Is 'sustainable cities' an oxymoron or can they be made to work?
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Marta Suplicy is the new mayor of Sao Paolo, Brazil -- a breath of fresh air after years of municipal apathy and corruption. Her aim is to make Sao Paulo a sustainable 21st century global city.
This program, the first from the City Life series, follows Marta as she visits schools, hospitals, favelas, and a shelter for battered women, in her quest to turn the city around.
Interviewed in the program are Professors Peter Marcuse (Columbia University), Saskia Sassen (University of Chicago), Ed Glaeser (Harvard University), as well as Sheela Patel, director of SPARC (Society for Promotion of Area Resource Centers), and Anna Tibaijuka, the Executive Director of the United Nations Center for Human Settlements.
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Main credits
Bradshaw, Steve (Screenwriter)
Bradshaw, Steve (Director)
Gawin, Luke (Producer)
Other credits
Camera, Roni Robson da Costa, Daniel A. Rubio; music, The Posse, The Definitive Break; editors, Lee Sutton, Michael Peatfield.
Distributor subjects
Anthropology; At-risk Youth; Brazil; Citizenship; Community; Developing World; Economics; Geography; Global Issues; Globalization; Health; Human Rights; International Studies; Latin American Studies; Population; Social Justice; Sociology; Sustainable Development; Urban Studies; Urban and Regional Planning; Women's StudiesKeywords
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Dangers of the new global
economy are to split societies.
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It's a challenge, certainly,
to developing countries.
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But it's also a
great opportunity.
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It seems really appalling,
that this disparity
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seems to get greater at a time
when there is so much wealth
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in the world today.
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On the streets of Sao Paulo
they greet her like a film star,
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though the only dream she's
selling is of a better city.
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She's 55, a mother of three,
a professional psychoanalyst,
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and a 21st century mayor.
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My city has lived 10 years
of abandon, corruption,
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and I thought that I could help.
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I could be a fresh, new
thing there that could help,
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mainly the people
excluded from everything
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that we have in the city.
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Marta used to give advice
about sex on Brazilian TV,
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but she's also a politician.
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And last October, on
a wave of goodwill,
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she was elected mayor of
Sao Paulo, the world's
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fourth-largest city.
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Do you share the
nightmarish vision
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that many people have of
the great science fiction
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mega-city of the 21st century?
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We have that already.
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I don't have nightmares
on the future.
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I have nightmares
on the present,
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and the challenge is
exactly to change that.
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Sao Paulo-- the city Marta runs,
where over 10 million people
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live their own dreams
and nightmares.
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This summer Marta
and politicians
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from across the world will
meet to review progress
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since the United Nations
City Summit five years ago.
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Their theme and ours in
this series of life--
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how to run the cities of the
21st century, the cities where
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in the next 10 years, most
people on the planet will live.
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If you look at the last 400
years what has happened,
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we started with empires,
most in the 19th century.
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We came to the nation
states of the 20th century.
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And believe me, through
globalization now,
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we are entering-- this
is a century of cities.
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It is a trend which
cannot be stopped.
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It is an economic trend, and
it is just a matter of time.
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And all predictions
now show that people
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are marching on to cities, even
in the developing countries.
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And the challenge, therefore,
facing us in this century,
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is how to make
cities a better place
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for the majority of the people.
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There are winners and losers
in the globalized economy,
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and Sao Paulo is a winner.
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Its stock exchange brings in
capital from across the world.
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It has a big stake in
the knowledge economy.
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It's a city of the educated,
the professionals who
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work downtown.
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I like it very much.
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It's a very nice city.
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I find it's a very good
city to be living in,
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because you have everything
you want to do here.
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The city is wonderful.
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I like the culture of Sao Paulo.
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I like Sao Paulo.
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There's work here.
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This Sao Paulo could
be any great global
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metropolis-- London,
New York, Tokyo.
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And just like any world
city, prosperous new elites
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are remaking whole neighborhoods
in their own image.
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It's been called
the Glamour Zone.
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The urban Glamour Zone
has fine restaurants,
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state-of-the-art
office buildings,
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state-of-the-art residences.
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It has it all.
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Beautiful streets, private
security, world class culture.
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Outsiders can traverse it.
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It's a space that can be
consumed as an experience,
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as an afternoon's
event, et cetera.
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I would say the defining mark
is the ascendance of design.
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You have the design lab,
design food, design people.
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They go to the
health clubs there.
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They're in perfect shape.
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The Glamour Zone
is for a minority,
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but it is enormously important.
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It's about 20% in Sao Paulo,
in Bangkok, in Bombay.
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So it is very different
from the old rich,
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who've always had their
space in the city.
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This is the
high-profile Sao Paulo,
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that's prospering in
the global economy.
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Down on the streets,
though, easy
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to forget-- the more
lowly-paid workers making
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their own contribution to the
city's service industries.
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If you take the
financial industry,
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it's highly globalized.
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But it needs cleaners, it needs
all kinds of low-wage service
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workers, it needs
truckers to drop off
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the software, and
the toilet paper.
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They also need that.
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There is a whole set of
jobs-- types of workers, types
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of firms, that are part
of the globalized sectors
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in these cities, that
they don't look like it,
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they're not recognized as such,
they are not valued as such.
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Isn't there a danger
in the 21st century,
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that the elites of the
big cities of the world
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have more in common
with each other?
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The lawyer in New York
has more in common
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with the lawyer in
Sao Paulo and Paris
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than the lawyer in Sao Paulo
does with their own workers,
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the people who wash his car?
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That happens.
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I read it's already
happening for so many times.
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What can you do about that?
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The challenge is to change that.
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But there are others
who don't have
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any stake in the global
economy at all-- those
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who can't even find jobs as
clerks or cleaners, who've
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fallen on hard times,
or drifted into crime.
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Over half a million Paulistas
live in so-called beehives,
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only a few blocks from
the Glamour Zone--
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the crowded tenements
of the excluded.
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The most important
thing, I think,
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which makes people
excluded in cities
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is their sense of isolation
in the midst of all this.
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It's such a
contradiction that you're
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in the midst of
this huge mega-city.
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You're part of it, and yet
you're excluded from it.
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And I think that's the real
crisis today in all cities.
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Citizenship is not universal,
It's, like, we and they.
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And the poor are there,
and there's confusion
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about whether they're citizens.
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These are the people who live
where the railway doesn't
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work anymore, where
they seem like refugees
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in their own country.
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These are the slums people
drive past, or drive over
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on their way downtown.
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The worst of these mean
and murderous streets
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have been called the War Zone.
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An urban war zone,
for me, is a part
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of the city that
has been neglected
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in terms of investments, that
has been neglected in terms
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of basic public services,
such as garbage collection,
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renewing the pavement
on the streets,
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et cetera-- very
elementary things.
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It's a zone where you have a
sense of a surplus population.
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You have a sense of
who needs these people?
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And also a sense that they
have been robbed of something,
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so that they cannot even
invent their own project,
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as to why they are there.
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We're talking about
something very bad.
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Today Marta, the people's
mayor, has come to the War Zone.
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She wants to do something about
poverty-- the inequalities that
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go with globalization.
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But what most people
care about right now
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is, not so much social
justice, as basic services
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like the state of the streets.
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Difficulty with any mega-city
is the twin dilemmas
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of attempting to deal with
providing basic services,
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and attempting to deal with the
massive amount of poverty that
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plagues so many of the
mega-cities of the world.
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So at one point, on one
hand, the mayor of Sao Paulo
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has to focus on
providing basic services,
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has to focus on primarily
safety, but also
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public transportation,
clean streets
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clean water, key services.
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At the same time, there's
a massive human desire
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to actually right the
wrongs of the world
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as embodied by the
thousands, and in Sao Paulo's
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case, millions of
disadvantaged youths
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who are growing up there.
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And I think the greatest
challenge facing
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the leader of the city is how
do you balance those two needs.
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What's brought the
millions of disadvantaged
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to cities like Sao Paolo is
rural poverty and elusive
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promise of urban prosperity.
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They've just turned up
and built shacks here
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on the edge of the city.
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No matter what happens
in these large growing
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mega-cities in
developing countries,
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people-- there is
a high-rise of what
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you call spontaneous
settlements, to some people
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popularly known as slums.
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But sums are nothing but
spontaneous settlements.
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People come, they
need a place to sleep,
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there is no flat to
which they can get to.
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If there is a flat,
they don't have rent.
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They can't pay rent.
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So they put up their
own little place
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to stay, normally by
squatting on land.
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Over 400,000
families in Sao Paulo
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lack what the city
authorities call even
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minimally decent housing.
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In neighborhoods
like Guananases,
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Sao Paulo has
built better homes.
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But the new housing meant
altering the flow of the river,
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and the altered river
flooded the homes
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of those who hadn't been chosen
to live in the new houses.
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When the flood happened,
everything inside the house
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was ruined.
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Me and the kids were inside, and
we had to climb over the walls.
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There was a flood on
Friday, and again on Sunday.
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On Sunday, we had
time to run outside,
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but everything
was flooded again.
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And now the house
is cracking up.
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Scenes like this in a
relatively prosperous country
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lead some to argue
decent housing should
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be a human right.
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The world, I think,
is rich enough today--
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internationally, globally, to
provide decent housing, as well
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as decent food, and
decent health care,
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to everyone on the planet.
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I think the resources are there.
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The question is
how they are used.
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And the idea that it
should be the right
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of the citizen of
any civilized country
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to have a standard
of housing that's
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commensurate with
maintaining decent health,
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maintaining the possibilities of
getting ahead in life, I think
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that possibility
is there, and ought
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to be recognized everywhere.
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Out here, in the illegal
city, are whole neighborhoods
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that lack not just
decent housing, but most
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basic services, far beyond
the reach of the law
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and and the government.
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Last year we filmed
with the posse,
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a group of young people
trying to organize some
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of the services middle
class neighborhoods
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expect the city to provide.
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Most of the posse are
in their twenties.
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In the illegal
suburbs, that's old.
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People who come
to the city, they
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have quite the last
decade been living
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in the borders of the city.
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And this place that
we found out probably
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about 11 regions of the
city that don't have
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any presence of government.
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And these regions
are the regions
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that have grown more,
like 100% in 10 years.
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And half of the population
has less than 18 years old.
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The Posse have
their own rap band.
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They sing about young
criminals and young victims,
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easy to find in
the city that can
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see 50 murders in a weekend.
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When people have are tarnished
of the kind of violence
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we are having in a big city like
Sao Paulo, I'm not the tarnish.
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If you have half of the
population in these poor
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sections, that have
less than 18 years old,
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and they have no access to
education, no perspective,
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and they cannot see a
light in the tunnel,
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No prospects.
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Their prospects are nothing.
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How can you think
they are not going
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to be violent or delinquent?
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Posse member Du has been coming
downtown to the Glamour Zone
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to work.
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He's sad, but not surprised
others come here to rob.
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If we had a fair
distribution of wealth,
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the kids from the suburbs
wouldn't come downtown
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to steal a few dollars.
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[SPEAKING PORTUGUESE]
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Du is as keen as anyone the
new mayor makes Sao Paulo safe.
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One thing that can
be done-- you're
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talking specifically
about Sao Paulo,
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which is a local phenomenon.
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And it's very important
for the welfare of the poor
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is actually providing
safe streets.
00:15:22.800 --> 00:15:24.730
And you say it's sort
of a basic service.
00:15:24.730 --> 00:15:27.660
But if you think about what
are basic rights that we think
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kids are entitled to--
security of property rights,
00:15:30.060 --> 00:15:32.290
security of life is
really way up there.
00:15:32.290 --> 00:15:35.170
And if we think about the things
that actually are barriers
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to investing in skills--
having unsafe streets,
00:15:38.980 --> 00:15:41.330
having a flourishing drug
trade that distracts you
00:15:41.330 --> 00:15:44.210
from actually going to school--
is a tremendous handicap
00:15:44.210 --> 00:15:45.910
that poor people face.
00:15:45.910 --> 00:15:48.653
Solving the problems
of local crime
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are absolutely mayor's
responsibilities.
00:15:54.530 --> 00:15:56.270
For the young people
in the suburbs
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education is more
than a basic need.
00:15:58.920 --> 00:16:00.600
It's a vital priority
if they're to have
00:16:00.600 --> 00:16:02.545
any chance of a stake
in the global economy.
00:16:05.790 --> 00:16:08.570
But despite the good work
in the Posse's local school,
00:16:08.570 --> 00:16:13.770
one out of three Paulistas have
trouble reading and writing.
00:16:13.770 --> 00:16:16.300
The teacher's boss knows
the city has to do better.
00:16:19.130 --> 00:16:23.620
Sao Paulo is such an important
city in Latin America
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that we have to have
qualified people for service.
00:16:28.580 --> 00:16:30.976
Because it was an industrial
city at the beginning
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of the century.
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Now it's more and
more a service city.
00:16:34.500 --> 00:16:36.170
In order to have a
service city, you
00:16:36.170 --> 00:16:39.360
have to have very
qualified people.
00:16:39.360 --> 00:16:42.070
And we still don't have
as many as we need.
00:16:42.070 --> 00:16:45.990
So the biggest challenge to
make Sao Paulo globalized
00:16:45.990 --> 00:16:50.510
in a good sense for opportunity
for the citizens of Sao Paulo,
00:16:50.510 --> 00:16:52.250
we have to have education.
00:16:52.250 --> 00:16:56.542
And that's something that I
put big effort to acquire.
00:16:59.910 --> 00:17:01.480
But kids can't study
if they're sick.
00:17:05.000 --> 00:17:08.190
The clinic in San Miguel
treats age-old problems
00:17:08.190 --> 00:17:10.079
and the special
illnesses of the city.
00:17:15.079 --> 00:17:18.910
I know a lot of babies and
two- and three-year old kids,
00:17:18.910 --> 00:17:22.650
and older ones, suffering
respiratory problems because
00:17:22.650 --> 00:17:23.460
of the pollution.
00:17:29.840 --> 00:17:32.810
Hospitals of Sao Paulo--
they're the best of the country.
00:17:32.810 --> 00:17:38.310
But at the same time,
the pollution of the air,
00:17:38.310 --> 00:17:41.680
and the quality of life
that's very stressing,
00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:48.260
all that-- that makes
it worse for health.
00:17:48.260 --> 00:17:51.410
Infectious waterborne diseases
are another big city health
00:17:51.410 --> 00:17:51.910
hazard.
00:17:55.000 --> 00:17:57.190
This morning they're
checking vaccination cards.
00:17:59.960 --> 00:18:02.580
Providing the basic services
that can prevent illness
00:18:02.580 --> 00:18:05.760
is another of the new
mayor's priorities.
00:18:05.760 --> 00:18:09.920
The most fundamental
issue of their health
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requires that certain
basic essentials
00:18:12.820 --> 00:18:15.430
are provided to the whole city.
00:18:15.430 --> 00:18:19.420
You need to create access to
clean water for everybody.
00:18:19.420 --> 00:18:22.970
You have to get rid of
everybody's solid waste.
00:18:22.970 --> 00:18:24.120
You have to clean garbage.
00:18:24.120 --> 00:18:27.040
You can't say I only clean
garbage here, and not here.
00:18:27.040 --> 00:18:29.360
Because the flies don't
know the boundaries.
00:18:29.360 --> 00:18:34.800
So things like that have to
be planned for the whole city.
00:18:34.800 --> 00:18:37.450
Marta knows that for
many women in Sao Paulo,
00:18:37.450 --> 00:18:41.750
domestic violence is also
a serious health issue.
00:18:41.750 --> 00:18:46.450
Today she's visiting a shelter
that helps battered women.
00:18:46.450 --> 00:18:48.559
Men have abused the women here.
00:18:48.559 --> 00:18:49.600
The city has helped them.
00:18:52.280 --> 00:18:54.970
This house, for me,
is like a mother,
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and I would like to
pass it onto all women.
00:18:58.020 --> 00:19:02.980
In this house I was reborn and
a educated for another life.
00:19:02.980 --> 00:19:05.640
Today I'm a new woman,
thanks to the professionals
00:19:05.640 --> 00:19:08.208
working in this shelter.
00:19:08.208 --> 00:19:12.968
[APPLAUSE]
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Violence is very great here.
00:19:14.872 --> 00:19:16.614
And there are very
few places where
00:19:16.614 --> 00:19:19.526
a woman can go for
help-- physical help
00:19:19.526 --> 00:19:21.860
and psychological counseling.
00:19:21.860 --> 00:19:25.090
Many times a woman is afraid
and doesn't go for help.
00:19:25.090 --> 00:19:28.290
And knowing that a
place like that exists,
00:19:28.290 --> 00:19:30.680
that will help her to come.
00:19:30.680 --> 00:19:33.790
The success of the shelter, and
of the woman who's visiting,
00:19:33.790 --> 00:19:36.640
are signs that even macho
cities like Sao Paulo
00:19:36.640 --> 00:19:38.930
can become places of
opportunity for women.
00:19:42.570 --> 00:19:45.840
The space of the city is
actually enabling women.
00:19:45.840 --> 00:19:47.950
And this represents
a radical departure
00:19:47.950 --> 00:19:51.470
from a very common image
that the space of the city
00:19:51.470 --> 00:19:52.930
is dangerous for women.
00:19:52.930 --> 00:19:56.420
Remember that novels
from the 1800s
00:19:56.420 --> 00:19:57.520
already were full of that.
00:19:57.520 --> 00:19:59.800
And I think that what the
last 20 years are showing,
00:19:59.800 --> 00:20:03.910
especially the last 10 years,
is that the space of the city
00:20:03.910 --> 00:20:06.950
begins to enable women
and they can emerge
00:20:06.950 --> 00:20:10.090
as political subjects
in a way that they did
00:20:10.090 --> 00:20:12.650
not 20 years ago, 30 years ago.
00:20:12.650 --> 00:20:15.010
And that they do not still,
I think, in small towns
00:20:15.010 --> 00:20:15.635
and in suburbs.
00:20:18.390 --> 00:20:21.050
The 21st century is ours.
00:20:21.050 --> 00:20:22.200
No doubt.
00:20:22.200 --> 00:20:26.320
I don't think, even in a
machoistic country like Brazil,
00:20:26.320 --> 00:20:31.540
being a woman today is
something that goes against you.
00:20:31.540 --> 00:20:34.710
At least for me, it has
helped several times.
00:20:34.710 --> 00:20:40.170
Because I think people think
women are more harnessed and so
00:20:40.170 --> 00:20:43.231
they respect women in the
sense of dealing with many--
00:20:43.231 --> 00:20:44.980
But cities are built
for men, aren't they?
00:20:44.980 --> 00:20:46.690
Built by men, for men.
00:20:46.690 --> 00:20:47.310
That's true.
00:20:47.310 --> 00:20:52.900
But poverty-- who deals
most with poverty are women.
00:20:52.900 --> 00:20:55.370
But back in
poverty-stricken Guananazas,
00:20:55.370 --> 00:20:58.620
they remember how the council's
well-intentioned schemes
00:20:58.620 --> 00:20:59.770
caused so much damage.
00:21:02.650 --> 00:21:05.275
Here even the women are cynical
about the new mayor's promises.
00:21:08.090 --> 00:21:11.660
Why don't we quite so I
don't believe any of it
00:21:11.660 --> 00:21:15.110
any more because every
time a new government
00:21:15.110 --> 00:21:18.670
starts, they make
a lot of promises.
00:21:18.670 --> 00:21:20.560
First, there was Maluf.
00:21:20.560 --> 00:21:23.370
He promised a lot,
but never delivered.
00:21:23.370 --> 00:21:27.165
Then there was Pitta
and now it's Marta.
00:21:27.165 --> 00:21:29.030
It's only a beginning
for her, but I
00:21:29.030 --> 00:21:31.040
don't believe it any more.
00:21:31.040 --> 00:21:34.320
Here in Brazil, it's all
just plans and promises.
00:21:36.910 --> 00:21:39.100
I don't feel like a
citizen of Sao Paulo.
00:21:39.100 --> 00:21:43.480
I feel like an animal, an animal
that nobody feels sorry for.
00:21:43.480 --> 00:21:46.030
The government, mayor,
the local politicians,
00:21:46.030 --> 00:21:48.980
they never come around,
unless it's election time.
00:21:48.980 --> 00:21:50.600
They're just worried
about our votes.
00:21:54.880 --> 00:21:57.920
With cynicism so ingrained,
the new mayor of Sao Paulo
00:21:57.920 --> 00:22:01.130
may need all the encouragement
she can get from the colleagues
00:22:01.130 --> 00:22:03.880
and experts she'll meet
at the UN's conference
00:22:03.880 --> 00:22:05.830
on cities this summer.
00:22:05.830 --> 00:22:11.030
What do you think is the biggest
challenge confronting someone
00:22:11.030 --> 00:22:16.200
starting to run a
city like Sao Paulo?
00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:19.280
Well, I think that
the biggest challenge
00:22:19.280 --> 00:22:21.060
will be, first of
all, to reach out
00:22:21.060 --> 00:22:24.250
with the stakeholders
of Sao Paulo.
00:22:24.250 --> 00:22:26.010
Who are the people of Sao Paulo?
00:22:26.010 --> 00:22:28.330
I'm sure you have the financial
magnates of Sao Paulo.
00:22:28.330 --> 00:22:30.400
You have the industrialists
of Sao Paulo.
00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:33.610
But you also have the poor
of Sao Paulo, the homeless.
00:22:33.610 --> 00:22:36.350
So my message, my advice--
my humble advice, if I could,
00:22:36.350 --> 00:22:39.230
would be that first of all,
to get to know the people,
00:22:39.230 --> 00:22:40.590
and to listen to them.
00:22:40.590 --> 00:22:41.780
What have they seen?
00:22:41.780 --> 00:22:44.330
Because you see, the
poor of the cities,
00:22:44.330 --> 00:22:47.780
they are not just
passive objects.
00:22:47.780 --> 00:22:49.780
Most often, they are
solving their own problems.
00:22:49.780 --> 00:22:52.042
These people are taking care
of themselves, actually.
00:22:52.042 --> 00:22:54.250
They are putting up, as I
said, their own spontaneous
00:22:54.250 --> 00:22:55.589
settlement.
00:22:55.589 --> 00:22:57.630
They are taking care of
their living environment.
00:22:57.630 --> 00:23:01.060
So if you listen, I think
that's why I'm talking
00:23:01.060 --> 00:23:03.160
about participatory governance.
00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:06.720
That if the mayor of
Sao Paulo I believe
00:23:06.720 --> 00:23:11.282
if he or she would sit down with
the constitutent and listen,
00:23:11.282 --> 00:23:12.740
most of the problems
will be solved
00:23:12.740 --> 00:23:13.840
by the people themselves.
00:23:13.840 --> 00:23:14.660
They are the key.
00:23:14.660 --> 00:23:16.540
The people of Sao
Paulo are the key
00:23:16.540 --> 00:23:18.070
to the problems of Sao Paulo.
00:23:18.070 --> 00:23:20.860
I think everybody
has a right to hope
00:23:20.860 --> 00:23:23.430
and I think most people
who come into cities
00:23:23.430 --> 00:23:26.540
come to transform the
lives of their children,
00:23:26.540 --> 00:23:28.610
if not for themselves.
00:23:28.610 --> 00:23:31.850
And in most cases, if you talk
to even the poorest person who
00:23:31.850 --> 00:23:33.970
lives in the city,
they will tell you
00:23:33.970 --> 00:23:36.440
that 10 years of
living in the city
00:23:36.440 --> 00:23:39.610
has transformed the
choices for their children,
00:23:39.610 --> 00:23:42.560
even if there are
many more steps to go.
00:23:42.560 --> 00:23:45.980
So I think, whether you're
rich, or you're poor,
00:23:45.980 --> 00:23:48.700
cities provide you
that opportunity.
00:23:48.700 --> 00:23:51.780
And everybody has a right
to explore that option.
00:23:51.780 --> 00:23:55.260
So do you look to these
great, sprawling cities
00:23:55.260 --> 00:24:00.250
as being a nightmare,
or symbols of hope?
00:24:00.250 --> 00:24:02.164
Definitely symbols of hope.
00:24:04.910 --> 00:24:07.030
I certainly don't think
we should despair.
00:24:07.030 --> 00:24:09.470
I think Sao Paulo does have
a huge amount of promise.
00:24:09.470 --> 00:24:10.280
Absolutely.
00:24:10.280 --> 00:24:11.696
There are some
cities, and I would
00:24:11.696 --> 00:24:14.290
classify Sao Paulo as one of
them, that basically exist
00:24:14.290 --> 00:24:16.360
for sound economic principles.
00:24:16.360 --> 00:24:19.720
It doesn't mean that the poverty
that these mega cities have
00:24:19.720 --> 00:24:21.525
brought to light
isn't distressing.
00:24:21.525 --> 00:24:24.670
It doesn't mean that we
don't need to address that.
00:24:24.670 --> 00:24:27.600
But putting a halt to its
growth is not the right answer.
00:24:27.600 --> 00:24:29.300
The right answer is
a national policy
00:24:29.300 --> 00:24:32.320
to lift the poor
everywhere, not to block
00:24:32.320 --> 00:24:34.070
the movement of the
poor to the employment
00:24:34.070 --> 00:24:35.200
opportunities of Sao Paulo.
00:24:38.130 --> 00:24:40.770
I think Sao Paulo
is a wonderful city.
00:24:40.770 --> 00:24:43.030
I think it's got a
range of opportunities,
00:24:43.030 --> 00:24:50.510
a range of offerings, a variety,
a diversity that is very rich.
00:24:50.510 --> 00:24:53.400
And that it can be
a wonderful place--
00:24:53.400 --> 00:24:56.710
and is, for many pwople--
a wonderful place to live.
00:24:56.710 --> 00:24:59.501
And that can be true in other
21st century cities, too?
00:24:59.501 --> 00:25:00.000
Yes.
00:25:00.000 --> 00:25:00.690
I think so.
00:25:03.770 --> 00:25:06.060
In the Parazapola
favela, schoolkids
00:25:06.060 --> 00:25:10.860
try and persuade their neighbors
to recycle plastic bags.
00:25:10.860 --> 00:25:12.810
The new mayor hopes
that she can harness
00:25:12.810 --> 00:25:14.860
the spirit of these
children and turn
00:25:14.860 --> 00:25:16.890
the residents of the
Glamour zone, the War
00:25:16.890 --> 00:25:20.425
Zone, and the illegal city into
residents of one community.
00:25:23.050 --> 00:25:25.720
Something unique has
happened in my city.
00:25:25.720 --> 00:25:28.730
The city was in such
a state of corruption
00:25:28.730 --> 00:25:32.530
and abandon that people
from all social levels
00:25:32.530 --> 00:25:35.620
are giving their hands,
and say we want to help.
00:25:35.620 --> 00:25:37.410
You can see that in a janitor.
00:25:37.410 --> 00:25:41.030
You can see that in
the big entrepreneur.
00:25:41.030 --> 00:25:44.970
So if I do it right, and
if I articulate right,
00:25:44.970 --> 00:25:47.850
all these people, all this
effort, and all this emotion,
00:25:47.850 --> 00:25:49.780
it can go as far
as that, I think
00:25:49.780 --> 00:25:51.380
we can make a
difference in this city.
00:25:51.380 --> 00:25:53.930
Even with all the
limits we have,
00:25:53.930 --> 00:25:56.880
if we have a competent
administration,
00:25:56.880 --> 00:25:59.930
honest administration that
really cares for the people,
00:25:59.930 --> 00:26:03.030
we can do it.
00:26:03.030 --> 00:26:05.300
Marta has four years
to make a difference
00:26:05.300 --> 00:26:06.950
before she faces reelection.
00:26:11.000 --> 00:26:12.690
In this Series of
Life, we'll be looking
00:26:12.690 --> 00:26:15.380
at the challenges which face
the world's other cities,
00:26:15.380 --> 00:26:18.410
big and small, and the
three billion people who
00:26:18.410 --> 00:26:20.754
live in them.
Distributor: Bullfrog Films
Length: 27 minutes
Date: 2002
Genre: Expository
Language: English
Grade: 7-12, College, Adult
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