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I have a suggestion.

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Tell me.

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-Let\'s put everything there as it is…
-And then…

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-And then we decide.
-We spread them out.

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-If we take everything out…
-I want this one.

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But I don\'t want to pile things up here.

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-We can take them later, okay?
-Oh, as you wish.

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I kept these clothes.

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I used to wear this
before they imprisoned me

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because my belly was still small.

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It was so hot there

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and I was wearing these clothes
when they arrested me,

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so I had to tear them.

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It was so hot.

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All I could do was to tear them.

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I still have the dress,
I don\'t know what I could do with it.

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I have to turn it
into something useful, right?

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And this is one of the first dresses
my grandmother brought me

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so I could change out of those clothes.

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I wore those clothes for nine days.

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I couldn\'t shower, they didn\'t let me.

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It was terrible.

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Wow, this is so beautiful.

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HOUSELEEKS

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ROSEMARY

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It smells…

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delicious.

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You can smell the rosemary from here.

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Yes.

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It is really something.

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And a rosemary tea is a delight.

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Rosemary tea?

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Yes, tea.

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And in food too.

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Rosemary has many uses.

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I noticed you keep rosemary
in several places.

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All around the house.

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I do.

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I\'m adopting it

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because they say
it\'s good for your memory.

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It has chemical components
that activate your memory.

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So I\'ve been experimenting
with it recently.

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I keep some near my bed,
in my bedroom, in the living room.

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I was thinking of that time
you made me try guinea henweed oil.

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Right.

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Yes.

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It\'s great.

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I had this sudden, awful pain in my side,

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and I applied just a bit of it.

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-Yes.
-It was immediate.

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It\'s really amazing.

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It\'s a very powerful anti-inflammatory.

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I experienced it first-hand

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and later I found out
there were many studies on it.

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I didn\'t read more about it
but knowing that put me at ease.

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I needed this miracle
to be studied and known.

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I keep using its roots.

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It soothes me.

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I wouldn\'t say I\'m cured
but it soothes my pain a lot.

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My fingers were already getting deformed

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and they\'re back to normal again.

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These knots here were enourmous,
completely swollen.

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My hands,

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my neck, everything.

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This is my treatment,

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along with vitamins.

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But I don\'t take
anti-inflammatory pills anymore,

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unless something in particular comes up.

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But as for my conditions,

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I\'ve been treating myself
with these roots for three years or so.

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A long time ago you told me
your feet usually hurt a lot.

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Yes.

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I went to the orthopedic surgeon\'s once
and he ran an x-ray.

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He told me that everything was alright

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but probably something was dislocated.

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Then I remembered.

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They hit me on my feet so many times.

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So that\'s what happened, probably.

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Something got dislocated

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and I never got any treatment for it.

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But I treat myself permanently now,

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and I could say I\'m better now.

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Little by little, now that I think of it.

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It\'s not as it was before.

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It was as if I had an egg under my foot

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and I had to step very carefully
so as not to hurt myself.

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It was horrible.

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The former residence of dictator
Alfredo Stroessner is in the news today

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because human remains were found
there this afternoon,

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which really caught people\'s attention.

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It has already made its way
to social media.

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These are three skulls we\'re seeing here.

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This is truly frightening.

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In this very site
we had previously found parts of the hip.

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Had you reported this before?

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We had, and no one every came.
This is the first time someone has come.

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The dictatorship in Paraguay was
the longest in South American history,

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going from 1954 to 1989.

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Unfortunately,
its effects still linger to this day.

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I have this picture of Derlis.

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It wasn\'t easy.

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I don\'t have many pictures of him

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because you don\'t get your picture taken
when you\'re living underground.

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So much so that
there is our wedding picture,

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and after that, to be honest,

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I think there aren\'t
any more pictures of him.

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Her sister gave me this one.

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He had it taken at a stream in Piribebuy,

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his hometown.

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It\'s such a beautiful picture.

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He looks beautiful.

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You never hope for the worst.

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And that\'s what happened,

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according to what people said.

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When they got me,

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I hoped in my heart
they didn\'t have him.

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I hadn\'t heard anything about it.

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And when they transferred me,
I learnt they had him

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but we didn\'t know where he was.

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So you hold on to that hope.

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You ask everybody
to find out where they have him.

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You even ask the police.

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You don\'t know.

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But later, in Emboscada,

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as I was asking my comrades
if they had seen Derlis,

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one of them, Prudencio Bogarín,

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who was terribly tortured,

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told me that I had to be strong,

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and told me the truth.

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He…

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He was the one
who was brave enough to tell me,

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because the others didn\'t know
how to tell me.

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What can I say?

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The food is over there.

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It\'s over there, look.

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EMBOSCADA AND POLITICAL IMPRISONMENT:
40 YEARS

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Alright, Celsa.
Let\'s drink some tereré.

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-We\'ll drink in a minute.
-I\'ll pour the yerba mate.

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Okay.

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Let\'s take the table

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so we can sit and drink in peace

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and see the plants.

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They\'re blooming nicely.

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Because I think
we\'re not going to eat here.

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Take it easy, mum.
We\'ll eat after tereré.

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It\'s probably 1 p.m. already

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and I don\'t hear nor smell anything yet.

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Don\'t worry.

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As Cecilia would say,
we must drink spikesedge,

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-We must drink…
-Lemon verbena.

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Lemon verbena.

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We must drink… what\'s the other one?

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Spikesedge, lemon verbena…
what\'s the other one?

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I don\'t remember, they were three.
Right, wax begonia.

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Wax begonia.

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We must drink tereré with wax begonia.

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Do you remember Little Victor?

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He was three years old…

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No, a year and three months old
the first time he came.

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Yes.

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He used to play so much.

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His favorite toy was a soda bottle.

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He would crawl after it all the time.
It was his only toy.

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That\'s right.

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He was always barefoot.

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-He wanted to be barefoot all the time.
-Cecilia too.

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He insisted on being barefoot
until he was four.

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He didn\'t want to put on shoes.

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-And Cecilia…
-Half a piece of ice, right?

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Yes.

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Cecilia was the same way.

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She didn\'t like to wear
anything on her feet.

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I told them my mother was someone else.

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If they had known she was my mother,
they would\'ve never transferred me there.

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When I got there,

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when they took me
on a truck and dropped me there,

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in the yard
of Fernando de la Mora Police Station,

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I just sat there looking around.

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I didn\'t know the place well either.

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So I looked around to see
if it was indeed Fernando de la Mora City,

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because they put you
on a truck with no windows.

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You can\'t see where you\'re going,
what street you\'re on, nothing.

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You don\'t see anything
until they open the door.

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I stared around, hoping to see my mum.

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Some women came and looked at me.

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I sat inside the vehicle
until they told me to get off.

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Then, I finally saw my mum.

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But I didn\'t want to step outside,

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I didn\'t want to let them know anything.

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Welcoming a new detainee is different
than welcoming a family member.

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When you welcome a detainee,

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you tell her to be strong,
you make her feel at home.

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-But when you welcome your daughter…
-It\'s hard.

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It\'s hard when it\'s your daughter.

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So I tried to stay inside,

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so I could meet her inside,

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in the cell.

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And so we did.

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Yes, I got off the truck
and I saw an aunt of mine.

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Aunt Tina.

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I knew her,
I didn\'t know the other comrades.

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I knew my mum was with her
and I felt so much joy.

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I felt joy.

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Just being out
of the Crime and Surveillance section,

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being anywhere was huge for me.

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That place was terrible.

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You would hear people being tortured.

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We lived there in the worst conditions,
as if we were rats, basically.

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So I got off the truck

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and the women came to say hello,
Aunt Tina…

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All of them.

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Idalina, Oilda…

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-It was just the four of us.
-No.

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-Elvira was there.
-No, Elvira wasn\'t there.

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-Gladys Mancuello was there.
-Right.

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-Magdalena.
-Yes.

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-Was Mrs. Gilberta there too?
-No.

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-Gloria Estragó?
-She wasn\'t there yet… or was she?

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-Yes, she was there.
-Right, Gloria Estragó.

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This comrade was there…

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Máxima de Rotela… Maximina.

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-Máxima.
-Máxima de Rotela.

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Mrs. Juana de Soler.

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-Well, I felt so lucky to have company…
-And Eulalia… what was her last name?

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She got cancer too.

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-Vargas.
-No.

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There was a Korean woman,

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and there was a lady
from the Colorado Party,

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they had put her in prison
just to steal her car.

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It was a Mercedes Benz.

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So I was there and I was due in a month.

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it was March
and Derlis Jr. was born in April.

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Well, we were finally together.
I couldn\'t believe it.

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I hadn\'t seen my mum in eight years.

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I knew how she was
thanks to my grandmother,

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but I hadn\'t seen her.

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When we finally reunited,
we cried so much.

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We all cried,
all the women who knew me cried with us.

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They were tears of relief
because we were together.

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In that moment, it was a mix of joy

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and sadness at the same time,

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because she was pregnant,
detained and under torture.

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They had told me
she was being tortured.

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I couldn\'t sleep.
I would go to bed and I wouldn\'t sleep,

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because I was afraid
she would lose the baby.

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Regarding the protests
over the handling of the pandemic,

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the Interior Minister said
during a conference:

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Paraguayans are calm, but not docile.

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They are good, but not stupid.

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Those who refuse to align themselves
with peaceful coexistence

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will be firmly faced by the police,

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who will drag them
to the Prosecutor\'s Office.

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This is why we ask the public
to follow the news,

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the official news bulletins.

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Let\'s believe in institutions.

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These grade A assholes must be
punished with moral censorship.

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We will find how to enforce the law

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so that they can be put
where they should be,

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in a dungeon.

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Put them farther apart
so you\'ll have enough space.

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Cell One, Cell Two,
Cell Three and Cell Four.

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Twelve is here, it\'s the last one.

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Five.

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Six.

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Seven.

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Eight.

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Nine.

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Ten.

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And the men were here.

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-The men were there.
-Yes.

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-There were men on the women\'s wing.
-Yes.

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Sixteen.

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Seventeen.

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Eighteen.

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These were together.

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It was one big cell.

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Nineteen.

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Twenty.

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Forty years have passed
and we won\'t forget it.

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Do you remember who was next?

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That\'s all I remember, you go on.

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There was an occupation around here,

00:32:21.839 --> 00:32:25.172
so I went there with my harp to play.

00:32:25.262 --> 00:32:31.302
Yes, but that wasn\'t official.

00:32:31.391 --> 00:32:36.016
Our official festival took place here.

00:32:37.951 --> 00:32:41.521
-The performance was there.
-I don\'t remember that stage.

00:32:42.010 --> 00:32:46.259
-Yes, there was another stage.
-We did our play here.

00:32:46.332 --> 00:32:48.252
-No.
-Our theater play.

00:32:49.110 --> 00:32:50.933
We did it here under the guapo\'y tree.

00:32:51.018 --> 00:32:54.259
-Yes, but the guapo\'y was huge.
-Yes.

00:32:54.284 --> 00:32:56.865
The stage was here.

00:32:57.088 --> 00:33:00.580
-Here too.
-We did the festivals too.

00:33:00.605 --> 00:33:03.930
We didn\'t do the festivals here.
We did them over there.

00:33:03.955 --> 00:33:07.087
-Here we did the handcrafts.
-Mum.

00:33:07.119 --> 00:33:12.906
-Carpentry… all the handcrafts.
-Well, we start to disagree there.

00:33:12.931 --> 00:33:14.927
We did the festivals in both places.

00:33:21.335 --> 00:33:23.866
RANCH

00:33:23.891 --> 00:33:25.703
The ranch.

00:33:31.075 --> 00:33:32.973
This is the guapo\'y tree.

00:35:56.852 --> 00:35:58.789
Antonio Peche.

00:36:01.968 --> 00:36:03.354
Eligio.

00:36:13.990 --> 00:36:15.330
Ángel.

00:36:38.865 --> 00:36:40.521
Amazing.

00:36:41.177 --> 00:36:44.240
So amazing, such talents.

00:36:45.522 --> 00:36:47.653
I love it.

00:36:53.378 --> 00:36:56.565
We go on with our festival
here at Emboscada.

00:36:56.659 --> 00:36:57.806
How are you, Celsa?

00:36:57.831 --> 00:37:02.455
Good, I will try
to accompany these guitarists here.

00:37:02.480 --> 00:37:05.233
-How is that spirit?
-The spirit is always good.

00:37:05.258 --> 00:37:09.118
-And the harp?
-We\'re going to see how we perform.

00:37:09.143 --> 00:37:10.573
Let\'s listen to…

00:37:10.721 --> 00:37:12.353
\"Chemandu\'ávo.\"
(When I Remember)

00:37:13.103 --> 00:37:16.087
SINGING AT EMBOSCADA

00:37:17.634 --> 00:37:21.556
So wonderful, I can\'t believe it.

00:37:21.688 --> 00:37:23.141
The years gone by.

00:37:25.160 --> 00:37:26.519
Wow.

00:37:28.007 --> 00:37:29.810
It is in perfect state.

00:37:29.835 --> 00:37:31.465
Unbelievable.

00:37:32.022 --> 00:37:34.159
PARAGUAYAN MUSIC (EMBOSCADA)
DOCUMENTARY - 2ND STAGE

00:37:34.232 --> 00:37:36.154
I will listen to the complete thing later.

00:37:37.181 --> 00:37:39.017
Didn\'t you know you were being recorded?

00:37:39.042 --> 00:37:40.095
No.

00:37:40.632 --> 00:37:45.249
Such was Fernando\'s feat.

00:37:47.349 --> 00:37:49.201
While I was talking to Fernando,

00:37:49.226 --> 00:37:53.802
he had nothing
but words of love for his comrades,

00:37:53.827 --> 00:37:58.108
the guapo\'y tree
and all that happened there in the prison.

00:37:58.708 --> 00:37:59.716
Right.

00:37:59.741 --> 00:38:02.958
They cut down the guapo\'y tree

00:38:02.983 --> 00:38:06.834
in 2013.

00:38:08.120 --> 00:38:11.782
Shortly after they got President Lugo out

00:38:11.807 --> 00:38:13.706
with the coup d\'état,

00:38:14.220 --> 00:38:16.269
they cut down the guapo\'y tree.

00:38:16.720 --> 00:38:21.660
I had the opportunity to go there,
my mom was there too.

00:38:22.093 --> 00:38:25.137
My mom was imprisoned for 10 years.

00:38:25.421 --> 00:38:27.936
So we went there together

00:38:27.961 --> 00:38:31.051
along with other comrades, Derlis Jr. too,

00:38:31.672 --> 00:38:35.926
and the guapo\'y tree wasn\'t there.

00:38:37.440 --> 00:38:40.089
When I asked about it,

00:38:40.121 --> 00:38:44.108
they said they had to build around it.

00:38:44.133 --> 00:38:47.906
They had many inmates,
they have common law prisoners there now.

00:38:47.943 --> 00:38:54.446
So they wanted to prevent
any escape attempts and so on.

00:38:54.513 --> 00:39:00.921
But what I really think is that
they wanted to cut down pieces of history.

00:39:00.982 --> 00:39:07.209
That guapo\'y tree symbolized
everything we shared there.

00:39:07.790 --> 00:39:10.725
We had festivals there.

00:39:10.860 --> 00:39:12.686
We made the food.

00:39:13.104 --> 00:39:18.239
We the inmates would make
the food ourselves in a big bin there.

00:39:19.112 --> 00:39:20.817
Breakfast, everything.

00:39:21.455 --> 00:39:26.438
We even cooked separately for the kids.

00:39:29.307 --> 00:39:32.963
We were especially careful
with their food.

00:39:34.365 --> 00:39:39.318
So I was very sad

00:39:39.342 --> 00:39:42.526
when I realised
the guapo\'y tree had disappeared.

00:39:42.776 --> 00:39:47.366
It was very symbolic
for the Emboscada prison.

00:39:50.905 --> 00:39:56.604
I think the ultimate purpose
of imprisonment is

00:39:56.628 --> 00:40:00.495
to break the person\'s spirit,
their fortitude.

00:40:00.636 --> 00:40:03.707
It subjects you to unfathomable abuse.

00:40:04.611 --> 00:40:08.790
You could think:

00:40:08.846 --> 00:40:14.323
\"If I hadn\'t chosen this road,
none of this would be happening.\"

00:40:16.150 --> 00:40:19.432
But we do it out of firm convictions,

00:40:19.916 --> 00:40:23.830
and that gives you incredible strength.

00:40:24.275 --> 00:40:27.439
You learn to endure many things.

00:42:00.748 --> 00:42:03.318
Over forty years after
the end of the dictatorship,

00:42:03.343 --> 00:42:05.991
the President of Paraguay,
Mario Abdo Benítez,

00:42:06.024 --> 00:42:08.557
praised the administration
of General Stroessner.

00:42:08.594 --> 00:42:11.438
Let\'s keep in mind his ties to Stroessner,

00:42:11.463 --> 00:42:14.177
as the son
of the dictator\'s private secretary.

00:42:14.202 --> 00:42:18.119
I defend him a great deal,
I witnessed my father\'s work.

00:42:18.144 --> 00:42:21.367
He was very close to General Stroessner.

00:42:21.392 --> 00:42:24.992
I uphold his political work very much.

00:43:02.251 --> 00:43:04.290
-This was yours.
-I remember.

00:43:05.384 --> 00:43:06.650
-Do you remember?
-Yes.

00:43:08.244 --> 00:43:10.197
Oh, so you wore it until you were older.

00:43:10.222 --> 00:43:12.963
Well, this was made in Emboscada.

00:43:13.041 --> 00:43:15.369
I mean, in Fernando de la Mora.

00:43:16.236 --> 00:43:20.229
It had a D embroidered on it,
so I sewed in more fabric

00:43:20.254 --> 00:43:21.776
because a part mas missing.

00:43:21.894 --> 00:43:24.988
I took this fabric from a bedsheet

00:43:26.103 --> 00:43:32.001
and I sewed it into it
because it had a D on it.

00:43:32.263 --> 00:43:35.873
It was your… how do you call it?

00:43:35.898 --> 00:43:39.897
-Did I wear this for long?
-Yes. How do you call it?

00:43:39.922 --> 00:43:43.621
-Yes, it\'s familiar to me.
-Pillowcase, that\'s it.

00:43:43.823 --> 00:43:46.620
And look at all these little gifts.

00:43:46.752 --> 00:43:51.096
I don\'t have them all here
but I can show you some.

00:43:53.392 --> 00:43:55.782
Look, this was made by the comrades.

00:43:55.807 --> 00:43:57.087
You embroidered this.

00:43:57.112 --> 00:44:00.266
-No, this was already embroidered.
-Oh, it was already there.

00:44:00.291 --> 00:44:03.839
Yes, I just selected this part here
because it had a D on it.

00:44:03.864 --> 00:44:07.120
-Right, you completed it.
-Yes.

00:44:07.862 --> 00:44:10.377
This was made by the comrades.

00:44:13.406 --> 00:44:17.632
-Celsy.
-Yes, and they made this one for you.

00:44:19.203 --> 00:44:20.289
Wow.

00:44:21.070 --> 00:44:24.531
And there are others I haven\'t found yet.

00:44:24.556 --> 00:44:27.312
Is this a necklace or a bracelet?

00:44:27.337 --> 00:44:33.364
-You wear it as you wish.
-A necklace… but it won\'t fit me.

00:44:34.424 --> 00:44:37.627
-It won\'t anymore, you were a baby.
-So I did wear it.

00:44:38.360 --> 00:44:40.316
You did sometimes.

00:44:40.340 --> 00:44:42.883
Look at that, it\'s beautiful.

00:44:43.042 --> 00:44:47.081
DERLIS

00:44:48.391 --> 00:44:52.719
Mum made us listen to a record…
several records, actually.

00:44:53.321 --> 00:45:00.110
I learnt many things through music.

00:45:00.470 --> 00:45:03.587
But there was one record
that made an impression on me.

00:45:03.728 --> 00:45:04.994
I still remember it.

00:45:05.019 --> 00:45:11.743
It\'s an ideological, brutal account

00:45:11.991 --> 00:45:17.858
of what life as a revolutionary is like.

00:45:17.883 --> 00:45:22.864
It\'s a record
by Mexican artist Gabino Palomares,

00:45:22.967 --> 00:45:28.251
the author of \"La maldición de Malinche\",
one of his most famous songs.

00:45:28.421 --> 00:45:31.710
So I knew about…

00:45:34.375 --> 00:45:40.967
about workers\' rights
and fighting for them.

00:45:41.517 --> 00:45:46.845
I knew protesters were repressed.

00:45:46.870 --> 00:45:51.229
I had some basic knowledge.

00:45:52.310 --> 00:45:54.443
I think that was…

00:45:58.018 --> 00:46:02.580
I think that was the most important part
of the story for me.

00:46:02.605 --> 00:46:09.456
Realizing my father had been
an admirable person

00:46:09.481 --> 00:46:13.175
because he had been a fighter.

00:46:13.276 --> 00:46:18.214
Also, children see things in an epic way.

00:46:18.430 --> 00:46:20.305
The hero.

00:46:20.352 --> 00:46:23.406
It made sense in that way.

00:46:23.431 --> 00:46:25.285
I didn\'t…

00:46:28.810 --> 00:46:32.052
I didn\'t mourn him at all.

00:46:32.551 --> 00:46:35.887
I think that happened gradually.

00:46:37.055 --> 00:46:39.196
And until…

00:46:41.915 --> 00:46:46.922
Until recently,
I kept seeing it as a story,

00:46:46.993 --> 00:46:51.321
as something unconnected to me in a way,

00:46:52.320 --> 00:46:56.430
because I had no memories about it.

00:46:59.123 --> 00:47:01.752
When we came back here…

00:47:02.971 --> 00:47:06.456
We came back when I was eight years old.

00:47:06.652 --> 00:47:10.472
Some time later,
when I was thirteen or fourteen years old,

00:47:13.847 --> 00:47:18.332
I stumbled upon some things,
I saw some films.

00:47:18.357 --> 00:47:21.667
I remember Night of the Pencils, amazing.

00:47:21.800 --> 00:47:23.230
Tango Feroz.

00:47:23.620 --> 00:47:26.214
I read some books too.

00:47:26.490 --> 00:47:28.966
That was such emotional discharge.

00:47:29.019 --> 00:47:31.613
I finally made the connection.

00:47:31.832 --> 00:47:38.785
I made the connection between those events
and what had happened.

00:47:38.810 --> 00:47:41.802
Mario Benedetti wrote a very intense book,

00:47:41.974 --> 00:47:45.068
a drama called Pedro and the Captain.

00:47:46.456 --> 00:47:51.807
I remember being really shocked
after reading that book.

00:47:51.932 --> 00:47:55.964
I finished it at night, I was alone.
We were in the city of Itá.

00:47:56.479 --> 00:47:59.671
I ran towards my mum and I hugged her.

00:50:28.575 --> 00:50:29.575
What does it say?

00:50:29.600 --> 00:50:35.863
It\'s an invitation
to Derlis Jr.\'s birthday,

00:50:37.167 --> 00:50:39.784
when he turned one, there at Emboscada.

00:50:40.429 --> 00:50:45.367
Little Marcelo was there.
We invited all the children.

00:50:45.604 --> 00:50:50.616
I don\'t know why
we still have Little Marcelo\'s invitation.

00:50:50.640 --> 00:50:52.378
it\'s this one.

00:50:53.303 --> 00:50:55.303
It\'s very cute, it goes:

00:50:55.328 --> 00:50:58.925
“My dear friend Carlos Marcelo,
Emboscada, cell 17/18.”

00:50:58.950 --> 00:51:00.772
That was our cell.

00:51:01.498 --> 00:51:04.326
“I invite you to celebrate
my first birthday with me.

00:51:04.351 --> 00:51:05.866
21st April,

00:51:07.650 --> 00:51:12.158
2:30 p.m. under the Guapo\'y tree.

00:51:12.319 --> 00:51:14.491
Derlis Miguel”, I signed it.

00:51:26.446 --> 00:51:29.313
When I read about the children,

00:51:29.446 --> 00:51:32.696
the babies that were imprisoned,

00:51:33.499 --> 00:51:35.827
I couldn\'t help but feel terrified,

00:51:35.940 --> 00:51:42.081
and I was wondering
if you ever felt that too.

00:51:43.700 --> 00:51:47.505
Were you afraid that
something could happen to your son,

00:51:47.530 --> 00:51:51.463
or that they could take him away from you?

00:51:55.247 --> 00:51:56.466
Wow.

00:51:56.536 --> 00:51:58.162
Yes, I was afraid.

00:52:04.547 --> 00:52:12.050
Sometimes you read a story
and you imagine how it\'s like.

00:52:12.675 --> 00:52:14.800
When it\'s your own life,

00:52:15.972 --> 00:52:19.159
you give it your all to make it through.

00:52:20.457 --> 00:52:26.375
That probably helped me to…

00:52:27.048 --> 00:52:29.602
It didn\'t cross my mind.

00:52:36.608 --> 00:52:39.241
When they took me to the hospital,

00:52:41.000 --> 00:52:44.007
my biggest fear was that
they would switch my baby.

00:52:49.747 --> 00:52:52.051
I asked to see my son.

00:52:52.129 --> 00:52:53.552
He had just been born.

00:52:53.677 --> 00:52:55.513
They told me it was a boy.

00:52:56.814 --> 00:52:59.650
I told them I wanted to see him,

00:52:59.711 --> 00:53:03.731
but they didn\'t put him in my arms,
I could see him from afar.

00:53:03.914 --> 00:53:05.599
They laid him like this.

00:53:06.367 --> 00:53:07.547
I…

00:53:09.508 --> 00:53:15.160
I tried to look at him
so as not to miss any details of his face,

00:53:17.210 --> 00:53:21.264
because I was very afraid
that they would switch my baby.

00:53:23.073 --> 00:53:28.135
Then they took me out of the room
and into another one,

00:53:28.160 --> 00:53:29.917
and they closed the door.

00:53:32.752 --> 00:53:34.495
I asked them about my son.

00:53:34.596 --> 00:53:37.557
They said
they would bring him to me later.

00:53:38.617 --> 00:53:42.046
During all that time, I felt horrible,

00:53:42.343 --> 00:53:45.476
because I was afraid
they would switch him.

00:53:51.093 --> 00:53:54.968
Time passed
and they hadn\'t brought him to me.

00:53:55.057 --> 00:53:58.330
Then I started yelling,
asking them to bring him to me,

00:53:58.355 --> 00:54:01.112
because I could hear a baby crying.

00:54:01.344 --> 00:54:04.633
I yelled: \"My son is crying,
bring him to me.\"

00:54:05.180 --> 00:54:08.399
A woman came and told me
the baby that was crying wasn\'t my son.

00:54:09.962 --> 00:54:12.548
I didn\'t believe her, of course.

00:54:13.743 --> 00:54:15.540
Then I started banging on the door,

00:54:16.749 --> 00:54:18.053
and they told me:

00:54:18.115 --> 00:54:22.264
“If you keep banging on the door,
you are not going to see your son.”

00:54:23.214 --> 00:54:24.698
That was such a hard situation.

00:54:24.760 --> 00:54:26.933
“What do I do? Should I keep fighting

00:54:27.003 --> 00:54:29.386
and banging on the door or not?”

00:54:30.582 --> 00:54:32.410
It was terrible.

00:54:32.511 --> 00:54:35.777
I chose to stop banging on the door
just so I could see him again.

00:54:40.249 --> 00:54:42.608
Those were horrible moments.

00:54:43.246 --> 00:54:46.098
In the afternoon they came back
and they brought him,

00:54:50.329 --> 00:54:56.149
and… I saw Derlis.

00:54:57.758 --> 00:54:59.758
He was completely purple.

00:54:59.961 --> 00:55:01.258
So red and purple.

00:55:02.594 --> 00:55:03.875
I thought the worst.

00:55:04.142 --> 00:55:07.071
I thought that, as additional torture,

00:55:07.407 --> 00:55:10.007
they had brought him to me
so he would die in my arms.

00:55:11.388 --> 00:55:14.724
I could see him breathe
but he was still purple.

00:55:15.698 --> 00:55:17.940
So I took him in my arms

00:55:18.167 --> 00:55:21.193
and I asked them
what was wrong with my son,

00:55:22.060 --> 00:55:25.959
and one of the nurses told me
to bring him close to my breast.

00:55:27.161 --> 00:55:31.012
I did it and Derlis reacted immediately.

00:55:32.926 --> 00:55:33.965
You have no idea.

00:55:33.990 --> 00:55:39.106
All the fear and desperation
that I had felt disappeared.

00:59:48.202 --> 00:59:52.077
From Emboscada Concentration Camp,

00:59:52.979 --> 00:59:54.870
we are gathered

00:59:55.663 --> 01:00:01.616
around this recording device.

01:00:03.436 --> 01:00:09.530
We don\'t know for sure
if this will see the light of day.

01:00:09.897 --> 01:00:13.358
We\'ll try to find a way

01:00:13.882 --> 01:00:17.054
so it will reach the outside world.

01:03:46.950 --> 01:03:53.904
FOR MARÍA LINA RODAS, IN LOVING MEMORY
1929 - 2021