Yes, I have two sons already

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\"and because I\'m not going to
have a chance to raise them,

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\"I\'m looking forward to meeting someone

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\"who actually loves me and
raising more children.\"

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So he said, \"If I find cancer,

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\"do you want us to do a hysterectomy?\"

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And I said, \"Yes, if you find cancer.\"

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So me and four other girls were
called out to get chained up

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So me and four other girls were
called out to get chained up

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in order to go out for surgery.

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Everything\'s assembly line.

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We\'re all handed a piece
of paper by two nurses.

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They\'re standing there
like, \"You guys need

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\"to hurry up and sign.\"

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We\'re trying to read as
much as we can to understand

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but for the most part we\'re looking

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and it said this is for you to consent

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to the surgery that you\'re having today.

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(heart monitor beeping)

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(heart monitor beeping)

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When I came out I felt
like something was wrong.

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When I came out I felt
like something was wrong.

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He told me, \"Everything is
fine, we took out some cysts.\"

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He told me, \"Everything is
fine, we took out some cysts.\"

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So then I asked him,

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\"Will I still be able to have children?\"

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And he was like, \"Yeah,
I don\'t see why not.\"

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(telephone ringing)

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(telephone ringing)

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- [Nora] Can you tell me
where you\'re calling from?

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- [Nora] Can you tell me
where you\'re calling from?

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Do you mind if I get your name

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Do you mind if I get your name

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just in case we\'re disconnected?

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Is she happy to tell you more about...

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- Are you starting to
actually get more hope

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though around your own case?

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We were getting hundreds of letters

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We were getting hundreds of letters

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about horrible medical abuses every month.

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But then, one day, we got
this letter from Kelli Dillon.

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But then, one day, we got
this letter from Kelli Dillon.

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And it was really troubling.

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(mysterious music)

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(mysterious music)

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- [Kelli] It\'s almost nine months past

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- [Kelli] It\'s almost nine months past

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and I haven\'t had my period.

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I got bad panic attacks,
heart palpitations,

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I got bad panic attacks,
heart palpitations,

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night sweats and I\'m damn
near a hundred pounds smaller.

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(water splashing)

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(water splashing)

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- She was suffering all these symptoms

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that were classic symptoms
of surgical menopause.

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But she was a young woman in her 20s.

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- Cynthia advised me, you need
to get your medical records.

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- Cynthia advised me, you need
to get your medical records.

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After six months of fighting
to just get my medical records,

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After six months of fighting
to just get my medical records,

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Cynthia sat with me in the visiting room

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Cynthia sat with me in the visiting room

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and she read them to me.

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This says that you have
abnormal cervical cells.

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This says that you have
abnormal cervical cells.

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I asked her did it ever say I have cancer?

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She said, \"No, you never had cancer.\"

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I had been intentionally
sterilized and I had been lied to.

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I had been intentionally
sterilized and I had been lied to.

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- My name is Cynthia Chandler.

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- My name is Cynthia Chandler.

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I\'m the co-director of the
Justice Network on Women,

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which is a new organization
based in Oakland

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that provides legal services
and community organizing

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around the needs of women prisoners.

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When I got out of law school in 1995,

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I didn\'t know anything about
anything happening in prison

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until really meeting people
who were really living there

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who had to make prison their life.

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- I\'m HIV and Hep-C co-infected,

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I\'m self disclosed.

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I had heard some bits
and pieces about Cynthia.

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She was a young white woman, Harvard grad

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and Cindy came up to me
and I can\'t even imagine

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what she\'s got to tell me.

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- We\'re failing to provide
the most basic care

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to the sickest and most
vulnerable of the women

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who are in this prison system.

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- She was an attorney for
compassionate release.

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And I was like, compassionate release?

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Like, who does that?

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Like who fights for
somebody that\'s going to die

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and you fight to get them home?

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- Many of us watched
Rosemary Willoughby die

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because the Department
of Corrections refused

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to acknowledge that she was dying.

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Her worst nightmare came true.

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She died absolutely alone, surrounded

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by not a single person who she loved.

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- She started making kind of sense to me,

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- She started making kind of sense to me,

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how us women need to learn how
to defend ourselves legally

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and how we need to find a remedy

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and how we need to find a remedy

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for human rights violations inside.

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It shouldn\'t be up to an inmate

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to have to sit and figure
out what my T-cell count is

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and what it means to me.

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- I watched two women die on my yard,

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that I was very close to and that I knew.

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If I could see that the
whites of their eyes

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were as yellow as a caution sign,

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why couldn\'t somebody else?

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- Healthcare is so bleak,

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it\'s hard to imagine
it\'s even by accident.

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- [Ted] Last year there were
about a 150 formal complaints

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- [Ted] Last year there were
about a 150 formal complaints

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filed by inmates every
month from allegations

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of incompetence to actual
charges of sexual harassment.

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- We have a healthcare staff who,

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you go in for a cut on the finger,

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likes to give you a pap smear.

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- For a chest cold, oh let
me, you know, do a pap smear.

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- I\'ve heard inmates tell me
that they would deliberately,

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like to be examined.

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The only male contact they get.

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- You\'re telling me
they\'re coming in here,

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in effect asking for them?

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- Well--
- As some sort of titillation?

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- It could very well be,
it could very well be.

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(mysterious music)

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(mysterious music)

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- California\'s Women\'s prisons

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- California\'s Women\'s prisons

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have always had a horrific
track record of medical care.

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- This Friday Judge Thelton
Henderson delivered a ruling

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that charged deplorable conditions

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in state prisoner medical care.

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- They had doctors in what
looked like broom closets

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seeing prisoners.

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And I went and saw them standing in line,

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the ceiling was dripping water

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and they were standing in a half inch

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of water waiting to be seen.

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- [Cynthia] The federal courts took over

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- [Cynthia] The federal courts took over

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the whole healthcare system
for California\'s prisons

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and placed it under federal receivership

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to bring the healthcare up
to constitutional standards.

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- You know people would say,

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- You know people would say,

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well how dare you know a receiver

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or somebody come into our house

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and tell us how to do things.

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CDC is punishment.

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CDC is punishment.

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And there was a lot of pushback
on adding rehabilitation

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And there was a lot of pushback
on adding rehabilitation

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to just CDC and making it CDCR.

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They really saw the
receivership as a threat.

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They really saw the
receivership as a threat.

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I worked at the Central
California Women\'s Facility

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I worked at the Central
California Women\'s Facility

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for about 17 years.

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(wind chimes jingling)

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People that do things for
inmates or that try to ensure

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that they get their care,
they\'re called inmate lovers.

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You\'re an inmate lover.

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I have some fear what kind
of repercussions will I get

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I have some fear what kind
of repercussions will I get

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for coming on and talking about this.

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I took an oath when I
graduated from nursing school

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I took an oath when I
graduated from nursing school

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and it\'s that you do no harm.

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But inmates become numbers.

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You don\'t get names and
that\'s what makes it easy

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to abuse them.

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(birds singing)
(mysterious music)

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- I was sitting down in
the middle of the yard.

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- I was sitting down in
the middle of the yard.

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I see this young African
American girl walk out

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of the medical building, and
she\'s holding her abdomen area.

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And I say, \"I know it\'s not my business

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\"but what kind of surgery did you have?\"

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She said, \"I had to get
a partial hysterectomy.\"

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I said, \"For what?\"

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She said, \"Oh, they said
I have abnormal cells.\"

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And then that\'s when boop,
the light bulb went off.

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Why is it all of a sudden we got all

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Why is it all of a sudden we got all

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of these reproductive problems?

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That\'s when I was like aw
nah, this don\'t sound right.

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I made a phone call back to Cynthia.

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I think that they\'ve been
doing this to other women.

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I started carrying a briefcase with forms

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I started carrying a briefcase with forms

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so I could help people
contact Justice Now.

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(door slamming)

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(door slamming)

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- Thanks to Kelli\'s
organizing we were able

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to uncover a dozen instances
of people being sterilized

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during other kinds of surgeries.

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(Cynthia sighing)

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(Cynthia sighing)

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The room is kind of hot.

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- [Woman] Yeah, it is.

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- [Cynthia] Thank you for
meeting with me today.

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- [Woman] Uh huh.

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- [Cynthia] So, if you could
summarize what happened

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in terms of the surgery you had.

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- [Woman] I put in a
request to see the doctor

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- [Woman] I put in a
request to see the doctor

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because I\'ve had bad cramps.

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He said you have fibroid
tumors and severe endometriosis

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so that causes a higher
risk of cervical cancer.

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He talked me into a hysterectomy.

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He talked me into a hysterectomy.

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Four years later, I
went to an OBGYN doctor.

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Four years later, I
went to an OBGYN doctor.

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I asked him did I have
tumors and endometriosis?

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And he said, \"I don\'t
see any of that on here.\"

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And he said, \"I don\'t
see any of that on here.\"

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You gave me a hysterectomy
for severe cramps?

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You gave me a hysterectomy
for severe cramps?

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- [Woman 1] He did a pelvic exam.

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- [Woman 1] He did a pelvic exam.

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- [Woman 2] He gave me some kind of test

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and said I had some, a fibroid.

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- [WOMAN 3] I was told
that I had cancer cells.

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- [WOMAN 4] They told me that I had

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to have my ovaries removed.

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I had no choice.

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- [WOMAN 5] We actually used
to call them the surgeries

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of the month because they
were happening so frequently,

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so many people were
getting hysterectomies.

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That was a cure-all.

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That\'s what it was.

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- It\'s usually impossible
to find representation

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- It\'s usually impossible
to find representation

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for people who are harmed in prison

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because the cases are both
too difficult and too costly

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and no attorneys will take them.

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In Kelli\'s case, the harm was so egregious

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that we were able to secure pro-bono,

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one of the best law firms in
the state to represent her.

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- Although the fight was in me,

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I was very much intimidated by
whom I was going up against.

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- [Defense Attorney] I
saw that you had a number

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- [Defense Attorney] I
saw that you had a number

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of health issues after surgery.

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- I felt like um I was losing
a lot of weight at the time.

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I was in a lot of pain.

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I thought that I was dying.

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- [Defense Attorney] What did you weigh

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when you went into prison?

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- Like 235 pounds.

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- [Defense Attorney] What was
the least that you weighed?

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- [Defense Attorney] What was
the least that you weighed?

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- 118 pounds.

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The doctor thought maybe
I was a hypochondriac.

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And he said that I should be
happy that I had lost weight

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so many women would love
to have lost the amount

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of weight that I\'ve lost.

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One doctor told me, well how
do you expect for someone

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to treat you if you are suing them?

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- [Defense Attorney] I\'m
gonna bounce around a bit.

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- [Defense Attorney] I\'m
gonna bounce around a bit.

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Other than the offense that
you\'re currently in on,

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did you have any other convictions?

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- No.

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- [Defense Attorney] The
circumstances that led

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to your current incarceration.

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Tell me about that?

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Do you need to take a break?

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Do you need to take a break?

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- They would have her recount

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everything about her commitment offense

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because they were looking for evidence

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of her being someone who lies,

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of her being someone who
is lacking of character.

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- [Defense Attorney] How many times

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- [Defense Attorney] How many times

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did you receive medical treatment

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for injuries you suffered as
a result of domestic violence?

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- Numerous, I can\'t...

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- Numerous, I can\'t...

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I don\'t have a specific number.

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I don\'t have a specific number.

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- [Defense Attorney] Can
you give me an estimate?

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Five, 10, 20?

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- You know my heart had
already been broken,

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- You know my heart had
already been broken,

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my spirit had already been crushed,

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I didn\'t, I didn\'t have nothing to lose.

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(gentle music)

18:23.636 --> 18:26.222
(gentle music)

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My attorneys postponed the
trial until I actually paroled.

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My attorneys postponed the
trial until I actually paroled.

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I felt like I was going
to get a real chance at...

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I felt like I was going
to get a real chance at...

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I don\'t know I just thought

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I don\'t know I just thought

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that maybe this was the
beginning of the tables turning.

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- [Cynthia] The smoking
gun in her case was

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- [Cynthia] The smoking
gun in her case was

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that they cut off the
blood supply to her ovaries

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and removed them, dissected them

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and they were never
supposed to do any of that.

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- [Defense Attorney] And
you knew that your ovaries

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- [Defense Attorney] And
you knew that your ovaries

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produced the eggs and an egg
was required to have a baby?

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- Yes.

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- [Defense Attorney] In
your complaint it\'s alleged

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that if you\'d have known
there was a possibility

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that your ovaries might have been
removed during the surgery,

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you would not have consented to it.

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- Yes.

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- [Defense Attorney] Was the
plan that if he found cancer

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at surgery that he was going
to at that same surgery,

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do a partial hysterectomy?

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- That was my understanding.

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- She consented to removing everything

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if and only if she had cancer

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and it had spread and was invasive.

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She didn\'t have cancer.

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- [Defense Attorney] At
any point while you were

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at Madera Community Hospital,
did anybody tell you

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that all of your ovaries had been removed?

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- No.

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- [Defense Attorney]
When was the first time

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a doctor told you that you
had been missing your ovaries?

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- No one ever told me that.

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- [Defense Attorney] No
medical doctors ever said

19:49.555 --> 19:50.014
that to you?

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- No.

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(mysterious music)

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The jury was predominantly
white from Fresno County.

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I\'m looking at this jury hoping

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I\'m looking at this jury

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that they would say this is wrong.

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hoping that they would say this is wrong.

20:05.697 --> 20:07.824
No matter what or why she was there,

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she didn\'t deserve this to happen to her.

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- After a seven day trial,

20:13.162 --> 20:17.250
the jury believed the
doctor\'s versions of events.

20:17.250 --> 20:19.752
That Kelli knew something
was wrong at the end

20:19.752 --> 20:23.423
of the surgery, that she
then missed the time she had

20:23.423 --> 20:27.176
to bring a claim under the
statute of limitations.

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And they used that to just
dismiss all of her claims.

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- I watched my lead
attorney as well as her team

20:33.141 --> 20:37.895
- I watched my lead
attorney as well as her team

20:37.895 --> 20:42.483
walk out the room and tears
begin to roll down they eyes.

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And I just looked at them
and I said, \"Thank you,

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And I just looked at them
and I said, \"Thank you,

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\"for fighting for me.

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\"Even if it was just for the fight.\"

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\"Even if it was just for the fight.\"

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- Question 43.

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- Question 43.

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If you found for plaintiff
on any of her claims

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and found that those
claims were not barred

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by any statute of limitations,

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what total damages do
you award Miss. Thomas?

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Zero dollars.

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Zero dollars.

21:13.890 --> 21:15.057
Zero dollars.

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Zero dollars.

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Zero dollars.

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- I was looking at these documents

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- I was looking at these documents

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that was confirming that as a black woman,

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my life wasn\'t shit.

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It didn\'t mean anything.

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It had no purpose.

21:32.909 --> 21:35.703
(sorrowful music)

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I really couldn\'t enjoy my coming home.

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I really couldn\'t enjoy my coming home.

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My mind was in the trial

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My mind was in the trial

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for the first 3 months of my freedom.

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This photo album I kept with me in prison.

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This photo album I kept with me in prison.

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This my favorite picture,

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This my favorite picture,

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Anthony coming to visit me in prison.

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Out of the 15 years I was
there, we had about five visits.

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Out of the 15 years I was
there, we had about five visits.

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When I left my sons was two and four,

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When I left my sons was two and four,

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so I\'m watching my children grow up

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on the other side of a glass.

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It was hard.

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It was hard.

22:48.192 --> 22:49.986
(melancholic music)

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When I came home they
were 16 and 18 years old.

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I begin to hear from my children,

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I begin to hear from my children,

22:59.203 --> 23:03.165
\"You didn\'t have to go
to prison, you chose to.\"

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I said, \"Did they ever tell
you that how much I loved you?

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I said, \"Did they ever tell
you that how much I loved you?

23:07.753 --> 23:10.214
\"Did they ever tell you
of what I did in order

23:10.214 --> 23:14.343
\"to make sure that a hand
was never laid on you?\"

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I posted this up on my Facebook

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I posted this up on my Facebook

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and it said, \"This is what
domestic violence looks like.\"

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Looking at this picture
you could never see

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Looking at this picture
you could never see

23:29.025 --> 23:32.778
that I was a victim of domestic violence

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\'cause it looks like we\'re
madly in love, you know?

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- [Cynthia] Okay, here
I\'ll get the door for you.

23:57.470 --> 24:00.681
- [Cynthia] Okay, here
I\'ll get the door for you.

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- Oh.
- Ooh.

24:05.811 --> 24:07.521
- Oh.
- Ooh.

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- Gross!

24:08.773 --> 24:10.232
- [Sophie] That was a rotten egg too!

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- [Cynthia] Okay, then.

24:11.108 --> 24:13.486
- [Lilah] I don\'t know if I
wanna pick up the next one.

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- [Cynthia] This one\'s okay.

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- My mom is--
- My mom is eccentric.

24:26.958 --> 24:29.585
- My mom is--
- My mom is eccentric.

24:29.585 --> 24:33.172
- My mom is weird.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Professionally she\'s a person
who gets people out of prison

24:37.969 --> 24:40.304
and for fun she\'s just all like,

24:40.304 --> 24:42.890
hmm, blah and spazzes out.

24:42.890 --> 24:44.392
- She talks to people

24:44.392 --> 24:46.852
and then she writes stuff on the computer

24:46.852 --> 24:49.563
and then she makes sure
people does stuff, and then--

24:49.563 --> 24:50.731
- She has meetings a lot

24:50.731 --> 24:51.691
- Yeah, and--

24:51.691 --> 24:54.610
- [Lilah] And she goes to a
prison in the desert a lot.

24:54.610 --> 24:56.320
- [Sophie] And then she\'d cry.

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- She cries a lot.

24:57.446 --> 24:58.447
- For a long time.

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- A lot.

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- Activism\'s very labor
intensive and annoying

25:00.408 --> 25:03.577
- Activism\'s very labor
intensive and annoying

25:03.577 --> 25:05.413
and I would not do it.

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It\'s important but boring.

25:06.998 --> 25:09.208
It\'s important but boring.

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- Yeah.

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- I\'d rather do genetics.

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- Ditto.

25:12.420 --> 25:14.588
- You don\'t even know what genetics are!

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- I know, right (laughs)!

25:17.717 --> 25:18.134
(gentle music)

25:18.134 --> 25:20.302
(gentle music)

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- I grew up in a really
controlled household.

25:21.470 --> 25:25.474
- I grew up in a really
controlled household.

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My house was sort of museum perfect,

25:27.893 --> 25:29.770
photo ready at all times.

25:31.897 --> 25:32.565
And doing things that
were just in the face

25:32.565 --> 25:35.234
And doing things that
were just in the face

25:35.234 --> 25:37.194
of what social norms and standards were,

25:37.194 --> 25:39.947
was very key to my teenage years

25:39.947 --> 25:42.450
of rebelling against my household.

25:42.450 --> 25:45.953
I was the only girl in my
entire school with a Mohawk.

25:45.953 --> 25:47.246
There were kids in my
school who were like,

25:47.246 --> 25:49.248
\"Why do you look so weird?\"

25:49.248 --> 25:51.042
(Cynthia laughing)

25:51.042 --> 25:53.335
Like, \"Why do you do this?\"

25:53.878 --> 25:54.670
I found a sense of
community and camaraderie

25:54.670 --> 25:57.506
I found a sense of
community and camaraderie

25:57.506 --> 26:02.386
with teens that were living
and working on the streets.

26:02.386 --> 26:02.762
We used to hang out by the
Liberty Bell in Philadelphia

26:02.762 --> 26:06.640
We used to hang out by the
Liberty Bell in Philadelphia

26:06.640 --> 26:10.519
and snarl and make faces with
all of our punk regalia on

26:10.519 --> 26:12.772
and charge like five bucks
a picture from tourists.

26:12.772 --> 26:15.066
So, there could be something
as innocent as that.

26:15.066 --> 26:19.487
To, people selling drugs,
to people selling sex.

26:19.487 --> 26:23.657
Basically doing whatever
they had to do to get by.

26:24.533 --> 26:25.201
You couldn\'t hang out
with kids in the 1980s

26:25.201 --> 26:28.662
You couldn\'t hang out
with kids in the 1980s

26:28.662 --> 26:30.664
in the emergence of the HIV epidemic

26:30.664 --> 26:34.293
and not understand the
horrors of policing,

26:34.293 --> 26:36.670
the horrors of what happens
when people don\'t have access

26:36.670 --> 26:39.298
to healthcare, the horrors of racism,

26:39.298 --> 26:42.093
all of this stuff, all intertwined.

26:42.343 --> 26:43.010
I could be with those kids
on the same street corner

26:43.010 --> 26:45.387
I could be with those kids
on the same street corner

26:45.387 --> 26:47.515
and my life was going
to turn out differently

26:47.515 --> 26:51.227
because of my class privilege
and racial privilege.

26:53.145 --> 26:53.813
And so I felt like it behooved me

26:53.813 --> 26:55.523
And so I felt like it behooved me

26:55.523 --> 26:57.817
to do something to change that.

27:09.161 --> 27:09.745
We were all really optimistic
about Kelli\'s case.

27:09.745 --> 27:12.873
We were all really optimistic
about Kelli\'s case.

27:12.873 --> 27:15.042
It seemed like one of those rare instances

27:15.042 --> 27:18.671
where we really could see justice happen.

27:18.671 --> 27:21.882
When she lost, it was just devastating.

27:23.300 --> 27:23.968
And then suddenly a
whistleblower sent us the minutes

27:23.968 --> 27:27.304
And then suddenly a
whistleblower sent us the minutes

27:27.304 --> 27:28.764
of a recent committee meeting

27:28.764 --> 27:32.017
of the California
Department of Corrections.

27:32.059 --> 27:32.852
I was trying to figure
out what to search for

27:32.852 --> 27:34.311
I was trying to figure
out what to search for

27:34.311 --> 27:37.148
and I thought for sure it would be hidden.

27:37.148 --> 27:38.566
And then I saw the header,

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Birth Control and
Sterilization right there.

27:41.068 --> 27:43.070
(mysterious music)

27:43.070 --> 27:45.447
Their research showed it
would be very cost effective

27:45.447 --> 27:49.201
to sterilize women during
labor and delivery.

27:49.910 --> 27:50.578
- They were discussing
within their meeting

27:50.578 --> 27:52.746
- They were discussing
within their meeting

27:52.746 --> 27:55.166
about how to reclassify tubal ligation

27:55.166 --> 27:56.750
as medically necessary in order for it

27:56.750 --> 27:58.627
to be paid for by the state.

27:58.627 --> 28:01.881
- Federal and state laws
prohibit sterilizing people

28:01.881 --> 28:04.341
in prison for the purpose of birth control

28:04.341 --> 28:06.719
but they were doing it anyway.

28:06.719 --> 28:11.098
So we sent a list of questions
to the Federal Receivership.

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The whole job of that
office is to make sure

28:11.765 --> 28:14.185
The whole job of that
office is to make sure

28:14.185 --> 28:17.771
the laws are followed in
healthcare delivery in the prisons.

28:17.771 --> 28:18.063
One of the questions was
had they in fact started

28:18.063 --> 28:20.649
One of the questions was
had they in fact started

28:20.649 --> 28:23.819
sterilizing women during
labor and delivery?

28:23.819 --> 28:25.196
And the response was that yes,

28:25.196 --> 28:28.741
they were doing that
at two women\'s prisons.

28:29.241 --> 28:29.909
This was signed by the
Federal Receiver himself.

28:29.909 --> 28:32.828
This was signed by the
Federal Receiver himself.

28:32.828 --> 28:36.916
And could he be so clueless
that he wouldn\'t even know

28:36.916 --> 28:39.793
that he had just like stuck
his foot in his mouth?

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(powerful music)

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(powerful music)

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Any hearing that came up

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Any hearing that came up

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that even touched on
women\'s prisons, I would go.

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So there\'s a federal
law that made it illegal

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for any entity that gets federal dollars

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to sterilize people who,

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for the purpose of birth
control who are in prisons.

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And then I would present
people the minutes

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and I would say, \"Hey, the
state has recommended this.

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\"This is outrageous.

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\"This is illegal under federal law.\"

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They see that as a cost-effective moment,

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an opportune moment in
which to sterilize people.

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- [Woman] Definition section...

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- We were assured that, no, no,

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that was just something
that people talked about in

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that meeting but they
actually weren\'t going to do

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or it was just an aside.

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It wasn\'t a big deal.

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They\'re not actually doing that.

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Just don\'t worry your pretty little heads.

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- We were met with comments like, \"Well,

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\"those women wouldn\'t really
wanna have more children

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\"anyway, would they?\"

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- I was in between projects.

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- I was in between projects.

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So I was kinda prospecting,

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and CNN was playing in the background.

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- Tonight a report on a
really disturbing chapter

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- Tonight a report on a
really disturbing chapter

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in our history, one
that\'s a lot more recent

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than you might think.

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We\'re talking about eugenics,

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a word which is obviously
typically associated

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with Nazi Germany.

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But there was a large
eugenics movement in America

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before and after World War II.

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- [Reporter] The goal?

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To rid the country of the feeble minded.

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- Disability, race, and
gender were the criteria.

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By the 1930s, thirty states
had passed laws allowing

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for coercive sterilization.

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- [Reporter] But California
was in a league of its own.

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The Golden State sterilized
20 thousand people.

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- That blew my mind.

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More people were sterilized in California

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More people were sterilized in California

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than any other state in the country.

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(mysterious music)

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The Germans had actually
came over to California

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The Germans had actually
came over to California

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to study California\'s program
and then used the lessons

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to create their eugenics
program in Nazi Germany.

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- [Dorothy] After World War II,

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eugenics goes sort of underground.

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- [Narrator] The distribution
of people is far off balance.

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High birth rates go hand
in hand with low income.

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- It became more a policy
of population control

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through birth control
policy, welfare policy.

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And now it was targeted
mostly at women of color.

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♪ Got enough children, what do we do ♪

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♪ Got enough children, what do we do ♪

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- [Dorothy] There are
government-sponsored campaigns

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to sterilize indigenous
women, women on Puerto Rico,

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Mexican origin women in California,

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as well as black women
in the United States.

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- [Interviewer] You\'re
saying, sterilize the woman

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if she\'s had more than
two illegitimate children?

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- Right.

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- [Interviewer] If she\'s on welfare?

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- Absolutely.

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- Last week a black Alabama couple

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filed a one-million-dollar damage suit

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against the government charging

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that their two daughters
had been sterilized

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without their informed consent.

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- I put a X on a piece
of paper and she told me,

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that they were gonna give them some shots.

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- [Man] I see.

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- That\'s what she told me.

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- [Interviewer] Why were
they giving you the shots

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in the first place?

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- It keeping us from having children.

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They said they didn\'t want
us to have no children.

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- [Interviewer] Did it hurt you?

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- Doctors around the country
performed hysterectomies

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- Doctors around the country
performed hysterectomies

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on young black women just
to practice hysterectomies.

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- [Anderson] 10s of thousands of Americans

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were operated on against their will,

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or without their consent.

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- [Reporter] The government today

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announced strict new
rules to protect people

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who are sterilized.
- The guidelines require

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written informed consent.
- A Washington federal judge

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barred the government
- Expected to effect

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more than a 100 thousand persons a year.

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Of minors under age 21,
welfare mothers and others.

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- The idea sparked in my head

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- The idea sparked in my head

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that I would spend some time looking

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at historical eugenics in California.

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I started to google and I saw an article

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that Cynthia Chandler had written.

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So I immediately called her up.

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And I was like, \"Is it true

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\"that there are people in the
prisons getting sterilized?\"

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And she said, \"Of course it\'s true.\"

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- We\'ve heard from a lot of people

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- We\'ve heard from a lot of people

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about the surgeries that
are happening on the inside.

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What a hysterectomy is, is
the removal of your uterus.

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What a hysterectomy is, is
the removal of your uterus.

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They typically would take
the fallopian tubes as well

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and possibly the ovaries.

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When the ovaries are removed

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and there\'s that big drop in estrogen,

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people can have a lot
of different symptoms.

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Having a lot of hot
flashes, big mood changes,

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and your period stops.

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And then another thing that
we were hearing from people

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was tubal ligation.

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The surgeon will cut the fallopian tubes.

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We\'ve heard from
individuals who were asked

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to sign forms when they were
being put under anesthesia,

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if the doctor is asking repeatedly

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and you don\'t say yes,
they might just go ahead

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and do it anyway, especially
if you\'re having a C-section,

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because your reproductive organs,

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all of this good stuff,

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it\'s already out on the
table basically, literally.

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It would not be difficult,
cut and cauterize your tubes

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if they wanted to.

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And you don\'t know that you
can\'t have more children

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in the future.

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(gentle music)

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(gentle music)

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- I was given a six month
sentence and I was pregnant.

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- I was given a six month
sentence and I was pregnant.

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So I asked the judge if
I could either be sent

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So I asked the judge if
I could either be sent

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to a mother infant program
instead of going to prison.

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That way I could avoid
giving birth in prison

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and being separated from my newborn baby.

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And she didn\'t wanna do that.

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They made me have a C-section.

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They made me have a C-section.

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And I kept asking her why do
I have to have a C-section?

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And I kept asking her why do
I have to have a C-section?

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They said because of security purposes.

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You\'re gonna do major surgery
on me and cut open my body

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You\'re gonna do major surgery
on me and cut open my body

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for security purposes?

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I get to Madera County hospital,

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I get to Madera County hospital,

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I\'m handcuffed to the bed,
cut open, under anesthesia.

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I had an epidural.

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I\'m just majorly drugged up

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to where I don\'t even know

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to where I don\'t even know

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probably what day of the week it is.

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The doctor had me sign a form.

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The doctor had me sign a form.

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He said, \"Are we doing
a tubal ligation here?\"

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He said, \"Are we doing
a tubal ligation here?\"

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That\'s something you\'re
supposed to sit down

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and discuss in the office
prior to the surgery.

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That\'s not something you just throw on me

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as you\'re cutting me open.

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And I declined and I couldn\'t even sign it

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And I declined and I couldn\'t even sign it

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so I just put an X.

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And I have no idea what I X\'d.

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And I have no idea what I X\'d.

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- [Cynthia] We started putting in a series

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- [Cynthia] We started putting in a series

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of public record act
requests to get the numbers

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and the data on how many
people were sterilized.

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- So this is all the data,
this is vaginal deliveries

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and C-sections that\'s in here.

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- [Cynthia] Right.

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222 C-sections out of 393 births.

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- [Robin] Yeah.

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- [Robin] Yeah.

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- [Cynthia] That\'s a really remarkably

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high rate of C-sections.

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- [Robin] Yeah.

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- [Cynthia] It\'s a little fishy to imagine

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- [Cynthia] It\'s a little fishy to imagine

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that multiple people would be
giving birth on the same day

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also having C-sections and also choosing

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to have tubal ligations.

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- [Robin] So you can see
there\'s ligate oviducts add-on

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- [Robin] So you can see
there\'s ligate oviducts add-on

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and that kind of kills
me, the add-on part.

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It wasn\'t necessary for the surgery

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but we thought we\'d just

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take away your reproductive capacity.

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(investigative music)

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- Justice Now had gotten a partial list

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- Justice Now had gotten a partial list

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of tubal ligation surgeries
that had been reimbursed

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to the doctors so the state
were paying the doctors

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for having performed these surgeries.

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As an investigative reporter,

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I\'ve seen spreadsheets
that have fields removed.

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And I was like there\'s more to this data

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than what you guys have.

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There is a culture of
secrecy in California.

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There is a culture of
secrecy in California.

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They don\'t call it secrecy,
they call it privacy.

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Not only do you have women in prison,

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you have laws around protecting
their confidentiality,

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but then you have medical privacy.

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There\'s just layers and layers

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of plausible reasons
why somebody can say no.

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So I was getting doors slammed

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and stonewalled left and right.

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Then it became a question

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of how do I put a human face on this data.

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Justice Now had access on the
inside that I didn\'t have.

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Justice Now had access on the
inside that I didn\'t have.

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And so I was very anxious.

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You know, hook me up here, give me access

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to somebody who can help me.

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- In 2006, I was sentenced to
Valley State Prison for Women.

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- In 2006, I was sentenced to
Valley State Prison for Women.

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I was 21 years old and I
was pregnant at the time.

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- Someone asked me to
work out at the prison

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- Someone asked me to
work out at the prison

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in the OB department.

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And I\'m like, \"OB department?\"

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You have an OB department in prison?

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Yeah.

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You know, women come in pregnant.

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And I\'m like oh, okay (laughs).

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That\'s a new thought.

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- See when you go way over on this side

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- See when you go way over on this side

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there\'s just not much fluid

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and you\'ve had this happen to you before.

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- Yeah.

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- I was there being seen by Dr. Heinrich.

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He was eating while I was, you know,

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laid up on the bed waiting to be examined.

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- He would be doing a vaginal
exam and be smacking his lips

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and that just grossed the patients out.

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- And I\'m like, is this the best time

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to be eating that sandwich?

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Right, while you\'re doing a pap smear?

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- [Corey] He\'d be working
without gloves on,

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- [Corey] He\'d be working
without gloves on,

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or eating popcorn.

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It was just filthy.

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He had a history of lawsuits

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He had a history of lawsuits

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that resulted in settlements

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where the allegations were really serious.

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We\'re talking basic level mistakes

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that resulted in permanently
deformed children

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or permanently deformed women.

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- I ended up working at the infirmary.

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- I ended up working at the infirmary.

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I would have to give
the inmates urine cups

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and write their name on it.

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While I was working the infirmary,

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Dr. Heinrich made a comment

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that some people shouldn\'t have kids,

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because they keep coming
back and forth to prison,

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he sees women that come back and forth

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to prison all the time and
they keep coming back pregnant.

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- Heinrich would look at their file.

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- Heinrich would look at their file.

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He would figure out if
this was their first time

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or if this was a repeat time.

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And then he would make a judgment call

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to pitch the woman on
getting their tubes tied.

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- He would become somewhat
pushy about it and insistent.

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- I talked to the nurses all the time

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and I don\'t know if maybe
they played a factor

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in softening up Dr. Heinrich
not to have me sterilized

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because it was my first time in prison.

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- One of the challenges with this story

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- One of the challenges with this story

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and the question of eugenics,

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you ultimately have to get to intent.

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You have inmates making allegations

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You have inmates making allegations

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against people who have PhDs, right?

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And so the question then
becomes how do you know

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that the crook is telling the truth?

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So I\'m calling Dr. Heinrich
and I get a woman she says,

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So I\'m calling Dr. Heinrich
and I get a woman she says,

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\"He\'s not gonna talk,\"
she slams the phone down.

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But I\'m getting desperate.

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And I decide to just get in
my car and drive to his house.

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And I decide to just get in
my car and drive to his house.

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And I just knock on the door
and I\'m drenched in sweat,

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and he came to the door and I said,

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and he came to the door and I said,

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\"Hi, Dr. Heinrich, my
name\'s Corey Johnson,

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\"I\'m with Center for
Investigative Reporting,

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\"can I have some water?\"

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And he stopped and he
said, \"Okay, come on in.\"

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And as I get the water,
I pull out my laptop

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and I show him a spreadsheet of costs

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and I say to him point
blank, \"The rules say

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\"that sterilization
procedures were banned.

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\"And according to this spreadsheet,

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\"there\'s well over
$100,000 that has been paid

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of taxpayer money on a
procedure that\'s banned.\"

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And then that\'s when he said,

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\"Well, that\'s cheaper than welfare.\"

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- [Reporter 1] A bombshell report from the

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- [Reporter 1] A bombshell report from the

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Center of Investigative Reporting--

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- [Reporter 2] Female
inmates in California

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were illegally sterilized.

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- [Reporter 3] Doctors pressured
them into tubal ligations.

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- While they were on an
operating table, heavily sedated.

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- That\'s absolutely not
the appropriate time

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to be attempting to get consent

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for major life-changing surgery.

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- [Reporter] Prison officials claim

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it helped save the state money.

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- It\'s like a drop in the bucket compared

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to quote, \"What you save in welfare

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\"paying for these unwanted children

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\"as they procreated more.\"

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- And these are by the way,

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mostly repeat offenders
who were sterilized.

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- Where are they getting
pregnant in prison,

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like that\'s the first
question you have to address?

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- No, absolutely not.
- Disgusting, eww.

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- When the story came out, within hours

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there were at least 700 comments.

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Within a day there was over 2000.

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- [Woman] Why does the state
need to give its consent

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- [Woman] Why does the state
need to give its consent

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if the women already are?

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- [Man] We give our
criminals way too many rights

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when they go to prison.

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People get up in arms and
say this is like eugenics.

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- [Woman] If they can\'t
stay out of jail and raise

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their kids without our
assistance, why reproduce?

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Can you explain why you
consider these coercive?

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- [Woman] Since when do
prisoners\' rights trump the rights

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of the people that live in
the state of California.

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- [Man] Unless you can
step forward and show

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that you have the financial wherewithal

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to take care of the child, I\'m going

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to prohibit you from having a child...

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- [Corey] It got real ugly.

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- [Corey] It got real ugly.

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There were days where I just
would not look at the comments

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because I didn\'t want to be
messed up in the head all day.

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- [Chair] Okay, if
everybody would take a seat,

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- [Chair] Okay, if
everybody would take a seat,

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we\'re gonna get started.

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- The fact that it is the 21st century

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- The fact that it is the 21st century

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and we have to ask our
state auditor to see

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if women in California are
being coercively sterilized

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is absolutely unconscionable
and frankly revolting.

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- Joyce Hayhoe representing

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- Joyce Hayhoe representing

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California Correctional
Healthcare Services.

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First of all we support this
audit request and we believe--

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- Well, I certainly as chair appreciate

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that you\'re here to support the audit.

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I think the more important
question is why you didn\'t know.

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The Receiver was put in place specifically

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to come in and protect the
constitutional rights of inmates.

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- Mr. Kelso was not aware

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until it was brought to my attention.

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- Receiver himself was not aware--

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- [Joyce] Not until 2010--

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- Of what was happening under his watch?

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- Correct.

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- [Chair] That\'s your testimony today?

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- Yes, yes.

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- [Chair] Okay.

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- I do believe that the
Receiver\'s office itself

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was in fact aware of that before then.

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And if you go from September 10, 2008

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and move forward to 2010,

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over 50 people were illegally
sterilized during labor

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and delivery in that period.

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- Medical doctors thought that it was okay

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to sterilize women
without their permission?

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- No, um.

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Medical doctors thought it was okay

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to sterilize women having
been given informed consent.

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And so most of--

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- [Committee Member]
Isn\'t that the same as

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without their permission?

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I\'m confused on the--

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- Women were signing consent forms.

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- I\'d love to see a copy of that form

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to see if I could even understand it,

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let alone a woman that\'s under duress.

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This is, this is unbelievable.

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- One should not be
asked in that environment

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to give up a fundamental
right to bear children.

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I\'ve had the displeasure of a dozen times

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going through people\'s medical records

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and learning that they were sterilized

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during unrelated medical
procedures and they didn\'t know it.

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The state has admitted

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that they have done
these illegal surgeries

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but we don\'t actually
know who they did them on.

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- I\'d like to prioritize this audit

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so that the auditor can put
this at the front of the line

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and get to it as quickly as possible.

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(investigative music)

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Okay, I would remind members
of the committee please...

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- It was incredibly affirming

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to hear the legislature call
these abuses outrageous.

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We\'ve been working for
years to get the government

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to take this seriously.

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Finally the state
legislators are standing up

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and doing what needs to be done.

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The Department of Corrections
and the Receivers claim,

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usually there was very
little personal knowledge

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on the part of prison
administrators of this happening.

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- It\'s my understanding that many

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of these did have some kind of
consent at the outside doctor

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because these procedures are performed

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in a community facility,
just so that\'s clear.

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They are not performed at the institution.

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- Doctors statewide
felt for whatever reason

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that it was being sanctioned
by the department.

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- There may be doctors who
aren\'t aware of the policy

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or the federal law issue.

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I can well imagine an outside physician

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in good faith thinking
that this is a matter

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of reproductive autonomy,
not knowing the conversation

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that has been going on about the inability

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to give valid consent in prison.

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- For inmates, to sign
consent is a really big deal.

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- For inmates, to sign
consent is a really big deal.

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Because they are seen
as a ward of the court

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and not really being allowed
to enter into contracts.

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You would think there
would have been a red flag

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when the billing departments
received those bills.

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- When I arrived at the
Receivership in 2008,

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we did not use standard
um medical billing codes.

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And so there really was no easy way for us

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to know what we were paying for.

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- That seems very unbelievable to me.

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- That seems very unbelievable to me.

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To do a medical procedure
there\'s incredible layers

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To do a medical procedure
there\'s incredible layers

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of paperwork that has to happen

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and it has to be vetted
by a medical committee

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at each prison.

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So I would suspect that
many high up officials

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So I would suspect that
many high up officials

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were in fact aware of what was going on

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and potentially part of it.

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- Everything had to go through committee

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- Everything had to go through committee

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and everything had to be documented

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as to why this was necessary.

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- At the point that
Dr. Heinrich was hired,

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- At the point that
Dr. Heinrich was hired,

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sterilization procedures
have been going on for years

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at multiple prisons.

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He strongly believed that there were women

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He strongly believed that there were women

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that were gaming the system,
and that needed to be stopped.

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- He was cognizant of costs
and trying to save the state

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and the prison system money.

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- That attitude tracked precisely
to the historical attitude

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- That attitude tracked precisely
to the historical attitude

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of the California leaders
of the eugenics movement.

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They had always used cost
benefit as the justifier

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for why they were doing
what they were doing,

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and so in that way, Heinrich
was part of a legacy.

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If you just stop and
make him the face of it,

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do you really get at the problem?

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(gentle music)

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(children cheering)

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(children cheering)

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- Thank you.
- Have a good day, see you.

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- Thank you.
- Have a good day, see you.

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- Alright.
- Have a good one.

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- Have a good day, you too.

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(ice cream truck music)

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This my space, for right now.

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This my space, for right now.

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Of course I desire to have my
own home but my mom\'s older,

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and you know I feel good about being able

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to be here with her.

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I wasn\'t able to be here with my dad.

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I lost my dad when I was in prison.

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So for God to give me an opportunity

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to be with my mom in her latter years,

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even though we fight like cats and dogs.

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But at the same time, she tough too.

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So she\'s one of my best opponents.

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My relationship with my
oldest son is very strained.

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My relationship with my
oldest son is very strained.

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He remembers some of the
episodes of domestic violence.

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I had to back up and give my son the space

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that he needs in order to
figure out what happened

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to not only him, but us.

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(Skype ringing)

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How you doin?
- Hi.

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How you doin?
- Hi.

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- [Kelli] What\'s up with it?

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- I\'m alright.

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- [Kelli] You alright?

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But my youngest son doesn\'t
remember the violence

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and the interaction with me as a mother.

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Listen, I supposed to come down there.

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Remember, I\'m trying to get
Anthony to come with me.

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And I think that at times
that he look at the fact

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that me and you, we get
along a little bit better.

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Because you just let shit hap...

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If it happen, it happen.

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Bygones is bygones.

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Okay, we passed that.

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- A lot of the shit that
we, we been through,

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I feel like we cool.

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We gotta get closer together.

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- Right.

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Thank God for this technology of FaceTime.

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Alright then baby, I love you.

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But to me the FaceTime is a glass window

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But to me the FaceTime is a glass window

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like when I was incarcerated.

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Instead of me having all these scars,

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Instead of me having all these scars,

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from the things that happened to me,

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I want things that symbolize my victories.

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And so to me, this with
the three butterflies

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that represent me and my two sons.

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And as soon as I got this tattoo,

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I just start feeling liberated, ya know.

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It\'s me taking the power back on my body,

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and putting things there
that represent who I am

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as opposed to what I\'ve been through.

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- [Hannah-Beth Jackson]
Good morning everybody.

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- [Hannah-Beth Jackson]
Good morning everybody.

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Good morning.

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All right.

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- We made a plan to speak
to different legislatures

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that we thought would be strategic.

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And Senator Jackson was
at the top of that list.

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- Boy, this thing moves slowly doesn\'t it.

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- She showed up to the hearing

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when she isn\'t on that committee.

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That doesn\'t happen (chuckle).

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Legislators that are on committees

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don\'t show up to their hearings.

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Legislators that are on committees

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are twiddling their
thumbs and falling asleep.

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- Great, thanks.

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Okay, bye-bye.

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When I first learned of what was going on,

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When I first learned of what was going on,

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I was absolutely horrified.

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The fact that these women were
being treated like objects

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and as non-human beings.

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How could this be happening?

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We had outlawed sterilization since 1979

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and many of us assumed that
it had ended at that time.

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A blight on our state history,

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but nonetheless had stopped.

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So this bill was to make it very,

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very clear that doctors cannot
perform these procedures

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in prison, period.

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- [Director] Did you know that
tubal ligations were illegal?

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- [Director] Did you know that
tubal ligations were illegal?

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- I did not know that, actually.

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- If I had known that that was illegal,

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I would not have obtained
the consents for it.

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(telephone ringing)

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(telephone ringing)

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- I\'m typing up a survey,

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breaking down each different
component of the bill

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and asking people on the inside
if they agree or disagree.

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And then there\'s room for people

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to write more about what
it is that they feel.

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\"Keep up the great work,\"

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or, \"This is why I disagree
with a particular part\".

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They just have room to
explain that, if they want to.

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- [Electronic Voice] Call from an inmate

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at the Central California
Women\'s Facility.

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- [Mychal] Hey, how are you?

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- [Group] Hello, how are you doing?

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- [Courtney] Justice Now
is the only organization

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that we know of that has people

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who are currently imprisoned on the board.

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- Do you feel like folks are
feeling good about the bill

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or they\'re having some
significant concerns?

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- [Mychal] Well I think for the most part

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we were handing out the questionnaires

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and we were trying to
have town hall meetings

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to make sure that key organizers were able

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to get those questionnaires
into the building.

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And then we were going to meet up

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with those people on the yard

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to get those questionnaires back.

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- [Allison] And how has that been going?

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- [Mychal] We know that
some people are afraid

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of discussing it.

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One, for fear of retaliation.

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- Yeah.

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- [Mychal] And there\'s just
been a lot of pressure they feel

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to be quiet sometimes and
even though they\'ll talk

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to us privately.

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- We\'re going to be bringing
to the legislature actual words

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and experiences from people inside.

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And so that information
that you\'re gathering

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is so crucial.

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- [Group] Yeah, thank you.

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(gentle music)

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- [Woman] I was naive.

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- [Woman] I was naive.

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I really didn\'t know what to do.

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I just went along with the doctor

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\'cause I figured he knew best.

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- [Woman 2] I didn\'t know
that I won\'t have children.

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- [Woman 3] I\'d been told
well you\'re pre-menopausal.

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You\'re past breeding age like I was a cow.

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- [Woman 4] I would\'ve
loved to have a child.

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- [Woman 5] I\'ve seen it
happen in more so Hispanic,

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African American, you don\'t hear too much

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of it happening in a
Caucasian descent at all.

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- [Woman 6] We\'re women in prison.

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Who cares if they mess up
our reproductive system?

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We\'re prisoners.

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We shouldn\'t be able to reproduce anyway.

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- There\'s certain things
that I picked up in prison

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- There\'s certain things
that I picked up in prison

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that I believe were positive habits.

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This is a habit that I got out of prison,

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is after we use the sink we spray it down.

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Which is, most people don\'t do that.

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But you know, when you in prison,

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you develop this germaphobe of...

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You\'ve got eight girls
using the same sink.

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Only got one week left for school.

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Only got one week left for school.

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And it seem like it\'s
been the toughest month,

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And it seem like it\'s
been the toughest month,

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and I\'m only at a undergrad level,

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I can just imagine how
it\'s going to be me trying

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to go after my, masters.

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- [Defense Attorney]
When will you complete

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- [Defense Attorney]
When will you complete

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your associate\'s degree?

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- I think uh--

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- [Kelli\'s Attorney] Objection,
cause for speculation.

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- [Defense Attorney] Yeah, go ahead.

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She\'s objecting for the record.

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Please go ahead and answer the question.

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- Oh, Okay.

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I\'m hoping, is it, can I hope?

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- [Defense Attorney] You certainly can.

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(everyone laughing)

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- Um, I\'m hoping to be completed

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at least a semester coming
out of incarceration.

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I have less than a year left.

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- [Defense Attorney] Is there
a particular area of emphasis?

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- Oh, wait, I\'m so nervous.

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Social Studies.

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- [Defense Attorney] Have
you given any thought

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- [Defense Attorney] Have
you given any thought

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as to what you want to
do with that degree?

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- I really would like to
work with battered women

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- I really would like to
work with battered women

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and troubled young teen girls.

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(upbeat music)

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(upbeat music)

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- Welcome back to The Dialogue.

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We are talking about the
effects of trauma, abuse,

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and domestic violence
on the black community.

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We\'re starting with Miss Kelli Dillon.

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She is a survivor of domestic violence

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and an advocate for
prevention and intervention.

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- Most of the people see victims
as very fragile, docile--

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- [Radio Guest] Helpless.

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- Helpless, um white.

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We are seen as aggressive.

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We are seen as aggressive.

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- When a police officer
approaches a female,

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African-American or Latina,

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they automatically ask them,
\"Are you gang affiliated?\"

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92% of all the women that are in prison,

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are in prison because
of domestic violence.

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- I had already been sexually assaulted,

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I had already been held hostage
in the house for three days.

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When I call the police they said,

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\"You don\'t look like a victim.\"

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So I had lost hope in the people

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that were supposed to be
there to protect and serve me.

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- [Radio Host] Right.

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- And at that point I had had it.

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Either I was gonna get out
by foot or in a body bag.

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I just wanted out.

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- We\'ve gotten over 400
responses on this survey

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- We\'ve gotten over 400
responses on this survey

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so far and there are
more coming in every day.

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And that\'s pretty
significant when you consider

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that there are approximately
3000 people inside CCWF.

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(gentle music)

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\"I did not know that
I had another choice.\"

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\"I was not given follow up care.\"

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\"I was not given follow up care.\"

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It\'s you know just a line of
agree, agree, agree, agree.

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It\'s you know just a line of
agree, agree, agree, agree.

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People came out of the
woodwork through that survey.

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It goes deeper than even we
who\'ve been working on this

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for a decade know.

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- [Chair] If you could go ahead
and present SB1135 please.

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- [Chair] If you could go ahead
and present SB1135 please.

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- My name is Kelly Densmore

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- My name is Kelly Densmore

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and I am reading a statement
from somebody inside.

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At Valley State Prison for
Women my gynecologist tried

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to get me to have a hysterectomy.

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- [Woman] You take a big risk
by speaking out on abuses

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that happen to you behind bars.

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- In prison you worry
about filing a complaint

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against a doctor because the threat

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of retaliation is always there.

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- [Woman 1] But I can\'t sit
as a woman and not speak out.

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- The United Nations
convention on human rights

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talks about the right to family.

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- [Woman 2] I understand
that we\'re where we\'re at,

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but I\'m still a human being.

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- We are not animals.
- They don\'t care about us.

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- There\'s no accountability here.

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- Morally wrong.
- This is not okay.

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- [Woman 2] We need help from the outside.

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- A bill needs to be signed.
- On human rights.

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- Please pass this bill as a
step in the right direction

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towards universal human rights,

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not just human rights for
people outside of prison.

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- I was the attorney who actually

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- I was the attorney who actually

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reviewed Kelli Dillon\'s medical records

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and had the displeasure
of having to communicate

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to her that she had been sterilized

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without her knowledge or consent.

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She was one of 10 women in
the California prison system

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that I\'ve had that same conversation with,

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all of whom were women of color,

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who were darker skinned women of color

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and or transgender people.

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I am incredibly heartfelt

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that this is now being taken seriously

01:00:00.506 --> 01:00:02.091
and I strongly support this bill.

01:00:02.091 --> 01:00:02.966
Thank you.

01:00:02.966 --> 01:00:05.844
- Are there speakers in
opposition to the bill?

01:00:05.844 --> 01:00:07.846
- We represent 55 hundred obstetricians

01:00:07.846 --> 01:00:10.557
and gynecologists here in California.

01:00:10.557 --> 01:00:11.683
We oppose the bill

01:00:11.683 --> 01:00:14.311
because by completely
banning sterilization,

01:00:14.311 --> 01:00:17.314
we\'re taking away a woman\'s
right to consent to a procedure.

01:00:17.314 --> 01:00:19.817
I\'ve had patients with
complex heart conditions.

01:00:19.817 --> 01:00:22.277
If they were undergoing
a cesarean section,

01:00:22.277 --> 01:00:24.655
I would recommend for
a tubal sterilization

01:00:24.655 --> 01:00:29.159
given the risk of any subsequent
pregnancy to their health.

01:00:29.159 --> 01:00:30.702
For every sterilization procedure

01:00:30.702 --> 01:00:33.163
in which I have personally
participated in,

01:00:33.163 --> 01:00:36.542
the patient is asked not once,
not twice but dozens of times

01:00:36.542 --> 01:00:39.253
by multiple providers
whether or not she would like

01:00:39.253 --> 01:00:42.047
to proceed with the sterilization.

01:00:42.047 --> 01:00:43.173
- [Cynthia] We were shocked

01:00:43.173 --> 01:00:45.259
that our opposition came from the

01:00:45.259 --> 01:00:48.595
American College of
Obstetricians and Gynecologists.

01:00:48.595 --> 01:00:49.888
Very few of their members,

01:00:49.888 --> 01:00:52.599
let alone their leadership,
work in prisons.

01:00:52.599 --> 01:00:54.852
- The priority of ACOG is the health

01:00:54.852 --> 01:00:56.854
and well being of our patients.

01:00:56.854 --> 01:00:58.856
And we are hopeful that we
can find a process through

01:00:58.856 --> 01:01:02.693
which these women will have
access to sterilization.

01:01:02.693 --> 01:01:03.735
- Their testimony

01:01:03.735 --> 01:01:06.738
created a tremendous
obstacle for this bill.

01:01:06.738 --> 01:01:09.783
They want people to make
reproductive choices

01:01:09.783 --> 01:01:12.077
but we don\'t know what goes on in prison.

01:01:12.077 --> 01:01:14.705
The prison is a black hole.

01:01:14.705 --> 01:01:16.623
- Inside a prison setting to ask somebody

01:01:16.623 --> 01:01:20.002
to make a decision like that
is not a really good idea.

01:01:20.002 --> 01:01:22.296
People have total control over you.

01:01:22.296 --> 01:01:25.090
If you don\'t follow the
rules or anybody simply says

01:01:25.090 --> 01:01:26.717
that you didn\'t follow the rule,

01:01:26.717 --> 01:01:31.013
you can have time added to the
time you\'re already serving.

01:01:31.013 --> 01:01:32.931
- We needed to make our case

01:01:32.931 --> 01:01:34.766
that indeed these procedures

01:01:34.766 --> 01:01:37.102
were being done without consent.

01:01:38.187 --> 01:01:38.812
- [Cynthia] You know we\'ve
been having a really hard time

01:01:38.812 --> 01:01:41.064
- [Cynthia] You know we\'ve
been having a really hard time

01:01:41.064 --> 01:01:45.360
identifying who the people
were who were sterilized

01:01:45.360 --> 01:01:46.778
while they were giving birth.

01:01:46.778 --> 01:01:48.238
Right?
- Oh!

01:01:48.238 --> 01:01:49.656
- [Cynthia] As opposed to folks like you

01:01:49.656 --> 01:01:51.909
who were sterilized
during other operations.

01:01:51.909 --> 01:01:52.492
- Okay.

01:01:52.492 --> 01:01:53.493
- [Cynthia] And that\'s one of the reasons

01:01:53.493 --> 01:01:56.371
why it would be so key to feature you.

01:01:56.371 --> 01:01:57.206
- Yeah.

01:01:57.206 --> 01:01:58.498
- [Cynthia] I think it\'s
really our best hope

01:01:58.498 --> 01:02:00.626
of stopping the sterilizations.

01:02:00.626 --> 01:02:03.503
And we could practice what
your testimony is gonna be.

01:02:03.503 --> 01:02:05.214
- Do I have to go in front of like a jury

01:02:05.214 --> 01:02:06.089
or something like that?

01:02:06.089 --> 01:02:07.799
Like what do you mean testify?

01:02:07.799 --> 01:02:10.385
- [Cynthia] When a
legislator creates a bill,

01:02:10.385 --> 01:02:13.222
it has to travel in front
of a bunch of committees

01:02:13.222 --> 01:02:16.266
before it goes before
the whole Senate to vote.

01:02:16.266 --> 01:02:17.226
And then...

01:02:17.226 --> 01:02:20.270
- I have a obligation to back Cynthia

01:02:20.270 --> 01:02:21.813
because if it was not for her

01:02:21.813 --> 01:02:24.566
I would not have found out everything

01:02:24.566 --> 01:02:26.526
that had happened to me.

01:02:26.526 --> 01:02:29.238
But, I couldn\'t go through
like another interview,

01:02:29.238 --> 01:02:32.366
testimony, hearing, or anything

01:02:32.366 --> 01:02:34.826
because once I\'m done then I\'m,

01:02:34.826 --> 01:02:37.537
you know I leave and I go
home and everybody go home

01:02:37.537 --> 01:02:40.540
but I\'m left now with
having regurgitated all

01:02:40.540 --> 01:02:42.459
of those emotions and feelings

01:02:42.459 --> 01:02:45.462
and now they\'re here and
they\'re here and here,

01:02:45.462 --> 01:02:48.715
and then no one\'s there
to help me process it.

01:02:48.715 --> 01:02:50.259
(gentle music)

01:02:50.259 --> 01:02:53.679
Yes, I have the power to change lives

01:02:53.679 --> 01:02:55.722
with the awareness what happened to me

01:02:55.722 --> 01:02:58.850
but it\'s still my story and I still own it

01:02:58.850 --> 01:03:02.729
and I still have the say so
of who I want to tell it to

01:03:02.729 --> 01:03:04.273
and why I want to tell it.

01:03:04.273 --> 01:03:06.692
It belongs to me.

01:03:08.652 --> 01:03:09.278
(clock ticking)

01:03:09.278 --> 01:03:11.989
(clock ticking)

01:03:19.121 --> 01:03:19.746
- The bill isn\'t moving forward

01:03:19.746 --> 01:03:22.416
- The bill isn\'t moving forward

01:03:22.416 --> 01:03:25.460
and it\'s just exhausting everyone.

01:03:25.460 --> 01:03:28.463
It\'s not just me, it\'s
the whole organization

01:03:28.463 --> 01:03:31.883
and I think on an organizational
leadership perspective

01:03:31.883 --> 01:03:34.511
it\'s like how long can I
continue not just to push myself

01:03:34.511 --> 01:03:37.139
but how long can I continue
to push everyone else?

01:03:37.139 --> 01:03:40.058
(crickets croaking)

01:03:43.979 --> 01:03:44.771
What ranking are you on that game now?

01:03:44.771 --> 01:03:47.482
What ranking are you on that game now?

01:03:47.482 --> 01:03:48.900
- [Sophie] Aren\'t you like 30?

01:03:48.900 --> 01:03:49.735
- [Lilah] 29.

01:03:49.735 --> 01:03:51.361
- [Cynthia] 29 out of
how many people playing

01:03:51.361 --> 01:03:52.029
that online game?

01:03:52.029 --> 01:03:54.156
- I can check what place my is now,

01:03:54.156 --> 01:03:56.074
because it probably changed.
- Hundreds of thousands.

01:03:56.074 --> 01:03:57.075
- [Cynthia] Hundreds of thousands?

01:03:57.075 --> 01:03:58.785
- At least.

01:03:58.785 --> 01:04:01.663
- [Cynthia] My kids were
telling their friends,

01:04:01.663 --> 01:04:05.042
\"Oh yeah, that\'s my mom, the
champion for everybody else.\"

01:04:05.042 --> 01:04:06.501
\"You\'re always promoting the leadership

01:04:06.501 --> 01:04:08.795
of people inside but my
friends and I are dealing

01:04:08.795 --> 01:04:11.631
with all this crap at school
and you\'re not helping us.\"

01:04:11.631 --> 01:04:14.343
And I was like, \"Oh my
gosh, you\'re right.\"

01:04:14.343 --> 01:04:15.052
I spend all my resources and
basically all my capacities

01:04:15.052 --> 01:04:18.555
I spend all my resources and
basically all my capacities

01:04:18.555 --> 01:04:19.639
in building up other people

01:04:19.639 --> 01:04:22.351
that I was neglecting my children.

01:04:22.851 --> 01:04:23.685
(Cynthia sighing)

01:04:23.685 --> 01:04:25.812
(Cynthia sighing)

01:04:25.812 --> 01:04:28.065
If this goes nowhere and
I\'ve lost all that time

01:04:28.065 --> 01:04:30.067
with my kids, I...

01:04:31.651 --> 01:04:32.277
Yeah, that would just be a shame.

01:04:32.277 --> 01:04:35.072
Yeah, that would just be a shame.

01:04:37.366 --> 01:04:39.826
(rain pattering)

01:04:39.826 --> 01:04:40.660
(rain pattering)

01:04:51.213 --> 01:04:51.838
- [Defense Attorney] What
was your thought process

01:04:51.838 --> 01:04:54.841
- [Defense Attorney] What
was your thought process

01:04:54.841 --> 01:04:56.259
as to whether or not you wanted

01:04:56.259 --> 01:04:58.303
to have more children when you got out?

01:04:58.303 --> 01:04:59.971
- I had a hope and a possibility

01:04:59.971 --> 01:05:04.851
that I might find a man that
would love me and treat me...

01:05:04.851 --> 01:05:05.310
Who would love me.

01:05:05.310 --> 01:05:06.853
Who would love me.

01:05:06.853 --> 01:05:11.233
And that I might be able
to like have a family.

01:05:14.111 --> 01:05:14.736
Or a chance to be a mother.

01:05:14.736 --> 01:05:16.988
Or a chance to be a mother.

01:05:30.836 --> 01:05:31.461
(group softly chattering)

01:05:31.461 --> 01:05:34.256
(group softly chattering)

01:05:34.256 --> 01:05:34.965
Hi.
- Hi.

01:05:34.965 --> 01:05:36.466
- Good to see you.
- Good to see you, too.

01:05:36.466 --> 01:05:37.968
- How you been?
- I\'m good, how are you?

01:05:37.968 --> 01:05:38.593
- Hi.

01:05:38.593 --> 01:05:39.594
- [Kelli] Hi, oh I love your hair today.

01:05:39.594 --> 01:05:40.429
- [Cami] Thank you, I\'m Cami.

01:05:40.429 --> 01:05:43.056
- [Kelli] Hi Cami, nice to meet you.

01:05:43.056 --> 01:05:45.183
We ready today?

01:05:45.183 --> 01:05:46.476
All right.

01:05:47.060 --> 01:05:47.727
It\'s hard to cram in.

01:05:47.727 --> 01:05:49.271
It\'s hard to cram in.

01:05:49.271 --> 01:05:50.605
- I know, and that\'s why
I was like I was so--

01:05:50.605 --> 01:05:54.860
- [Kelli] Something so
tragic, in two, three minutes.

01:05:54.860 --> 01:05:56.445
- [Misty] Right.

01:05:56.445 --> 01:05:59.448
- Like how how how do I sum up...

01:05:59.448 --> 01:06:02.909
I mean, how do we sum
up what happened in two

01:06:02.909 --> 01:06:05.036
or three minutes, you know?

01:06:05.036 --> 01:06:06.913
- Maybe you should start it out like that.

01:06:06.913 --> 01:06:11.001
How do I sum up what they did
to me in two or three minutes?

01:06:11.001 --> 01:06:11.877
- We\'re testifying in front

01:06:11.877 --> 01:06:13.503
of the Assembly Health Committee.

01:06:13.503 --> 01:06:15.380
And if it passes that
committee then it will go

01:06:15.380 --> 01:06:16.923
to the assembly floor.

01:06:16.923 --> 01:06:18.800
And if it passes that
then it will be going

01:06:18.800 --> 01:06:21.511
to the governor\'s desk, after that.

01:06:21.511 --> 01:06:23.305
So we\'re keeping our fingers crossed

01:06:23.305 --> 01:06:25.056
that he will see how important this is

01:06:25.056 --> 01:06:26.766
and sign the bill into law.

01:06:30.061 --> 01:06:30.687
- Now it\'s more so about
making it okay to say,

01:06:30.687 --> 01:06:34.524
- Now it\'s more so about
making it okay to say,

01:06:34.524 --> 01:06:36.902
\"Kelli, that did happen.\"

01:06:36.902 --> 01:06:39.362
Acknowledging that it\'s a part of me.

01:06:39.362 --> 01:06:40.655
- And then moving forward with that.

01:06:40.655 --> 01:06:42.032
- And then moving forward with it.

01:06:42.032 --> 01:06:42.657
- Yeah.

01:06:42.657 --> 01:06:46.495
- It was one thing to
fight about what happened,

01:06:46.495 --> 01:06:49.206
but then it\'s another thing
to settle with the fact that,

01:06:49.206 --> 01:06:53.543
this is what happened, and
this is now who you are

01:06:53.543 --> 01:06:56.254
for the rest of your life, period.

01:06:56.796 --> 01:06:57.422
Every time I\'ve dated and I\'m happy,

01:06:57.422 --> 01:07:01.051
Every time I\'ve dated and I\'m happy,

01:07:01.051 --> 01:07:04.346
I\'m ecstatic about the
relationship, I\'m falling in love,

01:07:04.346 --> 01:07:07.516
and then all of a sudden
it comes crashing down

01:07:07.516 --> 01:07:11.144
when they say, \"I would love
to have a kid with you.\"

01:07:11.144 --> 01:07:12.562
- Hmm.

01:07:12.562 --> 01:07:14.272
- And when they say that,

01:07:14.272 --> 01:07:19.528
then I really feel
unworthy, I feel unwhole.

01:07:19.945 --> 01:07:20.570
You know I feel ashamed.

01:07:20.570 --> 01:07:23.949
You know I feel ashamed.

01:07:24.616 --> 01:07:25.242
And so there\'s a part of me that\'s tired

01:07:25.242 --> 01:07:26.868
And so there\'s a part of me that\'s tired

01:07:26.868 --> 01:07:28.828
of feeling that way too.

01:07:28.828 --> 01:07:31.414
(tense music)

01:07:54.145 --> 01:07:54.729
- I have with me here today Kelli Dillon.

01:07:54.729 --> 01:07:57.566
- I have with me here today Kelli Dillon.

01:07:57.566 --> 01:08:00.026
She is a domestic violence counselor,

01:08:00.026 --> 01:08:04.281
a gang interventionist,
she has dedicated her life

01:08:04.281 --> 01:08:07.117
to ending violence against
women in her community,

01:08:07.117 --> 01:08:10.870
and also experienced sterilization abuse

01:08:10.870 --> 01:08:13.623
while imprisoned here in California

01:08:13.623 --> 01:08:17.002
and is here today to share her story.

01:08:17.002 --> 01:08:19.462
- I am a survivor of non-consensual,

01:08:19.462 --> 01:08:22.299
unlawful sterilization
that was performed on me

01:08:22.299 --> 01:08:25.760
at the age of 24 in 2001
while I was an inmate in

01:08:25.760 --> 01:08:28.763
Central California Women\'s Facility.

01:08:28.763 --> 01:08:32.183
I\'m here to testify that
what this bill represents

01:08:32.183 --> 01:08:34.311
is real for the women
that are incarcerated

01:08:34.311 --> 01:08:37.063
and this thing has happened to.

01:08:37.063 --> 01:08:39.774
I wanted a second chance at life

01:08:39.774 --> 01:08:43.361
and I wanted a second
chance at being a mother.

01:08:43.570 --> 01:08:44.195
I trusted...

01:08:44.195 --> 01:08:45.780
I trusted...

01:08:46.281 --> 01:08:46.906
(Kelli sobbing)

01:08:46.906 --> 01:08:49.784
(Kelli sobbing)

01:08:49.784 --> 01:08:54.205
I trusted the surgeon to respect

01:08:54.205 --> 01:08:57.542
and to acknowledge that
I still had a future

01:08:57.542 --> 01:08:59.377
and that I wanted one.

01:08:59.878 --> 01:09:01.171
I feel like I have been
robbed of the fullness

01:09:01.171 --> 01:09:03.757
I feel like I have been
robbed of the fullness

01:09:03.757 --> 01:09:05.342
that could have been given to me

01:09:05.342 --> 01:09:07.344
had this not happened to me.

01:09:07.344 --> 01:09:10.221
Did this happen to me because
I was African-American?

01:09:10.221 --> 01:09:12.515
Did it happen to me because I was a woman?

01:09:12.515 --> 01:09:14.351
Did it happen to me
because I was a inmate?

01:09:14.351 --> 01:09:18.271
Or did it happen to me
because I was all three?

01:09:18.813 --> 01:09:19.481
As I\'m sitting here listening to myself,

01:09:19.481 --> 01:09:22.359
As I\'m sitting here listening to myself,

01:09:22.359 --> 01:09:26.237
I\'m saying to myself like,
damn, this a sad ass story.

01:09:26.237 --> 01:09:29.282
Where the fuck is my happy ending?

01:09:29.282 --> 01:09:33.078
I deserve a fresh new start.

01:09:33.078 --> 01:09:34.829
I\'m ready to fall in love.

01:09:34.829 --> 01:09:37.123
I\'m ready to be loved.

01:09:37.123 --> 01:09:39.250
I\'m ready to have a home.

01:09:39.250 --> 01:09:41.961
I\'m ready to see the world.

01:09:41.961 --> 01:09:44.714
I\'m a good person that a lot

01:09:44.714 --> 01:09:47.967
of fucked up shit has happened to.

01:09:47.967 --> 01:09:49.552
I\'m ready.

01:09:49.552 --> 01:09:53.139
I am so, so ready.

01:09:53.139 --> 01:09:54.724
I just want to finish up by saying

01:09:54.724 --> 01:09:57.268
that this bill will help
to protect other women

01:09:57.268 --> 01:10:00.563
who have the opportunity
to be rehabilitated

01:10:00.563 --> 01:10:03.400
and to actually restore
the quality of their life

01:10:03.400 --> 01:10:05.694
and the gift that life has to offer,

01:10:05.694 --> 01:10:09.155
which is motherhood and having children.

01:10:09.155 --> 01:10:12.867
As a survivor of non-consensual
unlawful sterilization,

01:10:12.867 --> 01:10:15.870
I\'m asking you to approve this bill.

01:10:16.037 --> 01:10:16.746
- Katherine Williams with the
ACLU of California in support.

01:10:16.746 --> 01:10:20.709
- Katherine Williams with the
ACLU of California in support.

01:10:20.709 --> 01:10:22.293
- Emma Hartung of Legal Services

01:10:22.293 --> 01:10:25.130
for Prisoners with
Children in strong support.

01:10:25.130 --> 01:10:26.715
- Rebecca Gonzalez, National Association

01:10:26.715 --> 01:10:29.843
of Social Workers California
chapter in support.

01:10:29.843 --> 01:10:31.761
- They all said aye.
- Yes so.

01:10:31.761 --> 01:10:32.929
- [Woman] Yay.

01:10:38.643 --> 01:10:39.310
Oh we\'re not all in, we\'re not all in.

01:10:39.310 --> 01:10:41.604
Oh we\'re not all in, we\'re not all in.

01:10:41.604 --> 01:10:42.480
- We\'re a team.

01:10:42.480 --> 01:10:45.191
This was an amazing team today.

01:10:45.191 --> 01:10:47.777
(gentle music)

01:10:51.322 --> 01:10:51.906
- [Reporter] Governor Jerry
Brown has signed a bill

01:10:51.906 --> 01:10:54.159
- [Reporter] Governor Jerry
Brown has signed a bill

01:10:54.159 --> 01:10:58.037
bringing an end to forced
prison sterilization.

01:11:01.750 --> 01:11:02.584
- The bill passed with bipartisan support.

01:11:02.584 --> 01:11:05.587
- The bill passed with bipartisan support.

01:11:05.587 --> 01:11:07.589
It\'s criminal behavior now to do this

01:11:07.589 --> 01:11:11.217
and we\'ve let the correction
system know they\'re on record.

01:11:11.217 --> 01:11:13.178
- [Cynthia] They cannot
sterilize people in prison

01:11:13.178 --> 01:11:16.473
for the purpose of birth
control ever again.

01:11:16.473 --> 01:11:18.391
- This bill will set a standard

01:11:18.391 --> 01:11:21.936
for the other prisons
throughout the United States.

01:11:21.936 --> 01:11:24.105
Because this is not just
happening here in the state

01:11:24.105 --> 01:11:26.649
of California, it\'s
actually happening all over.

01:11:26.649 --> 01:11:28.193
- I\'ve thought from the very beginning

01:11:28.193 --> 01:11:30.779
that this bill should have been called the

01:11:30.779 --> 01:11:34.949
Kelli Dillon Anti-coercive
Sterilization Bill, you know.

01:11:34.949 --> 01:11:40.121
I think but for her inspiration
and her courage early,

01:11:40.121 --> 01:11:43.208
early on, Justice Now wouldn\'t
have even been investigating

01:11:43.208 --> 01:11:44.000
this stuff.

01:11:44.000 --> 01:11:46.211
We never would have found
out about the abuses,

01:11:46.211 --> 01:11:48.129
let alone would there have been a bill.

01:11:48.129 --> 01:11:49.672
- This is just the beginning.

01:11:49.672 --> 01:11:51.925
This is just the beginning.

01:11:52.217 --> 01:11:52.842
(party goers chattering)

01:11:52.842 --> 01:11:55.011
(party goers chattering)

01:11:55.011 --> 01:11:56.262
- Shoes!

01:11:56.262 --> 01:11:58.681
Look at the fucking shoes!

01:11:58.681 --> 01:11:59.390
Everybody look at our founder\'s shoes.

01:11:59.390 --> 01:12:02.143
Everybody look at our founder\'s shoes.

01:12:02.393 --> 01:12:02.936
Oh my god.

01:12:02.936 --> 01:12:03.686
Oh my god.

01:12:03.686 --> 01:12:04.687
Aren\'t they fun?

01:12:04.687 --> 01:12:05.563
They are really fun.

01:12:05.563 --> 01:12:07.106
- When people say, \"Oh,

01:12:07.106 --> 01:12:08.691
we can\'t change the prison system.\"

01:12:08.691 --> 01:12:09.859
Yes we can.

01:12:09.859 --> 01:12:12.278
Because we are, we are change.

01:12:12.278 --> 01:12:13.738
We are proof that it can happen.

01:12:13.738 --> 01:12:14.864
(crowd cheering)

01:12:14.864 --> 01:12:18.576
Our mission of Justice Now is
to have formerly incarcerated

01:12:18.576 --> 01:12:21.412
and women that are on
the board have the chance

01:12:21.412 --> 01:12:22.956
to come into Justice Now

01:12:22.956 --> 01:12:25.875
and transition into
bigger leadership roles

01:12:25.875 --> 01:12:27.126
and run Justice Now.

01:12:27.335 --> 01:12:28.002
♪ Make up your mind, what
you\'re searching for ♪

01:12:28.002 --> 01:12:30.421
♪ Make up your mind, what
you\'re searching for ♪

01:12:30.421 --> 01:12:35.051
♪ Is it money, is it
something like freedom ♪

01:12:35.051 --> 01:12:35.468
♪ Nothing against myself ♪

01:12:35.468 --> 01:12:38.888
♪ Nothing against myself ♪

01:12:38.888 --> 01:12:42.725
♪ But I can really see myself ♪

01:12:42.725 --> 01:12:46.479
♪ Come around, come around,
come around, now I\'m holdin it ♪

01:12:46.479 --> 01:12:49.399
- I was just talking to my son right,

01:12:49.399 --> 01:12:51.568
and I was telling him
about the graduation.

01:12:51.568 --> 01:12:53.570
Because I never got the chance to--

01:12:53.570 --> 01:12:54.863
- Do this.
- Do those things.

01:12:54.863 --> 01:12:56.865
The first time I didn\'t
get the chance to graduate

01:12:56.865 --> 01:12:59.701
because of me being a teenage mom.

01:12:59.701 --> 01:13:01.327
Then I didn\'t get a chance to graduate

01:13:01.327 --> 01:13:03.037
from medical assistant school

01:13:03.037 --> 01:13:05.331
because of the domestic
violence and abuse.

01:13:05.331 --> 01:13:07.166
And me coming home from prison,

01:13:07.166 --> 01:13:09.043
like this means everything to me.

01:13:09.043 --> 01:13:11.170
(graduates cheering)

01:13:11.170 --> 01:13:13.756
(upbeat music)

01:13:23.975 --> 01:13:24.601
- [Announcer] Kelli Dillon.

01:13:24.601 --> 01:13:26.102
- [Announcer] Kelli Dillon.

01:13:26.102 --> 01:13:27.228
(family cheering)

01:13:27.228 --> 01:13:29.230
♪ Make up your mind, what
you\'re searching for ♪

01:13:29.230 --> 01:13:34.193
♪ Stake a claim, is it vain,
do ya see your name in lights ♪

01:13:34.193 --> 01:13:37.196
♪ Make up your mind, what
you\'re searching for ♪

01:13:37.196 --> 01:13:42.076
♪ Is it money, is it
something like freedom ♪

01:14:03.514 --> 01:14:04.140
- [Cynthia] The bill is the culmination

01:14:04.140 --> 01:14:06.517
- [Cynthia] The bill is the culmination

01:14:06.517 --> 01:14:08.645
of my work at Justice Now.

01:14:09.896 --> 01:14:10.521
But there\'s still so much
that needs to be done.

01:14:10.521 --> 01:14:14.525
But there\'s still so much
that needs to be done.

01:14:16.486 --> 01:14:17.111
I\'m frustrated this isn\'t a
bigger national conversation.

01:14:17.111 --> 01:14:21.866
I\'m frustrated this isn\'t a
bigger national conversation.

01:14:23.910 --> 01:14:24.535
We can\'t afford to forget.

01:14:24.535 --> 01:14:27.121
We can\'t afford to forget.

01:14:27.121 --> 01:14:29.666
(gentle music)

01:14:34.712 --> 01:14:35.380
- [Woman 1] The bill was so needed

01:14:35.380 --> 01:14:37.006
- [Woman 1] The bill was so needed

01:14:37.006 --> 01:14:39.717
because Department of
Corrections had been spitting

01:14:39.717 --> 01:14:43.972
on woman\'s sterilization
problem for years.

01:14:43.972 --> 01:14:46.265
- [Woman 2] But now that
there\'s been a small victory,

01:14:46.265 --> 01:14:48.393
they\'re blocking advocates

01:14:48.393 --> 01:14:51.020
or anyone who\'s coming in from the outside

01:14:51.020 --> 01:14:56.025
from being able to come in
freely to interview inmates.

01:14:56.025 --> 01:14:56.401
- [Woman 3] There are women today

01:14:56.401 --> 01:14:57.527
- [Woman 3] There are women today

01:14:57.527 --> 01:15:02.699
that need reproductive care
but absolutely cannot get it,

01:15:02.699 --> 01:15:04.909
because of the retaliation.

01:15:05.868 --> 01:15:06.536
- [Woman 4] The doctor told me,

01:15:06.536 --> 01:15:07.620
- [Woman 4] The doctor told me,

01:15:07.620 --> 01:15:11.874
thanks to your fellow inmates,
I\'m not doing nothing.

01:15:12.041 --> 01:15:12.583
- [WOMAN 5] When they say that CDC

01:15:12.583 --> 01:15:13.835
- [WOMAN 5] When they say that CDC

01:15:13.835 --> 01:15:17.005
is the belly of the beast, it\'s literal.

01:15:20.925 --> 01:15:21.592
- We have yet to get an apology.

01:15:21.592 --> 01:15:24.470
- We have yet to get an apology.

01:15:24.470 --> 01:15:27.015
We have yet to be acknowledged.

01:15:28.266 --> 01:15:29.058
We have to crack this thing wide open.

01:15:29.058 --> 01:15:32.311
We have to crack this thing wide open.

01:15:32.311 --> 01:15:35.732
CDC has to be made accountable.

01:15:37.817 --> 01:15:38.192
- [Director] Part of this bill was

01:15:38.192 --> 01:15:39.318
- [Director] Part of this bill was

01:15:39.318 --> 01:15:43.156
to really highlight the
illegality of these procedures.

01:15:43.156 --> 01:15:47.326
- So yes and to me that\'s a good thing.

01:15:47.326 --> 01:15:47.952
As to whether I think
it\'s, should be illegal...

01:15:47.952 --> 01:15:52.582
As to whether I think
it\'s, should be illegal...

01:15:55.168 --> 01:15:56.044
Not necessarily.

01:15:56.044 --> 01:15:57.879
Not necessarily.

01:15:58.129 --> 01:15:58.755
Even if it\'s not medically necessary,

01:15:58.755 --> 01:16:02.341
Even if it\'s not medically necessary,

01:16:03.051 --> 01:16:03.676
it could or would in the long
run save the state funds,

01:16:03.676 --> 01:16:09.766
it could or would in the long
run save the state funds,

01:16:09.766 --> 01:16:11.976
like doctor was saying.

01:16:12.852 --> 01:16:13.811
So, you know, was he
wrong in that estimation?

01:16:13.811 --> 01:16:18.775
So, you know, was he
wrong in that estimation?

01:16:18.775 --> 01:16:19.817
Probably not.

01:16:21.652 --> 01:16:21.694
Because as I said, the
ideal time to do a tubal

01:16:21.694 --> 01:16:28.076
Because as I said, the
ideal time to do a tubal

01:16:28.576 --> 01:16:29.368
is when they\'re already in there.

01:16:29.368 --> 01:16:31.954
is when they\'re already in there.

01:16:33.790 --> 01:16:34.540
It just takes a couple more
minutes and a couple more snips.

01:16:34.540 --> 01:16:38.669
It just takes a couple more
minutes and a couple more snips.

01:16:39.295 --> 01:16:41.130
[mysterious music]

01:16:41.130 --> 01:16:42.840
[mysterious music]

01:17:24.298 --> 01:17:24.966
- Good morning Mr. Chair and Members,

01:17:24.966 --> 01:17:26.425
- Good morning Mr. Chair and Members,

01:17:26.425 --> 01:17:30.596
I am here to proudly
present Assembly Bill 1764,

01:17:30.596 --> 01:17:32.723
which will provide redress to people

01:17:32.723 --> 01:17:35.017
who were involuntarily sterilized

01:17:35.017 --> 01:17:37.854
under California\'s previous eugenics laws,

01:17:37.854 --> 01:17:40.189
and female inmates of
California state prisons

01:17:40.189 --> 01:17:43.276
who were sterilized without
proper authorization.

01:17:43.276 --> 01:17:45.319
This bill provides
material acknowledgement

01:17:45.319 --> 01:17:47.697
of this injustice by creating the

01:17:47.697 --> 01:17:50.158
Forced Sterilization Compensation Program.

01:17:50.158 --> 01:17:52.743
(uplifting music)

01:18:01.335 --> 01:18:01.878
- Like I always talked about
where\'s the happy ending?

01:18:01.878 --> 01:18:04.463
- Like I always talked about
where\'s the happy ending?

01:18:04.463 --> 01:18:07.175
Like no, I\'m not, this
is, I\'m unsatisfied.

01:18:07.175 --> 01:18:08.342
There gotta be a happy ending.

01:18:08.342 --> 01:18:11.345
I watch too much, I
live in LA in Hollywood,

01:18:11.345 --> 01:18:13.055
there has to be a fucking happy ending.

01:18:13.055 --> 01:18:15.516
Like, it has to be a
happy ending somewhere.

01:18:15.516 --> 01:18:15.600
♪ What\'s going on ♪

01:18:15.641 --> 01:18:18.019
♪ What\'s going on ♪

01:18:18.019 --> 01:18:19.896
♪ When I\'ve gotta fight for a right ♪

01:18:19.896 --> 01:18:21.189
♪ That is rightfully mine ♪

01:18:21.189 --> 01:18:24.233
♪ What\'s going on ♪

01:18:24.233 --> 01:18:25.651
♪ When the world can decide ♪

01:18:25.651 --> 01:18:27.069
♪ If a caged bird flies ♪

01:18:27.069 --> 01:18:29.739
♪ Or ever gets a chance to grow ♪

01:18:29.739 --> 01:18:32.783
♪ Too many people are invisible ♪

01:18:32.783 --> 01:18:35.661
♪ It\'s a problem how can
we ignore what\'s going on ♪

01:18:35.661 --> 01:18:37.205
♪ I got questions, I need answers ♪

01:18:37.205 --> 01:18:38.539
♪ It\'s been too long ♪

01:18:38.539 --> 01:18:42.752
♪ Why-I, I cry I-I, oh, why ♪

01:18:42.752 --> 01:18:45.755
♪ Do these tears keep running dry ♪

01:18:45.755 --> 01:18:49.926
♪ But I just keep fighting ♪

01:18:49.926 --> 01:18:52.511
♪ \'Cause it ain\'t over ♪

01:18:52.511 --> 01:18:55.389
♪ Till it\'s over ♪

01:18:55.389 --> 01:18:58.392
♪ It ain\'t over till it\'s done ♪

01:18:58.392 --> 01:19:01.354
♪ Till these shackles are broken ♪

01:19:01.354 --> 01:19:04.649
♪ It ain\'t over ♪

01:19:04.649 --> 01:19:06.108
♪ \'Cause some wounds never heal ♪

01:19:06.108 --> 01:19:10.279
♪ Do you see what you
done, see what you done ♪

01:19:10.279 --> 01:19:11.864
♪ \'Cause some wounds never heal ♪

01:19:11.864 --> 01:19:15.993
♪ Do you see what you
done, see what you done ♪

01:19:15.993 --> 01:19:17.578
♪ \'Cause some wounds never heal ♪

01:19:17.578 --> 01:19:19.247
♪ Do you see what you done ♪

01:19:19.247 --> 01:19:21.415
♪ What\'s going on ♪

01:19:21.415 --> 01:19:23.709
♪ We got strength, but no power ♪

01:19:23.709 --> 01:19:26.879
♪ All we\'ve ever wanted was what\'s ours ♪

01:19:26.879 --> 01:19:29.131
♪ Then one day we wake up ♪

01:19:29.131 --> 01:19:32.426
♪ And everything has changed ♪

01:19:32.426 --> 01:19:34.720
♪ Who can I blame ♪

01:19:34.720 --> 01:19:37.890
♪ Who\'s gonna carry the shame ♪

01:19:37.890 --> 01:19:42.144
♪ After all this pain,
I\'ll never be the same ♪

01:19:42.144 --> 01:19:46.565
♪ Why-I, I cry I-I, oh, why ♪

01:19:46.565 --> 01:19:49.443
♪ But while I still got time, time ♪

01:19:49.443 --> 01:19:53.489
♪ I\'ll just keep on fighting ♪

01:19:53.489 --> 01:19:56.284
♪ \'Cause it ain\'t over, no it ain\'t over ♪

01:19:56.284 --> 01:19:59.161
♪ Till it\'s over, till it\'s over ♪

01:19:59.161 --> 01:20:02.039
♪ It it\'s over, till it\'s done ♪

01:20:02.039 --> 01:20:04.750
♪ Till these shackles are broken ♪

01:20:04.750 --> 01:20:08.296
♪ It ain\'t over ♪

01:20:08.296 --> 01:20:09.755
♪ \'Cause some wounds never heal ♪

01:20:09.755 --> 01:20:13.843
♪ Do you see what you
done, see what you done ♪

01:20:13.843 --> 01:20:15.428
♪ \'Cause some wounds never heal ♪

01:20:15.428 --> 01:20:19.724
♪ Can you see what you
done, see what you done ♪

01:20:19.724 --> 01:20:21.225
♪ \'Cause some wounds never heal ♪

01:20:21.225 --> 01:20:22.852
♪ Do you see what you done ♪

01:20:22.852 --> 01:20:25.855
♪ Now we won\'t lay down, we\'re survivors ♪

01:20:25.855 --> 01:20:28.733
♪ All my scars are my reminders ♪

01:20:28.733 --> 01:20:31.610
♪ We won\'t lay down, we\'re survivors ♪

01:20:31.610 --> 01:20:34.196
♪ All my scars are my reminders ♪

01:20:34.196 --> 01:20:37.491
♪ \'Cause it ain\'t over ♪

01:21:12.610 --> 01:21:15.529
(logo music)