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If I should leave.

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To remember all the

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long day.

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And just got

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Tonight, the cup of peril is full in Vietnam.

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Tonight, as so many nights before.

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Young Americans struggle and young Americans
die in a distant land.

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Tonight, as so many nights before, the American
nation is asked to sacrifice the blood of its

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children and the fruits of its labor for the
love of its freedom.

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And just as our country's

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independence rests in large measure.

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On confidence in America's word and in
America's protection.

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We would undermine the independence of another or
abandon much of Asia to the domination of

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communism.

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And we do not intend to abandon Asia to
conquest.

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The ancient Israelites used to believe that
in the stream of blood in a person's body,

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the spirit reigned, a pretty accurate depiction
of the reality.

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Yeah, and in biblical lore too, blood is
the sign of the covenant.

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Between God and, not too many years ago,
Vietnam was peaceful,

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if troubled and full of anger.

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And I certainly didn't like the idea of.

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An old general sitting behind the lines.

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Serving me up on a platter in Vietnam.

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And if.

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The Vietnamese were being killed, you could do
a commensurate.

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You would do something strong, something risky.

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The world was getting worse and young draft
resisters had actually started to burn their

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draft cards, which meant they were sent to Allenwood
for two years.

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They really led the way, those 18-year-olds, 17-
year-olds who went to prison.

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And we said, well, let's do something to
these draft records.

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And that's how we

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emerged with the idea of putting blood on those
records, first of all to show what they are,

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they are blood. Blood is real, that's not paper.

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All of us active in the interfaith peace
mission walked in to the door

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of the main Selective Service headquarters in
Baltimore with little

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containers of blood in our pockets.

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And we had looked at the place before
because we wanted to be sure, you know, that

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there would be no, if there were armed guards,
we just wanted to be

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clear about what we were doing, and then what we
would do, it would be nonviolent, uh

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uh,
witness

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This covenant, this agreement between God and
us is sealed in Christ's blood.

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This is the blood of the covenant, as he said
before he went to his execution.

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Uh, but anyway, this was all misunderstood.

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And you are using blood, and it was
denounced and, uh, misinterpreted and

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ridiculed.
So since we're so strongly opposed to the war,

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we started
thinking about other symbols.

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And then we published an ad against the war.
I think it's the biggest ad published against

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the war in the whole time.

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Two pages, yes, a two-page spread in the Baltimore
Sun.

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We knew that Johnson read that paper,
that's one of the three or four papers he read,

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so we joked about it, you know, our little
vision of

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Johnson taking a crap the next morning and
opening the Baltimore Sun and seeing a

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two-page spread with a promise that more was to
come.

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And we will stay until aggression has stopped.

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Well, this is the story of the infamous
incident at Catonsville,

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Maryland, in May of '68.

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My brother's involvement, of course, went back
to '67 because he and three others had

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already poured their blood on draft files in
the inner city of Baltimore.

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Um, and they were out.

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Awaiting sentencing, and Philip came up to
Cornell and

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stayed overnight. I guess we stayed up most of
the night talking.

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And he said, uh, some of us are going to do it
again.

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And you're invited.
Whereupon I began to quake in my boots.

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It had really never occurred to me that I would
take part in something that

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serious, as far as consequences went.

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But the idea of putting myself into the

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furnace of the king,

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uh, or being thrown there,

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was pretty shocking and new.

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So I told Philip, give me a few days to think
this over and pray over

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it, and I'll let you know.

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So I did, I went through some very serious soul
searching and, um,

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talk to my family.

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And, um, couldn't see, I, I will put it
negatively, I couldn't see any reason not to do.

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It.
I didn't want to do it, but I couldn't not do it.

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By the time the Kingsville 9 action happened,
they had switched from blood to fire.

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The enemy is no longer closer to victory.

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Time is no longer on his side.

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There is no cause to doubt the American
commitment.

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And decency and unity and love. Amen.

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And reunite, identify what they're in.

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Unite by taking our matches.

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Approaching the fire.

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The idea of going into a selective service
office, taking out files and then

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taking them outside where there would be no
danger to the building or to any people, and

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burning them with napalm—that would be homemade
napalm, according to the handbook that

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the Green Berets had.

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And it says it was just gasoline and soap
suds.

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Not soap suds, but

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Ivory flakes, the soap powder, and you
stir it into the gas.

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You're supposed to actually heat the gas, and
we figured the heck with that.

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But they just stirred it into the gas until it
jelled a little bit.

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Which was our napalm.

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The idea of it though, how it sticks, sticks
to people,

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you know, and you can't pat out the fire; it's
just going to stick to you and continue to burn

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you is, to me, just overwhelming to think
about that and using that.

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Bureaucracy is fantastic.

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We walked in and nobody would look at us.

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Tom came up and started reading.

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We are a group of clergymen and laymen
concerned about the war.

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And nobody would look up.

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Based on the situation now, we can't participate.

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I was sitting at my desk doing my work, and
these two ladies were

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in the office with me.

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I noticed a gentleman came up in the hall
outside there, and I said,

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Yes, sir, may I help you?

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And so then, right on top of him, came
another man.

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And then
he started to come in; he looked right,

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he looked, looked in here, and then he looked
over there,

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and he said, uh,

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Uh, they walked into the office, and I said,
Well, what can I do for you?

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And with that, then all the rest of them came
all of a sudden,

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quickly.
And, uh, the one man with the trash burner,

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he went around to my files and stood there and
started dumping files into this trash burner,

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and this one I tried to prevent it, and this
one man,

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uh, attempted to stop me from doing it and, uh,
he did,

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he did succeed.

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I, I felt that.

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That we were doing the right thing by being
there because.

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I was sold on the idea that we were trying to
fight communism in that part of the of the

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world and that China and the other countries
might be involved and that I thought

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I figured that we were a free country and and
and and had all the uh all

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the benefits of being in a free country and I.

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was all for helping out any country that could
fight communism,

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so I never even thought about being in the
draft board except for helping my country

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and the boys that were going over and actually
fighting for that war.

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I was trying to help them.

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Particularly ones that had gone for long years
before and had to have some relief by

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sending them new recruits, that's what happened
when you drafted new people you were able to

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send them the people that were already over
there finding some help.

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Poor old Mrs.
Murphy, they grabbed her.

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I think there was a tussle and there was a
throwing like she was defending her turf and in

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order to get to the records they had to get her
out of the way.

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Um, I mean that's an assault.

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That's not the way you, it's not the way, uh,
we're supposed to react to each other as

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citizens.
We'll take you to the station.

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You had to draft people in order to

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replenish our forces in Vietnam where we had
half a million troops.

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So when you started messing with selective
Service, you were messing with the core of the

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whole war effort.

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We're all part of this.

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a symbolic message ring home to the American
people that.

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American people throughout the world and
especially Vietnam are suffering from napalm.

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These files are also.

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Napalm He lives in the Saint Peter. Amen.

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We think also of those negotiating in Paris and
we ask through this action that they take their

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work seriously, especially the Americans, and
understand that Americans are able to undergo

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some risk in the name of justice.

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In the name of the dead.

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It was like just trying to put a log in the
path of the government,

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you know, to try to stop it, to stop and
reconsider what's going on here,

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you know.
And, you know, it's like a minuscule

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little log that you're getting into,
but, uh.

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What I wanted to do, anyway, I said, it was like
it was similar to children on a bus coming

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down the hill on the bus, and it was a runaway
bus, and then what you really had to do was like

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uh.
Something was gonna, you had to smash into it,

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into this other vehicle that was
gonna smash into the children in order to stop

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it so that you would prevent the kids from
getting injured or hurt.

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And I still think that Catonsville was.

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That was, uh.

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Just a little attempt at trying to stop
the war.

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3210.

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We have commit, we have, we have lift off, lift
off at 7:51.

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Thy kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as
it is in heaven.

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Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us
our trespasses as we forgive those who trespass

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against us, and lead us not into temptation,
but deliver us from evil.

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Amen.
You might say almost the residue of Pope John

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the 23rd's ideas are spread throughout the
Catholic,

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you know, American Catholic world, and
these guys all kind of came up.

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To meet the brigands, so it's kind of
interesting that he kind of called them out.

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What does that mean?
What does Pope, Pope John the 23rd was the guy

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who, um, the first thing he did when he went to
the Vatican was open up the curtains and say,

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let's let some light
into this church. He, more than any pope,

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since or before, called for the resuscitation of the social gospel, that the
church has to be about fighting poverty and

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fighting oppression and fighting war.
 

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So I, I think that, um, I mean you can ask them
themselves, but I think all these folks are

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definitely children of John the 23rd
spiritually, and that's one kind of liberation

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theology.
Uh, which Pope John Paul has really quashed

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came to the fore, you know, the whole idea that
the gospel has to be a living thing,

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even revolutionary.

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Well, this was a former priest and former nun,
and they had met in Guatemala and fallen in

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love, married, and came back. Their whole
focus, as far as the child was concerned and the

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action, was to shed light upon the
betrayal of Guatemala by the US government.

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She's up there in the mountains, and what am I
gonna do?

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Stand around and baptize and say mass? You
know I can't do that, so she got me more

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involved in Guatemala, and I got her involved in
Catonsville.

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It's kind of the reverse of it, you know, she
said.

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Well, the only way we can maintain our
relationship is that

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that we go through it together.

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I was still full of the possibilities of a real
revolution taking place and a change

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where there would be greater justice, and
then I just started thinking,

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how does anyone dare go against the power of
the United States?

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The United States isn't with you, even though
your cause is just.

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Uh, forget it.
Not only are we killing people,

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mm, violent, physical war.

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But we are also killing them through the
extension of our economic-political empire.

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Let us also pray for all those people that are
dying from hunger and starvation throughout the

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world, so that Americans can have a higher
standard of living.

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When people started calling me a communist,
then I said, now I understand you're a communist

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when you're looking for social justice. You're a
communist when you're looking for the rights of

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the underdog. Uh, that's the way they use the
label, and so that for me became a

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huge change, and I began to see US foreign
policy in a whole different light.

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Now we're looking straight down over Australia
now.

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All right.
Part of the world.

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With him, fantastic.

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That each one of us, I think that each one of
the, each one,

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carries his own impression of what, of what he's
seen today.

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I know my own impression and.

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But we were frankly worried about the state of
euphoria that was beginning to set in on the

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public mind about how easy this particular
thing was.

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You'll light a match at the pad.

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The bird goes up.

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Everything's great.
Guys come back down again.

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You've got some heroes.
I remember our one friend who gave us a flag.

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And he, you remember him, Rita, and he, I thought
he had three little children and

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he was a helicopter pilot and he was very, he
was a recruiter too,

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but then they called him back to active service
as a helicopter pilot and he died. He was killed

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in the war and things like that happened all
during our time of service and we were strictly

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for the men who served and for our country.

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So we, whether or not the government was right
or wrong,

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I'm not, I'm not in a position to know.

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I had to take it, take what was told to me at
that time and what I understood.

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At that time, so I don't know whether it was
right or wrong or why or who or what.

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We just try to help, we just try to help
out.

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To make our boys as safe as we could and send
them people to help them when we could.

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So.
I can see

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It is young men dying in the fullness of their
promise.

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It is trying to kill a man that you do not even
know well enough to hate.

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It is a crime against mankind.

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so long on the fires of war and death.

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Napalm, which was made from information and from
a formula

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in the United States Special Forces handbook
published by the

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School of Special Warfare of the United States.

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We all had a hand in making the napalm.

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It was used here today.

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These were folks who went to burn records that
they felt had no right to exist.

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Well, if everybody who feels that certain
records don't have a right to exist or are entitled

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to do that, uh, there is not only anarchy,
there is a,

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uh.
Uh, tearing of the social fabric that is,

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that is intolerable, and I didn't feel any, uh,
uh.

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Uh, sense of guilt or or or.

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Uh, regret at, uh, prosecuting what I regarded
as, uh,

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as excessive, arrogant in attempts to inflict
their views on

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others. Uh, that's not the way a democracy is, uh,
supposed to work.

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You, you, um, you can't burn what you hate.

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We regret very much, uh, I think all of us, the
inconvenience and even the suffering that we

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brought to these clerks here.

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It was done so quickly and we had hoped that
they wouldn't be so excitable over a few files.

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It's very hard to bring home to people exactly
what they're doing by being custodians of such

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files.
And, uh, we certainly want to see publicly

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our apologies for hurting them.

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And we tried to interpose ourselves between
them and those who were, uh, gaining the

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draft files here on the ground from the
cabinets themselves.

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Um, but I think we, in a sense, we, uh, we were
a little unsuccessful because we did have to

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struggle a bit with them, and I'd just like to
repeat what Dan has said.

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We sincerely hope we didn't injure anyone.

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Um, when I tended to be too damn angry.

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All the time I was ashamed of this country and
what we were doing in Vietnam.

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And I was ashamed to be an American and I was
angry as hell over it.

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You know, and while I would never raise a hand
against another human being.

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Uh, there was too much contempt in me.

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And, and, and too much hatred of the system
here.

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Forgetting, of course, that the system is made up
of people and, uh, according to our tradition and

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our religion and according to our scripture,
we're obligated to love the people.

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We're obligated to love even our enemies.
We're obligated to love the people and there

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wasn't much of that in my makeup in those days.

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Um, yet at the same time I was deeply convinced
even then.

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Of the necessity for direct action and, uh, now
uh I know that it

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is the only, uh, it's the only resource that, that
people have.

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Well, the Catonsville episode called to mind
then the life of a great Catholic lawyer,

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the patron saint really of, uh, of all lawyers,
uh, Thomas More.

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And the scene, um, that, uh, makes this point.

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Uh, best is a scene in which More is about to
be betrayed by a,

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a disappointed office seeker, and More's
family urges More to arrest him because he's

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bad, and More, the lawyer, says there's no law
against that and his self-righteous

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son-in-law Roper says there is God's law.
More says then let God arrest him and the

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impatient son-in-law says what sophistication
upon sophistication.

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Sheer simplicity, says More.
The law, Roper,

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the law.
I know what's legal, not what's right,

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and I'll stick to what's legal.

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Roper says you said man's law above God's?

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No, far below, says More, but let me draw your
attention to a fact,

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Roper.
I'm not God.

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The currents and the eddies of right and wrong,
would you find such plain sailing?

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I can't navigate.

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I'm no voyager, but in the thickets of the law,
there, I'm a forester.

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I doubt there's a man alive who could follow me
there, thank God.

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He said, and his wife then says, while you talk,
he's gone.

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The bad guy is getting away.

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And go he should, says Moore, if he was the
devil himself until he broke the law.

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And Roper, now outraged, says, so now you give
the devil the benefit of law.

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More, yes, what would you do, Roper?
Cut a great row through the law.

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This country's planted thick with laws from
coast to coast,

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man's laws, not God's.

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And if you cut them down and you're just the
man to do it,

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do you really think you could stand upright in
the winds that would blow then?

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Yes, I'd give the devil benefit of law for my
own safety's sake.

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Take you to the station.

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Right in the back of the paddy wagon.

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12:45.

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6789.

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Okay, these individuals were

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uh, were certainly at the very least guilty of.

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malicious destruction of property and at the
very worst possibly even treason,

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uh, the country was engaged at that time in a
in a,

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a war, even though it was undeclared war, and,
uh, certainly this,

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this action would give aid and comfort to the
enemy.

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In the race to the moon, in the race to the moon.

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Oh, Mr.
Spaceman, you sure have started something.

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Oh, Mr. Spaceman.

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Don't you know you got my heart thumping? Oh Mr.
Spaceman, I wanna be a spaceman too.

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No, sir, it's the palm of my pal.

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Oh, Mr. Basman.

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Don't you know you got my heart thumping?

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Oh, Mr.
Spaceman, I'm not really very far behind with

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an A with an A.

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There wasn't a single dinner conversation
in Catholic families that didn't refer to that

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action where people weren't arguing
passionately about it one way or the other.

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And it split so many people and so many
families, churches,

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clubs, whatnot in Catonsville because some of
the people would say.

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It's wonderful what they did, that's
what needed to be done.

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Vietnam is not where we should be.

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The other part would say they shouldn't have
done it.

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It's a crime, they shouldn't have done it.
Everyone I knew thought the government was

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doing the right thing.
And after that we began to have questions

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and we began to have concerns.

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Ground action during the day was reported light
and scattered.

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The most significant engagement in the past few
days took place near a US special forces camp

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in the central lowlands.
It came after enemy troops.

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As the trial progressed, I began to develop a
lot of feelings for what they were doing,

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how much courage it took for them.

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To do what they did.

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They surely knew it was going to change
their whole life.

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I'm sorry.
Oh, it's okay.

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I could never be that courageous.

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Never. We strategized from the start.

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Our whole idea was to dispense with bullshit
and with the niceties of the courtroom to

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draw the thing tight like a spring.

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Each of you tell your story.

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Where have you been with your life and how did
you come here?

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And the whole process, the way the judge handled
the trial really gave us a

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tremendous opportunity to speak.

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He asked me, well, why didn't you do this in
Guatemala?

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You know, I really relaxed then and I
laughed out loud.

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I said, because I'd be dead.

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You don't demonstrate in a country that doesn't
let people speak out.

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I mean, that's one of the advantages of being an
American.

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Why am I an American?
Why am I here?

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Because I do have the opportunity to speak, even
if this is civil disobedience.

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Being willing to take the punishment for it,
but allowing me to do it.

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They walked two miles, about 3,000 of them.

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The march was peaceful, differing only from an
ordinary parade by the chants of 'End the War,'

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and 'The Draft.'
Well, on a dolly, you know, they rolled in

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these boxes, these wooden boxes that were the
size of infant caskets.

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And I had seen infant caskets with the bodies
of infants in Vietnam,

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burned infants.

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And so I just went like that, and that's where
the poem started.

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And what was it if the people in the courtroom,
did they know who,

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how is it described? What was it?
Can you tell me what was in those boxes?

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And the boxes in the courtroom, well, there
were nothing but burned, half-burned ashes and

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papers and so on and so forth, and they
introduced those in evidence as though they

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were important, you know,
and they were nothing.

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I mean, we had burned papers instead of children.
That was our crime.

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In Baltimore today, 9 Catholic War protesters
were sentenced to federal prison for burning

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draft card records.
The prison terms range from 2 to 3.5 years.

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Much of the active opposition to the Vietnam
War.

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Nixon was invading Cambodia and bombing Laos
and Cambodia,

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and the war was worse than when we started.

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It had advanced into those other countries, you
know.

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There was huge turmoil on the campuses all over
the country,

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strikes and occupations and so on.

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And a few of us decided when we were summoned.

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To give ourselves up, that that would be like
taking military induction.

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They were worsening their criminal war and we
were giving ourselves in, said,

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What is this, you know?

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So I went underground, a delaying tactic.

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It was to call more attention to the war.

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And in the process, give Mr.
Hoover a headache.

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And a backache.

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And that rationale

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really caught fire both when the Catholic left
and then throughout the country, and it

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emboldened a lot of people.

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If Catholic priests can go out and make a
statement like that about the war,

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surely in some small way I can do something.
I can,

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if only to speak up in some gathering and
express my opposition to the war.

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I've been underground, if you can call it that,
for only a short time.

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I was supposed to show up at the Federal
Marshal's offices in Baltimore on Thursday,

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April 9th at 8:30 a.m.

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To begin serving my sentence, which is 2 years,
I think.

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We'd gotten together, the remaining 8 of us,
about a week or so before that,

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and the decision that came out of that meeting
was that we would do our own thing.

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I hadn't intended at all to show up, but then
neither had I intended to,

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so to speak, go underground.

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I don't think the feds are looking very hard
for us because we're certainly not the ten most

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wanted, and yet in one sense, I think we must be
very irritating to them, and this perhaps is

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our greatest impact.

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The idea of jail doesn't bother me that much.

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The idea of cooperating with the federal
government in any way at all irritates the hell

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out of me.
My alternatives are to go to jail,

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go above ground with an assumed identity, stay
underground, or leave the country.

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Anyway, I choose.
The government is choosing for me.

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But what we're questioning is their right, and
they lost that right because of the obscenity

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and the insanity of their actions, which are
growing more and more obscene and insane.

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Mr.
McKinley, he didn't do no wrong.

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You rode on down to Buff.

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But he didn't stay too long.

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I believe if we're really confronting the
empire as Christians,

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and that's, that's what we're called to do, uh,
that's, that's a very clear biblical message.

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And, um,

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that we have to be prepared for disruption if
we're about

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bringing change through nonviolence, then we
should think seriously about being free enough

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to go to jail.

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The train was the train running on down the
line.

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Blowing out of every station.

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McKinley is a.

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time.
And so they took me to

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a restaurant to have a real meal for the first
time.

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And they handed me the menu and they said, What
would you like to order?

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And I couldn't believe it, but I could not
order.

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I could not think for myself.
I could not figure out this is what I would

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like.
It's not like, oh boy, I'm finally out,

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this is what I want.

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I just couldn't.

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And they looked over and they said, Well, just
take your time,

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you know, pick whatever you want.
And finally the tears came to my eyes and I

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just felt so helpless.

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It was like the first time that I was able to
do anything for myself because you can't even

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get an aspirin, you know, when you have a headache, you just go to the medicine camp and
get an aspirin, and you're all set.

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Get an aspirin, and you're all set.

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Here you have to put in a request and beg, and
it's a

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it's a very dehumanizing kind of experience.

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The rationale

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of those actions of going to jail was at first to fill up the jails, where, you know, it's not gonna
fill up the jails.

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Fill up the jails.

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Second, it would radicalize people.

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Third, it would build communities out of the

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people coming out of jail, going into jail to
build communities.

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I don't think it succeeded on any of those scores
there.

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I can't achieve identity with the poor except
when I'm in jail.

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I always tend, when I start feeling sorry
for myself,

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I always tend to think about what it would
mean

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if I stopped; so that's a terrible prospect, and
I've never been able to acclimate to that,

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and I won't.
I hope that I can keep going until, until I

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die.
I very definitely see myself as a criminal.

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I think if we're serious about changing
society, that's how we have to see ourselves.

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We're all out on bail.

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And let's all stay out.

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And if you look back on their lives, they never
really stopped.

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They never really stopped.

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And there are not many people around like that.

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They felt so strongly about what they were doing and about
what

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the government was doing.

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That they were willing to risk everything.

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Now Roosevelt's in the White House.

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And McKinley's in the graveyard.

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And taking his rest.

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The Vietnam War produced the largest and most
significant movement against war in American

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history, so I could see this myself in the course of the war as
acts of civil disobedience multiplied.

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Disobedience multiplied.

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He's Roosevelt.
He's in the White House drinking out of a

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silver cup.
And McKinley's in the graveyard.

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And you'll never wake. Yeah. time.

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Mr. McKinley.

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It just rolls on down to Buffalo.

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But he didn't stay too long.

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What Catonsville did was they became a kind of
model for

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you know, all the others. You know, there was
the Catonsville 9, and there were the Milwaukee

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14, and, you know, there were the Camden 28, and
there were the Boston 5.

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One unit moves up the hill and drops a violet
smoke bomb to designate their point of contact

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with the enemy at the top.

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With the enemy positions marked, Allied planes
roar over the hill and send napalm flaming

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along through the enemy bunkers.

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Enemy troops moved into one little village only
300 yards away and started mortaring the camp.

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Most of the villages were out of the way when
American airstrikes were called in to silence

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the mortars.
Now the villagers move their few remaining

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possessions to a hamlet even closer to the camp.

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Pigs and chickens and whatever is left where
their houses used to be.

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The special forces know they will have to work
hard later on to regain the full confidence of

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these villagers.
But even with the air attacks,

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it is still to Hatan that these mountain people
turn for security.

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Intelligence indicates that this is to be the
night of the attack on the base camp,

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so the special forces want to take outpost 4 by
nightfall.

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But the special forces unit still can't
dislodge the enemy after three tries.

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So a mobile strike force is sent up to assist in
the assault.

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I'm gonna throw a smoke right below me and
everything.

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Enemy.
I say everything below the smoke is enemy, over

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the whole hillside below me.
Was that

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Fred?