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O Globo was a small newspaper
in Rio de Janeiro.

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run by the Marinho family

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that grew in the 1930s,
moving from family to family.

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It was a weak newspaper that
interfered in Rio and even so

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it wasn’t the city’s main newspaper.

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But it was already
a coupmongering newspaper.

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by a very tough stance against
the most progressive laws

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of president Getúlio.

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O Globo hit very hard on
the issue of the minimum wage,

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on the construction of Petrobras.

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When Getulio committed suicide
in the Catete Palace of Rio,

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the crowds did not hesitate, they
went for O Globo’s vehicles.

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\"The people are not silly; down
with the Globo Network\"

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Their journalists had to run.

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Because the hatred
of Roberto Marinho

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against Getúlio was clear
for every one to see.

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Globo was the subject

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of very large protests, despite
not being powerful as it is now.

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Globo became very powerful
with the 1964 coup d’etat.

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The Globo Network grew
in the military dictatorship.

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It made an entirely illegal
deal at the time,

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dubbed “timelife agreement”.

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Roberto Marinho built a TV through
manoeuvering in the justice,

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all in exchange for the
support from the military.

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He’s the Stalin of communications.

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If you don’t agree with him
you’re sent to Siberia.

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the Siberia of the ice
and oblivion.

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The Marinho family
controls television,

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print, radio, internet,
news agencies,

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a film production business.
The so-called cross ownership.

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It’s in control of the
entire media spectrum.

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And in a country such as Brazil,

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with the cultural and
educational deficiencies,

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which has always been
educated by its elites

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to be a mere subsidiary
of international capitalism,

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media has a lot of weight.
98% of households have a TV.

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No. Absolutely no way.
The big media was a protagonist!

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This coup. This Globo.
I almost said “Gloup”

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No, but it would have not
been viable solely with the media.

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The media articulated an alliance.
It took part in a project

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in order to topple an
elected government.

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This media project had
various actors, who along with them

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were responsible for conceiving
and executing the coup d’etat.

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Firstly, there were
political sectors

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that had lost four
consecutive elections.

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These sectors were represented
by centre-right and centre

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parties such as PSDB
and a chunk of PMDB.

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In addition, segments of
the financial market.

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Let me start our conversation
by clarifying that Dilma

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is not corrupt, and they
never cared about corruption.

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They wanted to get rid
of an elected government,

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of the institutional government,

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and replace it with
the neoliberal interests

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aligned with the geopolitical
interests of the United States

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and the financial capital.
The “stray” capital.

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The capital that lives
off public debts,

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that doesn’t produce a single
button, a screw, a machine part

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that generates jobs, that thrives
on in its very own refinancing.

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We are all very much on the wrong
path. When I see the enthusiasm of

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simple and innocent people over
what will happen on the day after

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Dilma is removed, I imagine that
they are all some sort of children

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learning how to play chess
for the very first time.

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This coup is very different

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from the traditional
military coup d’etats.

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It had already been successfully
tested in Honduras in 2009,

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with Zelaya, and in Paraguay
in 2012 with Lugo,

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“The Bishop of the Poor”.

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And it was done again in Brazil
between April and August 2016.

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I like the mediatic-judiciary-
parliamentary coup description,

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but I think there’s a problem.

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This description doesn’t highlight
the biggest coupmonger: the media

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There would be no
coup without the media.

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Our current parliament
looks just like the media,

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and it’s also its hostage.

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What is the hybrid coup?

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That’s the coup d’etat
that doesn’t look like a coup

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That’s done within the
legality of the institutions,

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inside the state apparatus,
without shredding the constitution,

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like the old school coups,
the military coups,

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that were defined by a rupture of the
constitutional order.

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It’s a coup covered
by the institutions,

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seeking a legal veneer,

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and that apparently takes place
inside the Rule of Law,

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through a manipulation of the
parliamentary procedure and legal system.

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The coup was misogynistic,
judiciary, mediatic,

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legislative, a full-on hate.

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I remember the Pope
Francis’s homily on May 17th.

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I was with him shortly after and
he practically repeated

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what he had already said:

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In the sense of how the coups
are carried out nowadays.

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The coups begin with slander,
slander turns into

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a systematic media campaign,

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on to the justice apparatus,
and then comes the coup.

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There is a system that
regulates the situation,

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and communication vehicles

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impact on the collective
consciousness of the peoples,

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particularly in those sectors that
have no critical consciousness,

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who receive information chiefly
from print press and television.

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Globo is a fake news,

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and it attempts to impose a certain
narrative on Brazil.

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They managed to mobilise many
Brazilians against Dilma working

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public opinion in a very difficult
moment in the history of Brazil.

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But that still wasn’t enough.

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She was ousted without any grounds.

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Future historians will struggle
enormously in order to explain

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why Dilma was removed from office.

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There is a very fine example
from 2014, when the magazine Veja

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released a cover that soon
turned out to be a real whopper.

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Dilma and Lula were on the cover,
in the day of the election

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It said: “They knew everything”.
About embezzlement in Petrobras.

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It turned out to be a big lie.

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Media manipulation
in Brazil is scandalous.

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There are some aspects that
are always abstract,

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such as the question
of the monocultures.

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The monoculture of leaves,
of corn, of the trees.

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In these monocultures
there are no birds,

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there are no frogs, no mosquitoes

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There’s no life. Because
they destroy the biodiversity

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that generates life, renewal.

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But there’s a monoculture
that’s far more dangerous

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That’s the monoculture of the minds.

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And the monoculture of the minds
is related to toxics of propaganda.

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And these toxics are the
communication vehicles.

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\"Do you watch television every day?\"
\"Every day\"

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\"What programes do you like?\"

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\"Novelas, news, films,
Chico Anysio\"

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“Football. Lots of football”

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\"Do you watch Globo more than
the other channels?\"

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“Only Globo”

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We can sum it up like this:

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Operation Car Wash investigates

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What happens? The Operation leaks
information to the media.

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The media uses this information
in order to demoralise politicians,

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particularly the Workers’ Party,
Lula and the direction of PT.

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The Operation was very well planned.

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It reverberates in the way it works.

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How does this mechanism work?

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There is an investigation against
a specific person in course.

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This investigation should have
a presumption of innocence.

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It should be a reserved
and careful investigation,

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and it should only be made public

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once very relevant proof
and evidence against

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the defendant has surfaced

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Because once you
destroy a reputation,

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its reconstruction is impracticable

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in the modern world. What did
the federal prosecutors do?

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They leaked certain
investigations prematurely.

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to TV Globo, to Estadao,
to Folha, to O Globo,

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to Correio Brasiliense,

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to Record, to SBT, but first
and foremost to Globo.

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Globo was Operation Car Wash’s
main communication mechanism.

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They leaked this information about
a prominent politician, associated

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with a relevant businessman, and
Globo could construct its news show

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Jornal Nacional solely
upon the information

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leaked by the federal prosecutors.

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There was a conversation between
president Dilma and Lula.

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The constitution states that you
may only investigate a president

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with a mandate from
the federal congress.

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The investigating officers know it

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because they hold a degree
in Law. What do they do?

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They listen, they realise
that there is a conversation

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between Lula and Dilma,

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they get their own interpretation
out of their heads

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and they take it to Moro.

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That’s the afternoon before the
huge demonstrations.

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It’s on TV Globo’s news show
Jornal Nacional that evening

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and it’s full cover of the
paper O Globo the following day.

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There are several crimes.
Firstly, listening to someone when

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the presiding judge has
already ordered you to stop.

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Secondly, you\'re listening to the
President of the Republic.

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Thirdly, you leak it in order to
generate public commotion.

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“I’m Brazilian with
a lot of pride and a lot of love”

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It was leaked to Globo. Globo
even won an international prize

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in Europe for scoring
a journalistic scoop.

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In reality, that was no scoop.

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Globo received the audio directly
from Sergio Moro’s assistants.

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That’s how my case happened

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I’m a real minnow. I was charged,
it wasn\'t just a bench warrant.

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I became a defendant
for practically a year and a half

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I had respond to Operation Car Wash.

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I was acquitted by Judge Sergio Moro

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and the Federal Justice of Curitiba.

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But the only reason
why I was acquitted

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wasn\'t because I’m innocent.

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Many innocent people
were found guilty

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starting with president Lula. I was
acquitted because I’m not a heavyweight.

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Mind that Judge Sergio Moro
has no evidence against Lula

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yet he considers him corrupt.

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That’s the epitome
of the antijudiciary.

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What’s Sergio Moro’s prize? He’s
now Bolsonaro’s Justice Minister.

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Let’s not make any noise,
let’s not tell anyone.

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Let’s keep it to ourselves,

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let\'s stay quiet, in order
to avoid a quick disclosure.

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Because the sooner
this gets disclosed,

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the sooner they can appeal,

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the sooner this will
go to the plenary.

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The guys asked us not to comment
in public and allow other channels

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to publish the news,
preventing those who have

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a position contrary
to ours from appealing.

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I’m gonna use a football metaphor:

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Jet Leaks by the Intercept
were a real game-changer.

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The revelations by The Intercept
destroy Sergio Moro

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and Deltan Dallagnol,
the heroes with feet of clay

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sculpted by Globo\'s journalism

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There would be no Deltan, no Moro
and no Operation Car Wash

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had Globo not been their
partner and associate.

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Globo didn’t just report
on the Operation Car Wash.

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Globo was a partner
of the Operation Car Wash.

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The objective of the Operation was
to remove the Workers’ Party

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from the presidential race,

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so that it didn’t win
yet another election.

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These communication vehicles
aren’t just national.

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They are international.

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I saw it in the European press,

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they repeat exactly the same
as the vehicles here in Argentina.

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Clarin, La Nacion and other
newspapers, and also other vehicles

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such as television and radio.

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There is a permanent insistence in
demoralising, in order to control
such as television and radio.

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There is a permanent insistence in
demoralising, in order to control

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and to subject the judicial power
to the political establishment.

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That’s what we’re living nowadays.
It’s a political strategy,

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a tool for social manipulation.
And that’s supported by repression.

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That I can\'t tell you. I’ll say the
following. When I went to London,

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I visited the newspaper The Guardian
I exposed the coup to them,

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explained why it was a coup,
and asked them to investigate.

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I didn’t ask them to believe

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what I was saying
without questioning it.

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We must analyse the meeting minutes

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of the First Summit of the Americas

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held in 1994 in Miami. That’s
when the United States set up

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a post-Cold War strategy
for Latin America.

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It was no longer the military

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that functioned as
the Praetorian Guard, the cavalry

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of the American interests
in the region.

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That lost its pretext with
the end of the Cold War.

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It was necessary to
find the tools for defending

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their geopolitical interests
inside the institutionality.

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In the meeting minutes of the Summit,

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in which all countries of
Latin America participated

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Except Cuba, due to the blockade,

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that’s where the following
was established:

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internationalisation of justice,

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justice focus in the fight
against terrorism,

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moneylaundering and corruption,
US funding for the improvement,

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modernisation and establishment

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of new areas inside
the Public Prosecution Office,

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the judiciary and the
federal police forces.

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That’s where they prepare the
constitutional framework,

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where the military was
replaced by the judiciary.

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Sadly it took a long time
for the popular progressive

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forces of the left
to realise this phenomenon.

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They were not prepared
for this phenomenon.

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In some cases without realising
they even helped it to become rooted.

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In Latin America
throughout its history

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has always been victim
of interventions

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by the United States.
Because they consider

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Latin America their backyard,

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its resources, its people.

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They perceive themselves
as owners of the entire

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continent and so they have
always helped to stage coups.

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I think that
in international politics,

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you can’t really
believe in coincidences.

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There was the spionage of president
Dilma, the spionage in Petrobras,

00:34:46.110 --> 00:34:49.100
that\'s where the problem
with Operation Car Wash began

00:34:49.100 --> 00:34:52.100
that helps to build up this case.

00:34:52.100 --> 00:34:56.090
I’m not saying there are no real
facts, but all of this did happen

00:34:56.090 --> 00:34:58.230
There was an open
cooperation between

00:34:58.230 --> 00:35:01.230
the judiciary and
federal prosecutors,

00:35:01.230 --> 00:35:05.160
as declared by
Assistant Attorney General

00:35:05.160 --> 00:35:10.500
of the United States
Kenneth Blanco

00:35:10.890 --> 00:35:14.300
The Ministry of Justice and

00:35:14.310 --> 00:35:17.110
the Federal Prosecution
Office are fused over there.

00:35:17.110 --> 00:35:20.040
He declared that
there is an informal cooperation.

00:35:20.100 --> 00:35:22.280
It went past neither

00:35:22.280 --> 00:35:25.140
the Ministry of Foreign Affairs
nor the Ministry of Justice.

00:37:21.240 --> 00:37:24.300
I’m going to tell you
what I actually said.

00:37:24.310 --> 00:37:28.350
I said that we did not need the US
in order to stage a coup d’etat.

00:37:28.350 --> 00:37:31.950
The Brazilian right wing
was competent enough

00:37:31.950 --> 00:37:34.270
to stage a coup on their own.

00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:37.370
But I do think that there was
a helping hand from the US.

00:37:37.370 --> 00:37:42.250
But the leadership of the coup
was Brazilian, the Brazilian elite.

00:37:42.250 --> 00:37:45.310
The Brazilian elite
has a tradition of coups.

00:38:03.320 --> 00:38:07.390
In the past they used
implement military dictatorships.

00:38:07.410 --> 00:38:09.290
Who was the enemy?

00:38:09.290 --> 00:38:14.360
An abstract. The relationship
between the East and the West,

00:38:14.370 --> 00:38:20.140
the fear of international communism.

00:38:20.280 --> 00:38:23.360
That was the big enemy.

00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:27.330
After the atrocities of
the dictatorship,

00:38:27.330 --> 00:38:29.490
of which I am a survivor,

00:38:29.500 --> 00:38:32.500
the United States created

00:38:32.540 --> 00:38:37.310
another type of domination
that’s very dangerous,

00:38:37.310 --> 00:38:42.760
as dangerous as the dictatorship,
and that’s lawfare.

00:38:44.400 --> 00:38:46.850
It’s the judicial war.

00:38:47.380 --> 00:38:50.530
The media articulated
itself and became some sort of

00:38:50.530 --> 00:38:54.830
fourth level appeal court.

00:38:54.950 --> 00:38:57.440
What is this fourth level appeal?

00:38:57.440 --> 00:39:00.330
It’s a process for the destruction

00:39:00.330 --> 00:39:04.530
of political leaderships
of the left and centre-left,

00:39:04.540 --> 00:39:09.340
focussed on the Workers’ Party.

00:39:09.340 --> 00:39:14.580
We can call it a
lawfare environment.

00:39:15.340 --> 00:39:24.390
You replace the physical
weapons with the law.

00:39:24.400 --> 00:39:29.400
The law becomes the lethal instrument.

00:39:29.850 --> 00:39:33.400
What do you do with that?

00:39:33.410 --> 00:39:37.070
You create an enemy.
The justice of the enemy.

00:39:37.070 --> 00:39:40.490
You don’t just defeat the enemy,

00:39:40.490 --> 00:39:43.470
You must also destroy the enemy.
Is that physical?

00:39:43.470 --> 00:39:45.560
No. It’s a civil destruction.

00:39:45.560 --> 00:39:48.430
You destroy the enemy
because you accuse them

00:39:48.430 --> 00:39:50.780
of being a criminal,
and you demoralise them.

00:39:51.390 --> 00:39:54.380
Lawfare is used fundamentally
in the peripheral nations.

00:39:54.390 --> 00:39:58.390
The central nations seek
to protect themselves

00:39:58.440 --> 00:40:02.390
from lawfare because
of the danger that it represents.

00:40:02.450 --> 00:40:06.400
Because there is no exit door.

00:40:06.440 --> 00:40:10.400
You know how it begins but
you don’t know how it ends.

00:40:10.520 --> 00:40:13.600
It’s easy getting
the toothpaste out of the tube,

00:40:13.620 --> 00:40:16.660
but it’s very dangerous
putting it back inside.

00:40:36.600 --> 00:40:40.430
My unfair conviction
and illegal imprisonment

00:40:40.550 --> 00:40:43.730
more than a year ago are the result

00:40:44.740 --> 00:40:50.440
of a judicial farce. They are
the direct consequence of a social,

00:40:50.660 --> 00:40:54.440
economic and political failure

00:40:54.560 --> 00:40:57.450
of the coup/impeachment
of president Dilma in 2016.

00:40:57.590 --> 00:41:02.450
Preparations for
the coup started in 2013

00:41:02.740 --> 00:41:06.460
when TV Globo used
its public concession

00:41:06.580 --> 00:41:09.460
in order to encourage
people to demonstrate against

00:41:09.630 --> 00:41:12.660
the government and the
democratic system.

00:41:17.620 --> 00:41:20.570
Globo lied about the strike

00:41:20.570 --> 00:41:22.550
It gave incorrect information

00:41:22.560 --> 00:41:28.760
about the demonstrations,
about what our demands were...

00:41:29.470 --> 00:41:31.480
and the number of people on strike

00:41:31.730 --> 00:41:38.180
It only reported what was
in the bosses interest. For example:

00:41:39.230 --> 00:41:45.350
one day Globo interviewed me
to get the workers view...

00:41:45.390 --> 00:41:49.500
and interviewed Mario Garnero
to get the bosses\' view

00:41:49.540 --> 00:41:53.500
...but they only showed
the interview with Garnero.

00:41:55.700 --> 00:41:59.690
“Lula, did you traffic cocaine?”
“No”

00:41:59.690 --> 00:42:02.710
“Are you not involved
in the Coroa-Brastel, Capemi,

00:42:02.710 --> 00:42:06.120
Delfin, Proconsult affair?”
\"No\"

00:42:06.160 --> 00:42:10.600
”You didn\'t even sink
the Baungarten?”, \"No\"

00:42:10.600 --> 00:42:15.570
“My dear, we can’t go on
like that. I’m trying

00:42:15.570 --> 00:42:19.690
to facilitate your acquittal
but you won’t help me”.

00:42:24.560 --> 00:42:27.540
Globo, or rather
Globo’s journalism,

00:42:27.660 --> 00:42:32.560
has been screwing
Lula since before 1989,

00:42:32.560 --> 00:42:38.780
before Lula ran for presidency.
Globo already screwed Lula,

00:42:39.540 --> 00:42:43.680
it was already anti-PT,

00:42:43.680 --> 00:42:47.700
It already organised
its message suggesting that

00:42:47.700 --> 00:42:51.600
the Workers’ Party
was a criminal organisation,

00:42:51.600 --> 00:42:55.570
a terrorist organisation.

00:42:55.570 --> 00:42:59.740
Globo used a lot of devices

00:42:59.750 --> 00:43:05.590
in order to suggest this,
including the frame,

00:43:05.590 --> 00:43:12.590
the music score, the fonts.

00:43:12.590 --> 00:43:15.350
Lula has been Globo’s
target for a very long time.

00:43:15.360 --> 00:43:17.590
And despite being Globo’s nemesis,

00:43:17.590 --> 00:43:19.760
Lula was elected president.

00:43:19.760 --> 00:43:24.720
And after he was elected, Globo
carried on bombarding Lula.

00:43:24.720 --> 00:43:28.790
Just because he’s president.
But being president isn’t a crime.

00:43:28.790 --> 00:43:31.730
At least as far as I know.

00:43:31.730 --> 00:43:34.610
Here in Brazil, however,
you must keep your eyes open

00:43:34.610 --> 00:43:37.770
because being president can
be deemed a criminal offence.

00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:29.000
The new Brazil we created with
the people and productice forces

00:44:29.010 --> 00:44:33.000
was portrayed by Globo
and their followers

00:44:33.010 --> 00:44:37.000
As a rudderless nation,
corroded by corruption

00:44:37.010 --> 00:44:44.000
Neither in 1954 against Getúlio
Nor in 1964 against Joao Goulart

00:44:44.010 --> 00:44:50.000
Had we seen such demonisation of
a party, government or president

00:44:50.010 --> 00:44:54.500
Hundreds of hours of Jornal Nacional
and thousands of magazine headlines

00:44:54.510 --> 00:45:00.000
against us. No opportunity
of defending our opinions

00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:33.830
Tell me something,
did Lula ever embezzle a penny

00:46:33.830 --> 00:46:36.890
from the accusations being made?

00:46:36.890 --> 00:46:40.930
What evidence is there that he
owns this Guaruja apartment?

00:46:40.930 --> 00:46:44.990
What proof is there that he owns
the country house in Atibaia?

00:46:44.990 --> 00:46:49.970
And why would president Lula need
that, considering he left office

00:46:50.860 --> 00:46:55.710
with the highest ratings
in Brazilian history.

00:46:56.870 --> 00:47:02.040
And he charged U$100.000 for
a talk. He wouldn’t need that.

00:47:02.800 --> 00:47:06.070
This is the proof that he
didn’t take a single penny.

00:47:06.110 --> 00:47:10.120
These accusations are just lawfare

00:47:10.310 --> 00:47:14.800
as you call it in Europe.
In other words, a setup trial

00:47:14.900 --> 00:47:16.730
in order to turn him
into a political prisoner.

00:47:16.820 --> 00:47:19.880
The biggest proof is that he said:
“I don’t want clemency,

00:47:19.920 --> 00:47:23.130
I want to be acquitted
because I’m not guilty”

00:48:32.980 --> 00:48:36.070
I have the sensation

00:48:36.070 --> 00:48:43.040
that there is a climate
for hate in the country,

00:48:43.050 --> 00:48:47.030
this is the century of hate, because

00:48:47.030 --> 00:48:49.080
this anger is spread across the globe

00:48:50.090 --> 00:48:55.040
The big media fed this hate,

00:48:55.040 --> 00:49:00.100
particularly against Lula,

00:49:00.100 --> 00:49:07.090
the Workers’ Party, and generally
in a violent way. You could see

00:49:07.090 --> 00:49:14.000
the reaction to an alarming headline
the following day on the streets,

00:49:14.090 --> 00:49:17.120
the climate on the streets changed

00:49:17.120 --> 00:49:21.100
the aggressiveness against Lula
increased every day

00:49:21.100 --> 00:49:32.040
and that was very much
linked with the media fuss.

00:49:32.040 --> 00:49:38.010
“Lula, you thief, you
belong in prison!!!”

00:50:17.200 --> 00:50:21.050
There’s something very
serious happening right now.

00:50:21.060 --> 00:50:26.020
It looks like I became the dream
of the ministers who judged me

00:50:26.020 --> 00:50:32.070
And federal judge Moro.
It looks like

00:50:32.070 --> 00:50:34.820
they don\'t want me to leave
under no circumstances,

00:50:34.920 --> 00:50:38.210
alongside with the Globo Network
and other media vehicles of Brazil,

00:50:38.230 --> 00:50:43.930
they don’t want Operation Car Wash to end,
they don\'t want me to be acquitted

00:50:43.980 --> 00:50:46.080
before I’m arrested.

00:52:49.000 --> 00:52:53.560
What kind of law is that where
the truth is established by

00:52:53.600 --> 00:52:55.650
what’s broadcast on television?

00:52:55.660 --> 00:52:58.220
No one challenges the news presenter.

00:52:58.220 --> 00:53:01.370
If you think of the power
of Jornal Nacional in Brazil,

00:53:01.370 --> 00:53:08.290
My father used to say “Good Evening”
when news anchor said “Good Evening”.

01:03:07.930 --> 01:03:18.930
The government had already
censored some of my songs officially

01:03:18.930 --> 01:03:24.910
But Globo went a step further:
it banned any mention of me.

01:03:25.900 --> 01:03:28.800
This happened in the early 1970s,

01:03:29.020 --> 01:03:32.830
and Globo still doesn’t recognise it.

01:03:32.830 --> 01:03:34.800
It never apologised to me.

01:03:34.800 --> 01:03:34.810
Globo apologised for its support
of the 1964 coup d\'etat.
It never apologised to me.

01:03:34.810 --> 01:03:38.980
Globo apologised for its support
of the 1964 coup d\'etat.

01:03:38.980 --> 01:03:42.020
When Globo celebrated
a certain anniversary

01:03:42.020 --> 01:03:45.260
it did a long show claiming to be

01:03:45.260 --> 01:03:49.030
a victim of censorship.
That’s a joke.

01:03:49.030 --> 01:03:52.910
I repeat: Globo didn’t
just support censorship,

01:03:52.910 --> 01:03:56.870
but it was also an active censor,
in my case and in many cases.

01:03:56.870 --> 01:04:02.900
“The truth hurts:
”Globo supported the dictatorship\"

01:04:32.920 --> 01:04:34.990
“Recording!”

01:04:43.000 --> 01:04:47.460
I feel exhausted.

01:04:47.460 --> 01:04:51.110
Of course nobody notices my suffering.

01:04:51.870 --> 01:04:54.990
When I saw everyone on
the streets with a yellow shirt.

01:04:54.990 --> 01:04:57.020
I thought it was her enjoying Carnival.

01:04:57.020 --> 01:05:00.060
Eight hours and I dance
with a yellow shirt.

01:05:00.060 --> 01:05:03.940
Maybe I’ll make peace
with my head this way.

01:05:04.080 --> 01:05:06.960
When I heard the city
at night banging pots and pans.

01:05:06.960 --> 01:05:12.960
I thought it was her coming back to me
My head at night banging pots and pans.

01:05:12.960 --> 01:05:16.140
It probably doesn’t
allow the city to sleep.

01:05:16.900 --> 01:05:20.030
When I saw swathes of people
coming down from the favelas.

01:05:20.030 --> 01:05:22.040
I thought the people
were going to ask for…

01:05:22.040 --> 01:05:25.930
The head of the man who
looked after the favelas.

01:05:25.930 --> 01:05:29.100
My head rolling at
the Maracana stadium.

01:05:29.100 --> 01:05:32.930
When I saw the people on their feet
applauding the championship results.

01:05:32.930 --> 01:05:35.020
I could swear it was her who arrived.

01:05:35.020 --> 01:05:38.060
I was already feeling exhausted.

01:05:38.060 --> 01:05:42.060
Of course nobody notices my suffering.

01:05:42.060 --> 01:05:45.070
When I saw everyone on
the streets with a yellow shirt.

01:05:45.070 --> 01:05:47.010
I thought it was her enjoying Carnival.

01:05:47.010 --> 01:05:49.010
Eight hours and I dance
with a yellow shirt.

01:05:51.290 --> 01:05:53.950
I lost my song!
I can no longer sing it!

01:05:53.960 --> 01:05:57.980
Because the pots
and pans were inverted

01:05:57.980 --> 01:05:59.150
and the yellow shirts
were misappropriated

01:05:59.150 --> 01:06:02.990
by this movement against corruption

01:06:02.990 --> 01:06:07.110
They also misappropriated
the Brazilian flag.

01:06:07.110 --> 01:06:16.160
When you see the flag hanging from
a building balcony, or in a car,

01:06:16.160 --> 01:06:21.050
you can say with certainty: there’s
a Bolsonaro-supporter living there.

01:06:21.050 --> 01:06:28.160
It’s sad, but our flag was
misappropriated by the far-right.

01:06:29.320 --> 01:06:31.040
Nowadays you won’t hear anyone

01:06:31.040 --> 01:06:33.030
banging half a pan,
you see my dear?

01:06:33.030 --> 01:06:40.030
Not half a pan. This pan element
was a moment of manipulation,

01:06:40.030 --> 01:06:43.110
like the tomato necklace

01:06:43.110 --> 01:06:46.100
and many other things.

01:06:46.100 --> 01:06:48.070
And the football shirt?

01:06:48.070 --> 01:06:55.080
World Cup standard, FIFA standard.
\"We want FIFA standard\"

01:06:55.080 --> 01:06:58.220
Once they investigated FIFA

01:06:58.220 --> 01:07:02.050
and widespread corruption
was uncovered.

01:07:02.050 --> 01:07:09.320
The role of the Globo Network
in this matter still isn’t clear.

01:07:09.360 --> 01:07:13.170
But when it became clear that FIFA
is corrupt everyone became silent.

01:07:13.170 --> 01:07:16.130
No one any longer talks
about FIFA standard.

01:07:16.240 --> 01:07:20.170
In the case of the pots and pans,

01:07:20.170 --> 01:07:24.030
now that people are returning
to extreme poverty,

01:07:24.040 --> 01:07:25.220
who’s gonna talk about
pots and pans?

01:07:36.110 --> 01:07:39.100
I think there is
a difficulty in Brazil

01:07:39.100 --> 01:07:41.270
guaranteeing
the representation of blacks,

01:07:42.090 --> 01:07:48.130
women and LGBTs in the media.

01:07:48.130 --> 01:07:53.100
Some have made more
improvements than others.

01:07:53.100 --> 01:07:55.180
But it’s still very hard,

01:07:55.180 --> 01:07:59.070
if you look at the range
of television networks,

01:07:59.070 --> 01:08:03.120
these sectors are
still underrepresented.

01:08:07.130 --> 01:08:11.170
For example, a black woman

01:08:11.170 --> 01:08:15.220
is considered incapable,
non-qualified,

01:08:15.220 --> 01:08:20.120
ugly, uneducated.
Just picture this:

01:08:20.120 --> 01:08:25.280
I was the first black
female city councillor,

01:08:25.290 --> 01:08:29.230
then member of parliament,

01:08:29.230 --> 01:08:40.110
first black senator,
first black governor.

01:08:40.110 --> 01:08:50.250
I experienced an incredible amount
of discrimination and prejudice.

01:08:50.250 --> 01:08:55.130
They even made a contest:
who’s gonna go out with me first

01:08:55.130 --> 01:08:58.340
A black woman from the
favela had arrived in this space,

01:08:58.340 --> 01:09:01.240
so she must be available.

01:09:01.240 --> 01:09:05.200
That’s how they see the black woman.

01:09:08.340 --> 01:09:13.330
I went to Globo when Roberto
Marinho was still alive.

01:09:13.330 --> 01:09:22.750
We established a dialogue
back then. He asked me:

01:09:22.750 --> 01:09:28.180
“Why do you need
to create bills and laws?”

01:09:28.180 --> 01:09:33.170
I said: “Senhor Roberto,
we need to create laws

01:09:33.170 --> 01:09:38.250
because we are the majority
of the population

01:09:38.250 --> 01:09:41.400
and we need to raised our black children

01:09:42.160 --> 01:09:45.260
at home identified with the progress.

01:09:45.260 --> 01:09:48.390
Television nowadays invades
our homes without asking.

01:09:48.390 --> 01:09:53.190
I want my little black boy or girl
to identify themselves.

01:09:53.190 --> 01:09:54.840
But how will they identify

01:09:54.840 --> 01:09:57.210
that they are children
just like any other

01:09:57.210 --> 01:09:59.280
if they don’t see
themselves represented

01:09:59.280 --> 01:10:01.240
on television, or anywhere else?

01:11:18.430 --> 01:11:21.310
We are here reenacting a picture

01:11:21.310 --> 01:11:23.150
that I took when she was very little

01:11:23.160 --> 01:11:26.360
because I voted for Lula

01:11:26.360 --> 01:11:28.320
I believed in Lula.
Now I believe in him.

01:11:28.320 --> 01:11:30.420
Maybe I’m wrong. In four years
I’ll vote for someone else.

01:11:30.420 --> 01:11:33.380
Or we remove beforehand,
like we did with Dilma.

01:11:34.280 --> 01:11:42.510
I think that what the media wanted…
Bolsonaro could win the elections,

01:11:42.510 --> 01:11:47.320
and once elected
Bolsonaro would carry out

01:11:47.320 --> 01:11:51.310
the neoliberal privatisation agenda.

01:11:51.310 --> 01:11:55.450
Removing rights. Shrinking the state

01:11:55.450 --> 01:11:59.430
to the bare essentials.
End of investments.

01:11:59.430 --> 01:12:07.140
They thought that was
Bolsonaro’s great mission.

01:12:07.140 --> 01:12:14.490
And along the way they would tame
him, they would co-opt him,

01:12:14.490 --> 01:12:21.930
they would make him more palatable.

01:12:21.930 --> 01:12:32.140
However this neofascist,
neocon component of Bolsonaro

01:12:32.230 --> 01:12:37.380
lacks the chip of tolerance and moderation.

01:12:43.450 --> 01:12:45.460
And what about the pink flag?

01:12:45.460 --> 01:12:48.450
That’s to represent
that I’m a woman.

01:12:48.450 --> 01:12:51.470
I’m a girl.
I’m not a feminist.

01:12:51.470 --> 01:12:53.500
And I vote for Bolsonaro because
I believe everything he says.

01:12:53.500 --> 01:12:56.520
I believe in his project, his ideology

01:12:56.520 --> 01:13:03.600
The interesting and ironic thing
is that Bolsonaro targeted Globo.

01:13:04.370 --> 01:13:10.400
He targeted the newspaper
Folha. He turned the question

01:13:10.400 --> 01:13:15.700
of the traditional press

01:13:15.710 --> 01:13:21.390
into a certain type of competition,
mirroring Trump,

01:13:21.400 --> 01:13:27.430
who thought that he could get
by without the traditional press.

01:13:29.420 --> 01:13:36.490
Fox News in the case of Trump,
TV Record in our case

01:13:36.490 --> 01:13:42.630
but relying mostly on social media
in order to carry out attacks.

01:13:42.630 --> 01:13:46.640
I think that the media was surprised.

01:13:46.640 --> 01:13:51.540
Not that they didn’t know him.

01:13:51.540 --> 01:13:56.630
The surprise is connected
to wanting to tame him,

01:13:56.630 --> 01:14:03.730
without realising that his oxygen
is generated this world vision.

01:14:03.830 --> 01:14:06.560
“1 2 3 4 5 1000, we want Bolsonaro

01:14:06.560 --> 01:14:09.600
to become the Brazilian president.”

01:14:12.440 --> 01:14:15.470
Globo took part
in the coup thinking

01:14:15.470 --> 01:14:18.460
the PSDB would return to power.

01:14:18.460 --> 01:14:21.670
Globo did not expect
that a third force

01:14:21.670 --> 01:14:25.620
would surface and win the elections.

01:14:25.620 --> 01:14:29.670
Which is fascism. And
the foundation of fascism

01:14:29.670 --> 01:14:33.520
are the religious fundamentalist,
neopentecostal churches,

01:14:33.960 --> 01:14:42.270
the criminal organisations, the militias,
that control territory,

01:14:42.470 --> 01:14:48.520
and the lower clergy of politics.
Parochial politicians.

01:14:48.520 --> 01:14:52.670
Those people who are in politics solely
with the purpose of getting rich.

01:14:52.670 --> 01:14:57.550
Those who are not concerned
about public policies.

01:14:57.550 --> 01:15:01.540
And alongside all of this

01:15:01.540 --> 01:15:05.680
what Umberto Eco calls
“eternal fascism”,

01:15:05.680 --> 01:15:10.560
those people nostalgic
of the military dictatorship,

01:15:10.560 --> 01:15:14.630
of the time when gays,

01:15:14.630 --> 01:15:20.580
women and blacks knew
where they belong.

01:15:20.580 --> 01:15:26.520
Those people nostalgic
of The Masters and the Slaves.

01:15:26.520 --> 01:15:29.650
Those people kept this structure

01:15:29.650 --> 01:15:34.660
even in the social elevator,
and in the maid’s chamber

01:15:35.610 --> 01:15:39.750
Globo disregarded this cauldron,

01:15:39.750 --> 01:15:44.700
It was these people, the far-right,
that rose and took control.

01:15:45.640 --> 01:15:48.390
Globo was the protagonist,
but Globo made a mistake

01:15:48.430 --> 01:15:50.690
They exaggerated!

01:15:50.690 --> 01:15:56.900
They stimulated the
demonisation of politics,

01:15:56.940 --> 01:16:01.740
the vilification of all public things.

01:16:02.290 --> 01:16:06.660
And that’s dangerous because that
can turn against journalism.

01:16:06.660 --> 01:16:11.760
And it turned against certain
things that Globo does.

01:16:11.760 --> 01:16:13.770
If you look at Globo’s coverage

01:16:13.780 --> 01:16:16.170
it’s entirely partisan and politicised.

01:16:16.170 --> 01:16:19.220
Globo is a political party
in its journalistic coverage.

01:16:19.220 --> 01:16:23.590
Brazilian media is teeming with lies.

01:16:23.590 --> 01:16:27.580
During the 1964 coup,

01:16:27.580 --> 01:16:32.590
the Brazilian media invented
the fear of communism.

01:16:32.590 --> 01:16:34.700
“they are going to
implement communism!”.

01:16:34.700 --> 01:16:37.680
When João Goulart had nothing
to do with communism,

01:16:37.680 --> 01:16:40.740
it was just a progressive
government. The Brazilian media

01:16:40.740 --> 01:16:44.660
encouraged the March with God,
for the Family, for the Property.

01:16:44.670 --> 01:16:49.690
Same thing as now. In the March of
the Family with God placards said:

01:16:49.690 --> 01:16:52.780
“Go to Cuba!”
“In defence of the family!”

01:16:52.780 --> 01:16:56.690
The very same thing as now.

01:16:56.690 --> 01:16:59.730
It inflamed society with lies,
it poisoned society,

01:16:59.730 --> 01:17:02.610
it contaminated society

01:17:02.760 --> 01:17:06.710
and it contaminated this
selfish segment of society.

01:17:08.650 --> 01:17:11.730
“Who knows whether in addition
to me watching television,

01:17:11.730 --> 01:17:14.690
the television isn\'t
also watching me?”

01:17:14.700 --> 01:17:17.850
“Turn it off, Ubaldo,
turn it off!”

01:17:17.850 --> 01:17:21.650
”Blim Blim!!!”
[Globo’s vignette]

01:17:21.650 --> 01:17:26.640
”I was joking,
I was just joking, master!”

01:17:26.680 --> 01:17:29.770
All the news are
anti-Workers’ Party.

01:17:29.770 --> 01:17:33.640
Nowadays in Brazil anti-petismo
is like antisemitism.

01:17:33.640 --> 01:17:37.800
The hate towards the PT is so big
that when I joined the party

01:17:37.800 --> 01:17:42.680
my friends got very scared and said:
“Marcia, you shouldn’t do that,

01:17:42.680 --> 01:17:46.820
you will become a target of hate.”
Being antifascist, female and

01:17:46.820 --> 01:17:49.770
now a member of the Worker\'s
Party, I experience a lot of hate.

01:17:49.770 --> 01:17:55.740
“Dilma, it’s a pity they didn’t
hang you when they tortured you”

01:18:06.720 --> 01:18:14.730
We have two traditions. Two
extremely coupmongering traditions.

01:18:14.740 --> 01:18:18.490
Slavery thinks that the social
question that must be resolved

01:18:18.760 --> 01:18:23.800
through violence and repression.
And the dictatorship thought that

01:18:23.810 --> 01:18:28.710
in order to achieve development
there should be no democracy.

01:18:28.710 --> 01:18:33.930
This process is the mother and
the father of all the coups.

01:19:10.050 --> 01:19:12.090
Firstly, I think there was no dictatorship.

01:19:12.220 --> 01:19:14.240
We had a military regime.

01:19:14.250 --> 01:19:16.250
Secondly, he’s not going to do that.

01:19:16.270 --> 01:19:17.830
We live at different times,
a different mindset.

01:19:18.300 --> 01:19:20.930
A different generation. There’s
no room for a dictatorship.

01:19:20.930 --> 01:19:22.860
Not this military dictatorship,

01:19:22.860 --> 01:19:25.750
but instead this dictatorship
that the PT wants to implement.

01:19:55.780 --> 01:19:59.850
This is a run-for-your-lives moment.

01:19:59.850 --> 01:20:03.870
Poor people, activists, ecologists

01:20:03.880 --> 01:20:10.020
that are fighting for land reform
are being killed throughout Brazil.

01:20:10.020 --> 01:20:14.970
Marielle was killed and she was
a black female politician,

01:20:15.020 --> 01:20:21.820
a feminist fighting for the dearest
values of democracy.

01:20:21.950 --> 01:20:26.890
A great person who was
exterminated by a power game.

01:20:26.890 --> 01:20:29.820
No one knows who killed Marielle.

01:20:29.820 --> 01:20:31.960
But we know that capitalism, racism,

01:20:31.960 --> 01:20:36.040
sexism, homophobia, the owners
of power within the state of

01:20:36.040 --> 01:20:42.660
Rio de Janeiro and Brazil killed
her. The interventionists.

01:20:42.820 --> 01:20:45.860
Those who support a bloody
military intervention.

01:20:45.860 --> 01:20:47.850
And we’re all at risk.

01:20:47.850 --> 01:20:50.740
Doing politics nowadays
here is a real risk.

01:20:50.850 --> 01:20:54.930
I think it’s something else.

01:20:54.930 --> 01:20:59.920
A huge influence of
the American right in Brazil,

01:20:59.920 --> 01:21:13.000
which is very reactionary
towards two things:

01:21:13.000 --> 01:21:16.080
the state; it wants
a small state apparatus,

01:21:16.080 --> 01:21:19.920
plus it defends
by hook and by crook

01:21:19.920 --> 01:21:29.660
that certain values such as
multiculturalism and

01:21:29.670 --> 01:21:32.920
identity movements are destroying

01:21:32.920 --> 01:21:36.060
the Christian Western
civilisation and the family.

01:21:36.060 --> 01:21:41.950
This ideology isn’t
confined to Brazil.

01:21:55.050 --> 01:22:00.000
What we now call fake news, wasn’t
called fake news in the past.

01:22:00.000 --> 01:22:03.120
Already at that time fake news

01:22:03.120 --> 01:22:06.100
had the objective of altering
the perception of reality

01:22:06.100 --> 01:22:09.420
of making people change their
perception of reality and history.

01:22:09.420 --> 01:22:12.620
Fake news aim to establish
historical revisionism

01:22:12.660 --> 01:22:15.150
so that people look at certain people

01:22:15.150 --> 01:22:19.150
and certain groups
in a different away.

01:22:19.150 --> 01:22:22.950
It was through lies and fake news

01:22:22.950 --> 01:22:24.940
that Nazism made Germany

01:22:24.940 --> 01:22:27.870
blame Jews for the economic woes

01:22:27.930 --> 01:22:31.550
that they were experienced in the 30s,

01:22:31.550 --> 01:22:35.960
and saw the Jews as members
of a huge conspiration,

01:22:35.960 --> 01:22:39.880
and therefore they should fight
against the Jews

01:22:39.940 --> 01:22:42.060
Even more: the Jews should
be exterminated

01:22:42.560 --> 01:22:46.140
I was the victim of a montage.

01:22:49.080 --> 01:22:55.070
I was taking part in a talk
and I mentioned

01:22:55.070 --> 01:22:59.180
a verse from the Bible,
because I\'m evangelical

01:22:59.180 --> 01:23:02.970
“without the shedding of blood,

01:23:02.970 --> 01:23:05.140
there can be no
forgiveness of sins”.

01:23:05.140 --> 01:23:08.090
And what blood
was I referring to?

01:23:08.090 --> 01:23:11.030
I was talking about
the blood of the one

01:23:11.030 --> 01:23:14.160
who was crucified for
defending the people.

01:23:14.180 --> 01:23:18.130
Isn\'t that what we are living now?
So they took that and claimed:

01:23:18.130 --> 01:23:22.040
“she’s ordering
people to shed blood”.

01:23:22.110 --> 01:23:28.220
“FASCIST. Workers’ Party woman
in her authoritarian ire says

01:23:28.220 --> 01:23:38.060
that there will be no
redemption without bloodshed”

01:23:43.230 --> 01:23:47.060
If I support equal marriage,
same-sex marriage

01:23:47.060 --> 01:23:52.330
someone creates a piece of fake news
stating that I authored a bill,

01:23:53.320 --> 01:23:57.190
then they take the same number of
the gay marriage bill that I drafted

01:23:57.190 --> 01:24:01.020
They take the same bill, the same number

01:24:01.020 --> 01:24:01.030
and say that this bill aims to legalise
They take the same bill, the same number

01:24:01.030 --> 01:24:05.100
and say that this bill aims to legalise

01:24:05.100 --> 01:24:11.040
the marriage between humans and animals.

01:24:11.250 --> 01:24:17.210
This piece of fake news
has two functions.

01:24:17.210 --> 01:24:22.250
In addition to equalling
gay marriage

01:24:22.250 --> 01:24:24.260
to the marriage
between humans and animals

01:24:24.270 --> 01:24:27.240
and animals, it also aims
to prevent this topic from

01:24:27.240 --> 01:24:30.760
moving forward, turning
me into a pariah.

01:24:41.260 --> 01:24:45.190
The other one were the fake
news that if the PT got elected,

01:24:45.190 --> 01:24:48.280
they would distribute a baby bottle
in nurseries, which became

01:24:48.280 --> 01:24:52.160
known as the willy bottle,

01:24:52.160 --> 01:24:56.190
a baby bottle with
a penis-shaped teat.

01:24:57.090 --> 01:25:00.260
Look here, you who vote for the PT,

01:25:00.260 --> 01:25:04.300
this is the baby bottle
distributed in the nurseries.

01:25:04.310 --> 01:25:09.310
Look at the brand here. Distributed
in the nurseries. To your child,

01:25:09.310 --> 01:25:19.270
with the excuse of fighting
homophobia. Look at the teat.

01:25:20.270 --> 01:25:23.140
That’s what PT and Haddad preach

01:25:23.140 --> 01:25:26.170
to your child aged five or six

01:25:26.170 --> 01:25:28.340
is going to drink from
this bottle at the nursery.

01:25:28.340 --> 01:25:31.250
In order to fight homophobia.

01:25:31.250 --> 01:25:33.330
You have to vote for Bolsonaro,

01:25:33.330 --> 01:25:37.180
He’s going to make
our children male and female.

01:25:37.180 --> 01:25:42.310
PT, Haddad, Lula and Dilma only
want this for our children.

01:25:43.200 --> 01:25:44.310
I’m going to be very honest.

01:25:44.320 --> 01:25:48.180
From the point-of-view
of the programme, the content,

01:25:48.180 --> 01:25:50.200
Globo has advanced a
lot in the past few years.

01:25:50.200 --> 01:25:54.150
Globo, for example,
has Fernanda Lima,

01:25:54.160 --> 01:25:59.290
it’s on at 23:00,
but it presents transsexuals,

01:25:59.290 --> 01:26:02.250
that\'s where Pabblo Vittar
was catapulted to fame

01:26:02.250 --> 01:26:06.060
on Fernanda Lima’s
show Amor e Sexo.

01:26:06.060 --> 01:26:09.360
Fatima Bernardes’s show in the
morning, at least once a week,

01:26:09.360 --> 01:26:14.300
discusses the topic of blackness.
Bloggers, Djamila

01:26:14.310 --> 01:26:17.230
all these people have
already been on her show.

01:26:17.230 --> 01:26:20.260
In 2017, they created
a campaign called “Respect”.

01:26:20.260 --> 01:26:24.260
They had a lot of people talking,
such as Lazaro Ramos.

01:26:24.270 --> 01:26:28.280
They have made advances
in the inclusion perspective

01:26:28.280 --> 01:26:32.380
plus behaviour and lifestyle.

01:26:33.470 --> 01:26:38.220
Globo is liberal in fields
of arts and lifestyle.

01:26:38.220 --> 01:26:42.300
It wasn’t in the 1970s
due to a contingency

01:26:42.300 --> 01:26:47.430
at the time, but now they are
liberal, they are very sympathetic

01:26:48.190 --> 01:26:52.200
towards Brazilian culture.
I can’t deny it.

01:26:52.310 --> 01:26:58.290
In terms of behaviour,
Globo has always been “cool”,

01:26:58.290 --> 01:27:03.370
to put it in simple terms.
It impacted on behaviour.

01:27:03.370 --> 01:27:08.310
It even impacted on legislation.
The right to divorce was achieved

01:27:08.310 --> 01:27:11.270
with the support of
the Malu Mulher series,

01:27:11.270 --> 01:27:13.280
in which the character
was estranged and wanted a divorce.

01:27:13.280 --> 01:27:17.440
There was a law that acquitted men

01:27:17.440 --> 01:27:22.330
who carried out honour killings

01:27:22.330 --> 01:27:28.350
of women who supposedly
cheated on them

01:27:28.350 --> 01:27:33.410
And that law was modified

01:27:33.410 --> 01:27:38.460
because of a Globo series called
Those Who Love Don’t Kill.

01:27:38.460 --> 01:27:47.360
At the time, we didn’t call it
feminicide, but that’s what it was.

01:27:47.550 --> 01:27:52.300
There are two Globos.

01:27:52.300 --> 01:27:59.360
The journalistic one,
that controls and manipulates

01:27:59.360 --> 01:28:07.360
the heads of people,
and the decisions they make.

01:28:07.360 --> 01:28:11.380
And the entertainment one,
that does a lot of good,

01:28:11.380 --> 01:28:15.340
such as the series.
The quality is astounding.

01:28:15.880 --> 01:28:18.800
There is a big difference
between the newspaper\'s

01:28:18.800 --> 01:28:22.500
culture segment and the economic
segment, dealing with politics

01:28:22.530 --> 01:28:25.360
An artist is often praised
in culture segment

01:28:25.360 --> 01:28:28.390
and slammed in the economic one.

01:28:28.390 --> 01:28:33.480
Because they spoke up in defence
of Lula, Dilma, the Workers’ Party,

01:28:33.480 --> 01:28:37.470
He is crucified on
the first pages of the paper

01:28:38.400 --> 01:28:41.310
How is Globo going to produce
teledramas that are able

01:28:41.310 --> 01:28:46.170
to compete with Netflix
and HBO if it yields

01:28:46.310 --> 01:28:51.360
to the moral pressures
of the far-right?

01:28:51.360 --> 01:28:55.490
It won’t generate
competitive content.

01:28:55.490 --> 01:28:59.450
It would have to tailor
content for these people.

01:29:00.320 --> 01:29:04.510
And Globo is not going to do it.
Because it wants to compete.

01:29:05.510 --> 01:29:16.410
Through this phenomenon of allowing
the growth of the far-right,

01:29:16.410 --> 01:29:19.390
And nowadays we get
the old Spanish proverb

01:29:19.390 --> 01:29:23.530
“raise ravens and they will
pluck out your eyes”.

01:29:23.530 --> 01:29:27.470
And today we have Globo as
virtually an opposition party.

01:29:32.410 --> 01:29:35.400
I’m going to tell you
about the other side:

01:29:35.400 --> 01:29:38.400
TV Record.
Record works with the

01:29:38.510 --> 01:29:43.480
criminalisation of black and
suburban people every day.

01:29:43.480 --> 01:29:46.460
Where?
In the so-called \"police\" shows.

01:29:46.460 --> 01:29:51.470
Those are TV shows with
a presenter, a street crew

01:29:51.470 --> 01:29:54.430
that have special access
to the police station,

01:29:54.440 --> 01:29:58.400
and the state’s public
security system.

01:29:58.400 --> 01:30:00.510
They go there and
they put the camera

01:30:00.510 --> 01:30:03.470
on the face of suspects,
many of whom have just been arrested,

01:30:03.480 --> 01:30:10.590
and haven’t even been charged
for the alleged crime.

01:30:10.590 --> 01:30:14.590
They put the camera
on their faces and disseminate

01:30:14.600 --> 01:30:18.590
the discourse:
“a good thief is a dead thief”

01:30:18.590 --> 01:30:20.630
These shows have grown
at an alarming rate

01:30:20.630 --> 01:30:23.460
in Brazil in the last decade.

01:30:23.910 --> 01:30:31.470
Record plays a very bad role.
Just to give you an idea

01:30:31.510 --> 01:30:35.630
Record instructed all of its staff
not to create any reports

01:30:35.630 --> 01:30:38.650
that are unfavourable towards Bolsonaro.

01:30:38.650 --> 01:30:45.470
It instructed all of its staff
to erode Haddad’s candidacy.

01:30:45.470 --> 01:30:49.610
No single report should say
anything bad about Bolsonaro.

01:30:49.610 --> 01:30:52.510
That’s an instruction.
Record is completely

01:30:52.510 --> 01:30:55.480
involved with the Bolsonaro project.

01:30:55.480 --> 01:31:00.470
So much that someone
denounced a meeting

01:31:00.470 --> 01:31:04.550
between Edir Macedo\'s team
and Bolsonaro’s associates

01:31:04.550 --> 01:31:07.520
The objective was to turn

01:31:07.520 --> 01:31:11.580
Record into Bolsonaro’s Fox,
mirroring Trump in the US

01:31:11.580 --> 01:31:14.600
with Murdoch’s Fox.

01:31:14.610 --> 01:31:18.620
Record is extremely wicked.
Record is business-minded

01:31:18.620 --> 01:31:23.640
I regret the role
that Record currently has.

01:31:24.070 --> 01:31:29.560
The Universal Church has a very
strong penetration in the suburbs.

01:31:29.560 --> 01:31:33.680
And it started leveraging
all of its might.

01:31:33.690 --> 01:31:38.490
It has a religious power,
which is its origin,

01:31:38.490 --> 01:31:42.500
a fundamentalist and a political
power, which manifests itself

01:31:42.500 --> 01:31:45.590
through its parliamentary arm,

01:31:45.590 --> 01:31:47.660
its political party is called PRB,
and it also manifests itself

01:31:47.670 --> 01:31:49.910
through a media apparatus.

01:31:49.920 --> 01:31:53.200
An apparatus in the battle for
hegemony, and that’s TV Record.

01:32:30.630 --> 01:32:33.720
The Brazilian concessions

01:32:33.720 --> 01:32:35.710
for sure need to be reassessed.

01:32:36.680 --> 01:32:40.650
The radio and television
concessions,

01:32:40.650 --> 01:32:44.610
the so-called radiodiffusion,
are public concessions.

01:32:44.620 --> 01:32:49.700
What does this mean?

01:32:49.700 --> 01:32:54.570
This means that there are
electromagnetic waves belonging to us,

01:32:54.570 --> 01:32:57.760
and these waves are divided,
allocated and given out

01:32:57.760 --> 01:33:01.590
in the shape of concessions

01:33:01.590 --> 01:33:05.530
during a established period,
so that commercial organisations

01:33:05.530 --> 01:33:07.710
use these waves in order

01:33:07.710 --> 01:33:12.580
to distribute the product
of communication.

01:33:47.680 --> 01:33:53.640
There are certain things
that are very clear to me.

01:33:53.640 --> 01:33:57.610
The first one of them
is that we must dismember Globo

01:33:57.610 --> 01:34:00.760
“To dismember” in a good way!

01:34:00.760 --> 01:34:03.740
To divide it.

01:34:03.750 --> 01:34:06.850
They can\'t control a magazine,
a newspaper, a television,

01:34:06.850 --> 01:34:09.830
a radio channel, a news agency.

01:34:09.830 --> 01:34:13.770
All under control control of one
single proprietor

01:34:13.770 --> 01:34:16.870
That has to be done for sure.

01:34:16.870 --> 01:34:20.770
That’s called the democratisation
of the media vehicles.

01:34:20.770 --> 01:34:23.690
Because the electromagnetic
spectrum

01:34:23.690 --> 01:34:26.340
belongs to the Brazilian people.

01:34:26.340 --> 01:34:28.870
It does not belong
to Mr Marinho, Mr Saad,

01:34:28.870 --> 01:34:35.860
Mr Civitas, Mr Frias,
Mr Abravanel Silvio Santos.

01:34:37.820 --> 01:34:41.700
Dilma herself started the debate
about media regulation

01:34:41.700 --> 01:34:44.780
in 2014, in the second
round of the elections.

01:34:44.780 --> 01:34:46.710
Dilma says: “I’m going
to economically regulate

01:34:46.710 --> 01:34:48.860
the media vehicles in Brazil”

01:34:50.780 --> 01:34:59.700
When our party comes to power
we’ll change this system

01:34:59.790 --> 01:35:02.820
From the very first day...

01:35:02.830 --> 01:35:07.720
we will take measures to
break this monopoly.

01:35:07.850 --> 01:35:10.770
I don’t think that’s
the way forward.

01:35:10.770 --> 01:35:12.930
That’s just a politician ranting
just before elections,

01:35:13.390 --> 01:35:16.410
I hope my old friend
Brizola will forgive me.

01:35:16.410 --> 01:35:18.820
You must establish
the variety of communication.

01:35:19.010 --> 01:35:25.120
To diminish the influence of a TV
that controls the entire country.

01:35:25.310 --> 01:35:30.230
Variety establishes democracy,
not suppression

01:36:46.990 --> 01:36:49.830
For example, I made
a very serious mistake.

01:36:49.830 --> 01:36:51.930
I could have regulated
the media vehicles.

01:36:51.930 --> 01:36:54.860
We prepared it in June 2010

01:36:54.860 --> 01:36:57.010
the regulation of the media vehicles.

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Instead of submitting
it for Congress’s approval,

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because there were
impending elections,

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I thought “I’m going to leave it
for the new government”.

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I don’t know why Dilma never
moved forward with it.

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That’s my self-criticism.