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I had to steal, to kill,...

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...to have many things
to survive.

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COLOMBIA HAS
THE FOURTH HIGHEST RATE

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OF CHILD DEATHS IN THE WORLD.

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My first dead body?

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At the age of ten, almost 12.

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4,000 CHILDREN ARE SEXUALLY ABUSED EACH YEAR IN COLOMBIA.

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85 % CASES OCCUR
IN THE FAMILY ENVIRONMENT.

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One street has two exits only:

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the jail or the cemetery.

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AT THE GATES OF HELL

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What if the gates of hell
were not underground,...

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...but on any street,

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...in one of the most violent
districts in the world.

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And hell is having to decide,
you or them.

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What happens when you have to make
that decision...

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...when you are just a child?

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We are at Comuna 13,...

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...the most troubled district
of all Medellín.

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Yes.

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If you look over there, ahead,
behind me, what do you see?

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Many memories, too many alleys...

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...that remind me
of good and bad times.

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When did those bad memories start?

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It started when I was a girl,...

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...around eight years old.

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I had a mother
that never loved me.

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She gave me when
I was one year old.

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How does a ten-year-old girl
live the streets of Colombia,...

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...in Medellin and in Comuna 13?

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One has many choices:

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Prostitution,...

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...receiving money for going
somewhere to hurt someone.

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Could we talk about that moment...

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...when you were a hired killer?

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Many times, I don\'t know
how many people I killed.

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Without counting them.

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Don\'t you know
how many people you have killed?

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No, I went through that long ago.

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Ten, 20, 30, 40?

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Something like that.

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More than 40?

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I guess so.

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When did you start?

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My first dead body?

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At the age of ten, almost 11.

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Carolina, are you telling me
you first killed a person...

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...when you were ten years?

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Yes.

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I had an emotional relationship.

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With a man?

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With a boy of 13.

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There was a woman who liked him,...

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...that was a bit older and so.

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And did you kill a girl,...

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...when you were a girl then,
for jealousy?

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It was not an order?

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Not, it was my order.

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That is your worst memory?

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No.
-¿No?

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No. I was 14.

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and one person from here,
from Comuna 13,...

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...invited me to walk
during a weekend,...

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...with a couple
that were his friends.

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But the couple started argueing...

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...and the boy went
to the lover\'s place.

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When that boy appeared, he asked
my boy and me to help him,...

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...that he had stabbed the girl.

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When we went
and saw what happened,...

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...that girl was dripping,...

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...she was dripping blood,

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...and we saw
that the girl turned pale,...

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...and she was dying,

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and that boy finished her.

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The girl\'s sister,...

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...when she saw her sister
was being hit with a machete,...

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...she started screaming...

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...and I had to stab her.

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That really hurt me.

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Now with children
I would never want to do that.

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Do you have children?
-Yes.

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Yes?
-I have got two daughters.

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Two daughters?
When did you have them?

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The first one when I was 15.

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Do you know anything
about the father?

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I do, but I\'m not interested.

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Better alone, right?

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Than in bad company.

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What a pity
that I cannot record your face...

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...because you look really
suspicious of the district,...

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...as if you were watching.

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Although the two of us
look over there...

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...and we do not see anyone,...

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...in many places,
many eyes are upon us.

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And I feel them, watching.

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Do you feel we are being watched?

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Long ago. Phew!

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Where do they watch us from?

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Specially over there.

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You can hear the whistles
right here.

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Whistles?
-Yes.

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They are...
-Don\'t you hear that...

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...down there and over there
some people whistled?

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Yes, I have just heard
somebody whistling.

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And they keep on whistling.

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Who ordered the jobs for you?

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Gang bosses.

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They use children for these jobs...

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...because they know
that children don\'t...

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Sometimes, many times
they use them...

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...because they move easier
that an adult.

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A child, what could they do to them?

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Did you ever have to serve
a sentence for anything?

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I served five months for homicide.

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But it\'s a short term for homicide,
isn\'t it?

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I mean that the gang bosses find it
really cheap to use chindren.

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Sure.

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Children that are used to kill
in a country...

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...with the sad distinction of having the fourth highest rate...

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...of child deaths in the world.

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One day you decide...

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...that sport can bring boys
and girls out of the street...

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...and turn them
into different people, right?

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What I saw in the field,...

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...to put it in some words,
was because I was a prisoner.

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I started training alone and every
time I started training...

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...I had more followers,
under disciplined conditions...

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...they had to follow me
if they wanted to train with me.

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Gradually, I started having
many boys training,...

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...with the objective
of making them...

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...really tired
so they go to sleep.

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When they started training
with me,...

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...they only spent time training...

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...and having discipline,
discipline, discipline.

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And you used that method
when you left jail?

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Did you bring it to the districts?

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I structured the project,
I presented it to Coldeportes,...

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...we ran our first academy
and I called the boys...

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...and I told them: \"You see?
We can work on this...

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...instead of doing that\".

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Then, the mothers are really happy
knowing that their boys...

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...wake up early, think of going
out and doing sport,...

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...they come back tired
and go to sleep,...

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...they do not go out to smoke,...

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...they saw that they cut
their nails.

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Many of these families support
what we are doing,...

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...but in town
there are criminal gangs...

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...and some of them do not like...

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...what we are doing because
we are taking their followers,...

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...boys that are working
and we are taking their soldiers.

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It\'s dangerous to be a boy in
Colombia in one of these districts?

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Yes, of course.
That is extreme sport.

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Are you doing sport to avoid
staying all day in the street?

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To avoid crime.
I train Mixed Martial Arts.

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What do you get from that?

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De-stress.

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How old are you?
-17.

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And do you belong
to a Combo being 17?

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What is a combo,
could you explain it to me?

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It\'s a part of a gang to take
the space in the district,...

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...to gain respect.

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And you,
when did you join the Combo?

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When I was nine.

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What has a nine-year-old boy
in his head to say:

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I have to join a criminal
organization?

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I saw easy money
without working,...

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...they were all day
having parties...

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...and I was curious.

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At nine, what kind of parties
can one go to?

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A house, with drugs,...

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...women and that\'s all, and music.

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What kind of drugs did you consume?

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Marijuana, glue, LSD, poppers,...

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...cocaine, acid, 2CB.

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And what about the money
to get those drugs?

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Selling drugs.

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I stole mobile phones,...

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...we stole from everyone
in the bus, the stores.

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And have you ever hurt someone?

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Yes?

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How many?

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Even killing a person.

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How was it?

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I was alone.

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And did you go after him?
-Yes.

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Because you were told
to go after him.

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Yes, ma\'am.

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And what weapon did you use
to kill him?

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With a gun.

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And who did give you that gun?

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The bosses. I was 14.

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Do you consider yourself a victim
or a killer?

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A killer, because the victim
is the one receiving.

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No, the victim is not just
the one receiving,...

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...the victim is the one
suffering too.

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His family suffered for it,...

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...I did not suffer.

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You know? I\'m looking at you...

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...and it\'s hard to me to think,...

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...because you\'re a young boy,...

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...and you still
have a child\'s face...

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and I find hard to think
that you keep on stealing,...

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...that you have killed
a person,...

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...and you tell me
you do not even have a heart.

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No one believes me.

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Why doesn\'t anyone believe you?
-Because of my face.

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Yes?

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If they could see
how my body is,...

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...they would believe me.
I have my body marked.

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Oh, my God! What about that?

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Stabs.
-Stabs?

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And would you like working?

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You have doubt it, isn\'t it?
-It\'s obvious,...

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...because working is hard.
I have never worked.

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When we finish this interview,
what are you going to do?

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Go out for money,
because I don\'t have money.

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Ah! And how do you get money?

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Whatever.

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Stealing?
-If I have to steal, I do it.

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And, if you see me walking over
there, would you steal from me?

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The truth? One does not feel
affection for anything.

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If I see someone with money,...

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...I have to take it,
that is to say,...

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...one does not think
how that person is,...

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...you do not think,...

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...just as if you have a heart
made of stone.

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It is already a sport for me.

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The violence in Colombia changed.

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The criminal boys are no longer...

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...between 18 and 25,...

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...the age has decreassed...

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...to 7 to 12.

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If there are more and more
young delinquents...

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...it is because there are great crime organizations using them.

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Because they realized that
they don\'t serve long sentences,...

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...that they could commit
any type of homicide,...

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...drug trafficking...

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It\'s obviously much easier to bring
because they are not of legal age.

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They are much more vulnerable.
-Since it is a child.

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They are children and young people
belonging to a combo.

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Small organized criminal gangs
form in a district...

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...and are devoted to extortion,
robbery,...

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...drug trafficking
and other crimes.

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It\'s estimated than Medellin
alone has around 220 combos.

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In the past,
here were shootings everywhere.

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One went into the street
and that was a shooting,...

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...you even had to go
under your bed.

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But thank to the Lord
and the Virgin,...

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...everything has changed a lot.

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People are able to go out,
and even dance.

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For some months,
and even one year,...

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...we are changing
and we want to be other people.

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I was a delinquent before,...

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...and I am not so any more.

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I\'m another person.

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What\'s the best memory
from when you were a kid?

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The best memory I was a kid...

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Not many.

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Little friends we had playing
with sticks in the parks,...

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...football, do you get me?...

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...the things we are playing now,
what we are doing now,...

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...it\'s like
being a young person again,...

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...a child, do you know
what I mean?

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One can live again, you see?

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What is the most
difficult memory...

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...from your childhood
that comes in your mind?

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When I was in the mountain,
in self-defense, and all that.

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I had to quarter two boys.

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What is that?

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With machete, axe.

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One doesn\'t get angry
because no one sees you,...

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...do you know what I mean?

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What did those boys do?
-They wanted to abandon our place.

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Do you get me?
-The self-defense,...

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...and to overcome all of that
is really hard, isn\'t it?

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But then one moves forward
thanks to the Lord.

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We are already out.

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And we came back to the district
and so on.

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And trying to change
the district for good.

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Finishing higher education to start
studying a technical degree...

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...or something or other stuff.
-What do you want to become?

00:17:36.440 --> 00:17:39.240
I would like to be
financial advisor.

00:17:39.400 --> 00:17:42.920
You never know what fate has
prepared for us, do you?

00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:45.960
You never know.

00:17:46.680 --> 00:17:50.760
The truth is that
it is not easy to leave a combo.

00:18:05.080 --> 00:18:09.200
José Vaquero belonged to one
of them since he was a boy.

00:18:09.960 --> 00:18:12.840
He was the boss of these streets
we visit today.

00:18:17.040 --> 00:18:19.320
He knows them so well,...

00:18:19.400 --> 00:18:21.760
...and he has a dream:
to disarm them,...

00:18:21.880 --> 00:18:23.480
...to deactivate the combos.

00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:34.000
It\'s a project to disarm
1,000 gang members in town.

00:18:34.040 --> 00:18:35.040
I talk to them,...

00:18:35.080 --> 00:18:37.200
...I sit with the gang bosses.

00:18:37.240 --> 00:18:39.760
They are ready
to start the process.

00:18:39.800 --> 00:18:41.600
You belonged a combo.

00:18:41.640 --> 00:18:44.160
Yes, I was the boss of maybe...

00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:47.960
...the greatest gang, Ciudad
Bolivar had in its whole history.

00:18:48.880 --> 00:18:50.960
I was the boss of the Smurfs gang.

00:18:52.080 --> 00:18:56.640
The Smurfs gang was formed
by 45 young boys armed,...

00:18:56.680 --> 00:19:00.560
...committing all kind of things
out of the law.

00:19:03.360 --> 00:19:05.280
I committed bank assaults,...

00:19:05.320 --> 00:19:08.080
ticket office robbery,
land piracy,...

00:19:08.120 --> 00:19:12.640
...assault on residences,
assault on supermarkets...

00:19:12.680 --> 00:19:16.080
All you want to imagine
that was illegal, I did it.

00:19:16.280 --> 00:19:18.000
Have you finished anyone\'s life?

00:19:18.040 --> 00:19:24.200
Ah! Well,
that\'s something I\'m not proud of.

00:19:25.160 --> 00:19:28.840
And in his face and half smile,...

00:19:28.880 --> 00:19:30.520
...there is a mix of regret,...

00:19:30.560 --> 00:19:33.160
...but also of pride in being...

00:19:33.200 --> 00:19:36.640
...the worst among the bad ones
and having survived.

00:19:36.840 --> 00:19:39.480
But in the street, it\'s compulsory.

00:19:39.520 --> 00:19:42.200
It\'s you or the other.

00:19:42.240 --> 00:19:45.720
Then, when you have to choose,...

00:19:45.760 --> 00:19:48.000
...it has to be me.

00:19:48.040 --> 00:19:50.360
Wether I kill or I am killed.

00:19:51.160 --> 00:19:53.640
How many partners
have you seen die, José?

00:19:53.680 --> 00:19:58.120
Phew!
Nowadays I\'m the only survivor.

00:19:58.160 --> 00:20:01.640
The other 45,
none of them reached 20 years.

00:20:01.680 --> 00:20:04.320
The street has two exits only:

00:20:04.360 --> 00:20:06.560
the jail or the cemetery.

00:20:06.600 --> 00:20:09.560
Do you think you were a victim
or a killer?

00:20:10.040 --> 00:20:14.320
I think I was a victim
of the circumstances...

00:20:14.360 --> 00:20:17.920
...because of the poverty.

00:20:17.960 --> 00:20:21.600
We never had a Christmas toy.

00:20:21.640 --> 00:20:24.160
Sometimes, we could eat aguapanela
and bread,...

00:20:24.200 --> 00:20:26.480
...and not eat
in three or four days.

00:20:26.520 --> 00:20:29.840
Then, one fills
with hate against society.

00:20:29.880 --> 00:20:32.960
And one,
when the first chance comes,...

00:20:33.000 --> 00:20:34.640
...finds out how to move forward.

00:20:36.200 --> 00:20:38.760
Unfortunately for me,
it was the street.

00:20:47.040 --> 00:20:49.000
What was the turning point,...

00:20:49.040 --> 00:20:51.600
...the day you really decided
to change your life?

00:20:51.640 --> 00:20:54.480
One day I got home
after committing an assault...

00:20:54.520 --> 00:20:55.920
...and brought all the money,...

00:20:55.960 --> 00:20:58.560
...and I found my dad
sitting in bed and crying.

00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:00.520
That\'s the only moment
in my life...

00:21:00.600 --> 00:21:02.240
...I saw my father crying.

00:21:02.280 --> 00:21:04.280
And I told him: Come on, dude,
why are you crying?

00:21:04.360 --> 00:21:06.120
He told me: Brother, because I
spend the money on the newspaper...

00:21:06.200 --> 00:21:07.680
...and I\'m going to be fired.

00:21:07.720 --> 00:21:10.400
I took all the money
from the assault and told him:

00:21:10.440 --> 00:21:11.840
Do not worry,
as long as you have me, relax,...

00:21:11.880 --> 00:21:14.240
...I\'ll fight for you.

00:21:14.280 --> 00:21:17.720
My dad received the money
and cried even harder,...

00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:20.200
...he broke them all
and threw them in my face.

00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:22.760
He told me: When you finished
high school at the age of 14,...

00:21:22.800 --> 00:21:24.520
...I told my friends: My son?

00:21:24.560 --> 00:21:27.920
My son is going to be a doctor,
an architect, an engineer.

00:21:27.960 --> 00:21:29.760
My son is going to bring me out
of this poverty.

00:21:29.840 --> 00:21:32.600
And now, you are not my pride,
you are my biggest shame.

00:21:32.760 --> 00:21:34.720
Even your mom, we just wait
until somebody tells us...

00:21:34.760 --> 00:21:37.400
...you are full with bullets in
a corner to go and pick you up,...

00:21:37.440 --> 00:21:38.800
...to recognize you.

00:21:38.840 --> 00:21:41.960
Look, I would have preferred
that my dad stood and hit me,...

00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:43.320
...but not what he did.

00:21:43.360 --> 00:21:45.440
That day I ran away until I reached
a place in Ciudad Bolivar...

00:21:45.480 --> 00:21:47.320
...called El palo del ahorcado.

00:21:47.360 --> 00:21:48.760
I sat in the root of that tree...

00:21:48.800 --> 00:21:51.800
...and, inexplicably,
I started crying.

00:21:53.800 --> 00:21:55.880
And that day,
for the first time in 20 years,...

00:21:55.920 --> 00:21:59.720
...it happened to me the greatest
thing in my entire life.

00:21:59.760 --> 00:22:03.480
They say God doesn\'t talk
to human beings... Bullshit.

00:22:04.200 --> 00:22:06.320
I can certify he does.

00:22:06.360 --> 00:22:07.720
That day, when I was crying,...

00:22:07.760 --> 00:22:10.680
...inside my head I felt
the most beautiful voice...

00:22:10.720 --> 00:22:12.120
...I ever listened to
in my entire life,...

00:22:12.160 --> 00:22:14.600
...it called me by my name
and told me: \"José,...

00:22:14.640 --> 00:22:17.400
...I need you to leave the streets.

00:22:17.440 --> 00:22:21.320
José, I need you to leave
this life. I have got a mission\".

00:22:21.360 --> 00:22:22.920
And why God didn\'t warn before?

00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:25.280
No, he does, one doesn\'t listen.

00:22:25.320 --> 00:22:30.360
In that moment, for me God was
a 765 and a 308 that I brought,...

00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:31.560
...they were the gods.

00:22:31.600 --> 00:22:33.480
But God always was there
telling me:

00:22:33.520 --> 00:22:35.040
Hey! Where are you going?

00:22:35.080 --> 00:22:37.560
Hey! Brother, hey!
But I never obeyed him.

00:22:37.880 --> 00:22:39.920
Ciudad Bolivar is a time bomb.

00:22:39.960 --> 00:22:43.960
The organized gangs and the gangs
from Ciudad Bolivar...

00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:46.440
...are more dangerous
than the guerrilla.

00:23:14.080 --> 00:23:18.680
The situation of some Colombian
boys and girls is so serious...

00:23:18.720 --> 00:23:21.360
...that the Family Welfare
Colombian Institute...

00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:23.360
...has appealed to society.

00:23:23.400 --> 00:23:25.440
It\'s needed to protect them
because, moreover,...

00:23:25.480 --> 00:23:27.320
...all of us are responsible.

00:23:27.360 --> 00:23:29.480
Not only a responsibility
of the State,...

00:23:29.520 --> 00:23:32.040
...but also a responsibility
of the family.

00:23:32.080 --> 00:23:34.200
We have been really
persistent with that.

00:23:34.240 --> 00:23:37.800
Family must be the first protection
axis for boys and girls,...

00:23:37.840 --> 00:23:41.720
...it must be the first protection
frontier and guarantee...

00:23:41.760 --> 00:23:43.680
...for the rights of boys
and girls.

00:23:43.720 --> 00:23:47.000
Almost the 20 % of girls between
10 and 14 are mothers.

00:23:47.040 --> 00:23:49.040
That is a real grave problem...

00:23:49.080 --> 00:23:51.120
...because they are children
looking after children.

00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:53.520
In fact, it is one
of the situations affecting,...

00:23:53.560 --> 00:23:56.320
...specially, the young people
in the country.

00:23:56.440 --> 00:24:00.560
We have a high teenage pregnancy
rate, and that is why...

00:24:00.600 --> 00:24:01.960
...it\'s important
to tell the girls...

00:24:02.000 --> 00:24:04.120
...that their destiny
and their life project...

00:24:04.160 --> 00:24:06.880
...is not necessarily motherhood
and that, in fact,...

00:24:06.920 --> 00:24:09.240
...they have the possibility
to decide.

00:24:09.280 --> 00:24:13.600
The closeness and affection...

00:24:13.640 --> 00:24:15.840
...are used by the adults
to violate...

00:24:15.880 --> 00:24:18.440
...the rights of the boys
and the girls.

00:24:18.520 --> 00:24:19.840
And, before the sexual violence,...

00:24:20.040 --> 00:24:23.040
...mainly to girls.

00:24:23.080 --> 00:24:24.160
The country,
and not only Colombia,...

00:24:24.200 --> 00:24:29.880
...but most of the countries of
the world, show that patriarchy,...

00:24:29.920 --> 00:24:31.440
...the male chauvinism,...

00:24:31.520 --> 00:24:34.680
...the unequal power relationships
exercised by men over women...

00:24:34.840 --> 00:24:37.240
...are one of the structural features that have made...

00:24:37.280 --> 00:24:40.600
...the girls victims
of sexual violence.

00:24:41.080 --> 00:24:44.280
The sexual violence happens
within the home,...

00:24:44.320 --> 00:24:45.480
...how could that be possible?

00:24:45.520 --> 00:24:49.960
When one of these situation
appears, any person part...

00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:52.080
...of that family must react.

00:24:52.120 --> 00:24:54.280
The worst thing that person
could do is to keep quiet...

00:24:54.320 --> 00:24:56.800
...because this happens at home.

00:24:58.680 --> 00:25:03.720
And in Colombia,
85 % of sexual abuse happens...

00:25:03.760 --> 00:25:05.800
...within the family environment.

00:25:05.840 --> 00:25:09.240
When the families are not
protective, they become ejectors.

00:25:09.280 --> 00:25:10.680
And when a family is ejector,...

00:25:10.720 --> 00:25:14.200
...then the boys and girls become
exposed to other situations.

00:25:14.240 --> 00:25:17.240
And it\'s very important
to realise...

00:25:17.280 --> 00:25:21.800
...that those kids that start
joining gangs or crime groups,...

00:25:21.840 --> 00:25:23.040
...they are victims too.

00:25:23.080 --> 00:25:25.240
They are victims of the crime
of being used by the adults,...

00:25:25.280 --> 00:25:27.560
...adults that use
the boys and girls...

00:25:27.600 --> 00:25:32.120
...that are not legally responsible,...

00:25:32.160 --> 00:25:34.880
...and they can commit
any crime,...

00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:37.840
...especially robbery.

00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:01.520
What is your name?

00:26:01.560 --> 00:26:03.040
My name is Sofía.

00:26:03.080 --> 00:26:04.240
Daniela.

00:26:04.280 --> 00:26:07.120
Sofía and Daniela.
And, how old are you?

00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:09.000
15.
You are 15.

00:26:09.040 --> 00:26:10.960
16.
-And you are 16.

00:26:11.640 --> 00:26:14.040
Sofía, Daniela, what do you do?

00:26:14.080 --> 00:26:15.720
Whores.
-Generally we are called whores.

00:26:15.760 --> 00:26:18.200
But we don\'t like that word,...

00:26:18.240 --> 00:26:21.120
...we are escort ladies.
We go with them and that is all.

00:26:21.160 --> 00:26:23.080
The whores are those
that do it for free.

00:26:23.120 --> 00:26:24.160
Exactly.

00:26:24.200 --> 00:26:26.960
And when did you start doing this?

00:26:27.000 --> 00:26:28.600
At the age of 13.

00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:29.960
13?

00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:32.440
It\'s your turn,
one does not like to do this.

00:26:33.080 --> 00:26:34.400
Why does someone have to do this?

00:26:34.440 --> 00:26:37.040
You have to pay rent.
-Rent?

00:26:37.080 --> 00:26:38.920
You have to buy food.

00:26:38.960 --> 00:26:40.360
And you live with...?

00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:42.320
My mother and my siblings.

00:26:42.360 --> 00:26:44.360
But I mean,
if you go home with money,...

00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:46.800
...mom will know you get it
somewhere, right?

00:26:46.840 --> 00:26:49.080
She knows I have got a boyfriend...

00:26:49.120 --> 00:26:51.640
...that supposedly comes
from other country...

00:26:52.480 --> 00:26:54.080
And she swallows it.

00:26:54.880 --> 00:26:56.440
Sofía, have you drunk anything?

00:26:56.480 --> 00:26:57.600
Anything.

00:27:00.520 --> 00:27:03.600
Does one have to drink
to bear this?

00:27:03.640 --> 00:27:06.200
I mean, can you do it sober?

00:27:07.080 --> 00:27:09.320
Not most of times.

00:27:09.360 --> 00:27:16.200
We have to drug ourselves to do it.

00:27:17.280 --> 00:27:20.880
Is it disgusting?
-Yes, but it\'s money.

00:27:20.920 --> 00:27:23.640
But you should be girls
playing with dolls.

00:27:23.680 --> 00:27:26.000
We have been the dolls.

00:27:26.040 --> 00:27:27.480
Has anyone abused you?

00:27:28.360 --> 00:27:31.240
I was raped when I was ten.

00:27:36.200 --> 00:27:39.480
That\'s normal for a woman.
-It is not normal.

00:27:39.520 --> 00:27:43.080
That is hard, yes it is.
-No, mommy, no, it\'s not normal.

00:27:44.960 --> 00:27:48.880
Once I visited an aunt of mine...

00:27:48.920 --> 00:27:51.160
...and her husband raped me.

00:27:55.720 --> 00:27:57.800
And did you report it, Sofía?

00:27:57.840 --> 00:28:01.720
Yes, but they did not believe me
because I was a child.

00:28:01.760 --> 00:28:04.040
I don\'t want to talk about it.

00:28:04.120 --> 00:28:05.120
If you don\'t want
to talk about it,...

00:28:05.200 --> 00:28:07.280
...I respect that, I get it.

00:28:09.640 --> 00:28:14.880
And do you think that men
who turn to girls are normal men?

00:28:16.320 --> 00:28:17.320
Do you see it as normal?

00:28:17.360 --> 00:28:18.520
No.

00:28:18.560 --> 00:28:19.840
They are depraved.

00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:22.080
They are not normal for me
because...

00:28:22.120 --> 00:28:27.440
...most of them are married men...

00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:30.040
With children.
-With children.

00:28:30.080 --> 00:28:31.640
The night is hell.

00:28:31.680 --> 00:28:34.040
One does not know
who you are going to find.

00:28:34.240 --> 00:28:36.240
Are you afraid?
-No.

00:28:36.280 --> 00:28:39.160
In the street?
When you are stopped in the corner.

00:28:39.200 --> 00:28:41.080
Waiting for them to come...
-In fact, I do.

00:28:41.120 --> 00:28:43.360
Even the most thug guy is afraid.

00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:46.240
We are terribly afraid.

00:28:51.080 --> 00:28:52.520
I would like to tell you...

00:28:52.560 --> 00:28:56.840
...I hope you don\'t have
any services tonight,...

00:28:56.880 --> 00:28:58.560
...or tomorrow,
or the day after tomorrow.

00:28:58.600 --> 00:29:01.040
That would be really good.

00:29:01.080 --> 00:29:03.240
But... When it\'s your turn,...

00:29:03.280 --> 00:29:04.600
...it\'s your turn.
-Exactly.

00:29:05.280 --> 00:29:08.840
Anyway, thank you very much.
-No, thank you all.

00:29:08.880 --> 00:29:11.720
I hope this helps somehow,
not only us.

00:29:11.760 --> 00:29:16.120
All the girls from here,
in the country, in the world.

00:29:16.160 --> 00:29:18.000
I hope they look a bit as us...

00:29:18.040 --> 00:29:23.880
...and find a way to help,
a way out.

00:29:35.240 --> 00:29:38.280
\"When it\'s your turn\", they say.

00:29:38.320 --> 00:29:42.800
And that is why they go back
to the corner where I found them.

00:29:43.720 --> 00:29:48.320
It\'s culturally defined,
under the patriarchy,...

00:29:48.360 --> 00:29:50.440
...male chauvinism, if you want
to call it that way,...

00:29:50.480 --> 00:29:54.920
...that women are made for
the context of intimacy at home.

00:29:54.960 --> 00:29:56.840
And that is what they are taught.

00:30:07.920 --> 00:30:10.240
We are going to have the case,...

00:30:10.320 --> 00:30:15.680
...for example, of a girl whose
family was not very successful...

00:30:15.800 --> 00:30:17.880
...and was not very affectionate.

00:30:17.920 --> 00:30:21.160
Moreover, the lack of affection...

00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:24.640
...is because she has got children
she does not share the father,...

00:30:24.680 --> 00:30:29.360
...and she finally works
teaching those children.

00:30:30.520 --> 00:30:33.920
What is the percentage
of pregnant girls in Colombia?

00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:36.560
Girls from ten to 14 years.

00:30:36.640 --> 00:30:41.280
Our government considers
that in 14-year-old teens...

00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:44.560
...at present close to 20 %
are sexually active.

00:30:44.600 --> 00:30:50.200
It is so serious to fight
the problem of pregnancies...

00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:52.720
...that are desired
unconsciously,...

00:30:52.840 --> 00:30:54.680
...or that are imposed
by the society...

00:30:54.720 --> 00:30:55.760
...because of the motherly role...

00:30:55.800 --> 00:30:58.280
...that all women
are supposed to play.

00:30:58.320 --> 00:31:00.160
That is much more difficult.

00:31:00.200 --> 00:31:03.600
And we see these girls
giving up their goals.

00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:05.680
They give up becoming
professionals...

00:31:05.720 --> 00:31:09.040
...because, well, they want to
become mothers in the first place.

00:31:09.120 --> 00:31:11.520
And when they become mothers,
they do not want to study...

00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:15.720
...because that would mean to leave
their children a few hours.

00:31:15.760 --> 00:31:17.200
Let\'s say,...

00:31:17.240 --> 00:31:19.600
...the prevention
of teen pregnancy...

00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:22.280
...has been a failure of education.

00:31:22.320 --> 00:31:25.440
While the ICBF, the Health
Department,...

00:31:25.520 --> 00:31:27.200
...refines all the measures,...

00:31:27.360 --> 00:31:33.040
...we have schools that rarely face
the matter of sex education.

00:31:33.080 --> 00:31:35.400
In Colombia we have a system...

00:31:35.440 --> 00:31:38.200
...that allows us sex education,...

00:31:38.240 --> 00:31:41.440
...but sex education at school
is not given.

00:31:41.480 --> 00:31:46.720
I mean, that sex education has been
approved by the Government,...

00:31:46.760 --> 00:31:51.080
...but is not being offered
as a resource.

00:31:51.160 --> 00:31:52.920
I think more than anything,...

00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:54.880
...it\'s based
on a double standard...

00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:58.280
...because I think that many girls,
as I said in the conference,...

00:31:58.320 --> 00:32:01.360
...from 13 to 18,
the 97 % don\'t know.

00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:04.480
People don\'t really know
what is a contraceptive,...

00:32:04.520 --> 00:32:06.520
...what is a condom,
that there are pills.

00:32:06.680 --> 00:32:08.600
She knows
what she does is wrong,...

00:32:08.680 --> 00:32:12.360
...but she does it
because of her natural instinct.

00:32:12.520 --> 00:32:16.080
Because us, women,
put a lot of emotion.

00:32:16.120 --> 00:32:17.960
That men don\'t do.

00:32:53.680 --> 00:32:56.600
What are you going to do?
-Some potatoes.

00:32:58.520 --> 00:33:01.000
Cindy, are you the one
preparing the potatoes?

00:33:01.040 --> 00:33:02.560
I do it, for the boy.

00:33:02.600 --> 00:33:05.080
You look like a girl,
but you have a boy.

00:33:05.240 --> 00:33:07.960
Yes, I have been told many times.

00:33:08.000 --> 00:33:11.720
I mean, you were a teen mother.
-Yes.

00:33:11.760 --> 00:33:14.160
But I had Jacobo when I was 16.

00:33:14.800 --> 00:33:16.640
Was it willingly?
That is to say,...

00:33:16.680 --> 00:33:18.520
...did you want to have
the boy being young?

00:33:18.560 --> 00:33:25.080
No, that was a mistake,
but no, I wanted the child...

00:33:25.120 --> 00:33:27.920
Firstly I wanted
to study business administration.

00:33:28.000 --> 00:33:33.440
You got pregnant
and the studies finished.

00:33:33.560 --> 00:33:34.640
Everything.
-And, never again?

00:33:34.680 --> 00:33:36.440
Everything. No.

00:33:38.440 --> 00:33:42.920
They were surprised,
but it was accepted.

00:33:42.960 --> 00:33:45.200
There wasn\'t any other choice?
-Sure.

00:33:45.240 --> 00:33:46.880
No?
-No.

00:33:52.320 --> 00:33:53.960
Come, Jacobo, come on.

00:33:55.200 --> 00:33:56.800
National selection.

00:33:56.840 --> 00:33:58.720
The national one?
-Yes.

00:33:58.760 --> 00:34:00.240
I\'ll put it to him now.

00:34:00.320 --> 00:34:02.360
What do you want to wear,
a football t-shirt?

00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:04.520
Yes.
-Yes?

00:34:04.560 --> 00:34:06.920
You are really beautifull
with that t-shirt.

00:34:07.720 --> 00:34:09.880
But he likes the National.

00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:14.600
What did the doggy say?

00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:16.320
Liar.

00:34:16.360 --> 00:34:19.160
Tell mommy she needs help
to look for in her drawer.

00:34:22.000 --> 00:34:24.440
Are you happy with that?

00:34:26.000 --> 00:34:29.480
I wasn\'t, no.
It was so hard for me.

00:34:29.520 --> 00:34:32.200
I cried about a whole week,...

00:34:32.240 --> 00:34:35.680
...but anyone realized because
I did not want anyone to realize.

00:34:35.720 --> 00:34:38.200
Did you know this could happen?

00:34:38.840 --> 00:34:42.120
Yes, I knew, but I took care.

00:34:42.160 --> 00:34:44.640
How did you take care?
-I used a condom.

00:34:44.720 --> 00:34:48.120
I see.
-But I don\'t know what happened.

00:34:48.240 --> 00:34:50.040
Maybe you didn\'t use it
that day or...

00:34:50.080 --> 00:34:53.240
Yes, I didn\'t use it
about three times.

00:34:54.080 --> 00:34:56.480
Do you know many girls that
have experienced your situation?

00:34:56.520 --> 00:34:58.120
Yes.
-Yes?

00:34:58.160 --> 00:34:59.960
Yes, most of my friends.

00:35:01.200 --> 00:35:04.440
They were even younger than me.

00:35:04.520 --> 00:35:07.280
And until what age
are you playing with dolls?

00:35:07.360 --> 00:35:11.080
I started going out at 12.

00:35:11.120 --> 00:35:12.920
Did you start going out?
-Partying.

00:35:12.960 --> 00:35:14.920
At 12?
-Yes.

00:35:14.960 --> 00:35:16.800
Hey, Cindy,
would you like more children?

00:35:17.400 --> 00:35:20.600
No, I already requested an appointment to have an operation.

00:35:20.640 --> 00:35:23.760
I want to give Jacobo
what he wants from me.

00:35:23.800 --> 00:35:26.640
I mean,
what I could not receive,...

00:35:26.720 --> 00:35:30.280
...I know I can give him this time.

00:36:14.280 --> 00:36:15.600
Gustavo Salazar,...

00:36:15.640 --> 00:36:19.560
...you are the lawyer for
drug traffickers in this country...

00:36:19.600 --> 00:36:22.600
...and criminal gangs.

00:36:22.640 --> 00:36:25.840
I have been doing this
for many years and I like it.

00:36:26.160 --> 00:36:27.560
I\'m paid for having fun.

00:36:31.240 --> 00:36:33.920
What is the role of a child
within this combo?

00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:36.280
They are the crime instrument.

00:36:36.320 --> 00:36:37.920
They don\'t plan it,...

00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:42.000
...they are the people
executing the crime.

00:36:42.040 --> 00:36:44.800
They have used them
for four decades...

00:36:44.840 --> 00:36:49.800
...because the Colombian laws,
until the seventies,...

00:36:49.840 --> 00:36:52.960
...legally implied the age
of criminal responsibility is 21.

00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:57.240
Then, in the eighties, the latest
years of the seventies,...

00:36:57.280 --> 00:36:58.720
...that age was decreased to 18.

00:36:58.800 --> 00:36:59.800
I have already said that,...

00:36:59.880 --> 00:37:01.920
...nowadays,
the age should be 12,...

00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:05.000
...because the problem
is not the age, it is the mind.

00:37:05.040 --> 00:37:10.000
Our children nowadays
have a perverted, strange...

00:37:10.040 --> 00:37:11.440
...and weird mind
at the age of 10, 12.

00:37:11.480 --> 00:37:13.320
They are real adults to kill,...

00:37:13.360 --> 00:37:15.440
...they are real adults for sex,...

00:37:15.480 --> 00:37:17.520
...they are real adults
for drugs...

00:37:17.600 --> 00:37:20.320
Then they have to be real adults
to respond legally.

00:37:20.360 --> 00:37:22.240
That\'s what we have proposed.

00:37:22.280 --> 00:37:24.720
If the legal aged
is decreased to 12,...

00:37:24.760 --> 00:37:27.440
...there would be less children
committing those crimes.

00:37:27.480 --> 00:37:30.520
But I cannot stop thinking
they are victims too in the end.

00:37:30.560 --> 00:37:32.840
We have always been told
that children are good.

00:37:32.880 --> 00:37:36.520
As Mandela said:
\"Anyone is good or bad\".

00:37:36.600 --> 00:37:39.680
The human being is as good as bad.

00:37:43.440 --> 00:37:44.800
I don\'t know
if there is a difference...

00:37:44.840 --> 00:37:48.000
...between defending an adult
that committed such a crime...

00:37:48.040 --> 00:37:49.520
...or defending a child.

00:37:49.560 --> 00:37:52.400
Theoretically, it\'s easier
to defend a child.

00:37:52.440 --> 00:37:56.640
Why? Because, from the theoretical
point of view,...

00:37:56.680 --> 00:37:59.320
...it\'s supposed that a child
is not able to understand.

00:37:59.360 --> 00:38:00.680
I say theoretically.

00:38:00.720 --> 00:38:03.680
Pinina, that was
John Jairo Arias Tascon,...

00:38:03.720 --> 00:38:06.360
...was, maybe, the first
hired killer in Colombia...

00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:09.840
...joining the Medellin cartel
as a minor.

00:38:09.880 --> 00:38:15.760
He died so young because he was
killed in a raid in June of 1990.

00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:20.320
But I could say he was
the first young or child...

00:38:20.360 --> 00:38:23.240
...hired killer that Colombia had.

00:38:25.200 --> 00:38:28.920
Being 13 to show politeness,...

00:38:28.960 --> 00:38:32.240
...as we say in Antioquia,
he killed people for free.

00:38:33.040 --> 00:38:37.640
In the past it was inconceivable
that a woman was a prostitute,...

00:38:37.680 --> 00:38:39.600
...being just a girl,
or hired killer.

00:38:39.640 --> 00:38:42.920
Yes, more or less,
in the latest 10-20 years,...

00:38:42.960 --> 00:38:46.360
...you have the phenomenon
that girls are hired killer.

00:38:46.400 --> 00:38:50.440
Why? Because
girls attract preys easier.

00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:51.480
Through what?

00:38:51.520 --> 00:38:53.200
Using the bait
that they are pretty.

00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:59.920
And the best way to kill a person
is through a young woman that,...

00:39:01.440 --> 00:39:07.000
...with her beauty,
invites one person to dinner,...

00:39:07.040 --> 00:39:09.960
...they have dinner,
she gives drink,...

00:39:10.080 --> 00:39:11.680
...escopolamine, as we say here,...

00:39:11.760 --> 00:39:12.760
...and she kills him.

00:39:12.880 --> 00:39:15.800
That is why,
Medellin and Colombia,...

00:39:15.920 --> 00:39:18.640
...specially Medellin,
it is unfortunately a reality,...

00:39:18.680 --> 00:39:22.960
...there were and there are
hired female killers.

00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:24.640
That was inconceivable in the past.

00:39:37.840 --> 00:39:43.240
I had to steal, to kill,
to have many things to survive.

00:40:13.360 --> 00:40:15.400
What do I feel when I kill someone?

00:40:16.040 --> 00:40:19.360
Yes, I\'ve got much rage,
nothing happens to me.

00:40:19.400 --> 00:40:20.720
But the truth is that the person
does not deserve it,...

00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:27.840
...if I feel something like
tickling and I go crying,...

00:40:27.880 --> 00:40:30.600
...but finally I leave
and I enjoy what I earned...

00:40:30.640 --> 00:40:32.640
...and I give my son
the most I can.

00:40:33.920 --> 00:40:37.400
How many people, Nathalim?
-How many I did?

00:40:38.280 --> 00:40:39.520
12.

00:40:40.680 --> 00:40:42.000
All men?

00:40:42.880 --> 00:40:44.480
Yes.
-The victims, I mean.

00:40:44.560 --> 00:40:47.320
They are always men,
because I use charm.

00:40:48.080 --> 00:40:50.200
Then, you tell them: come on.

00:40:50.240 --> 00:40:52.120
You go dancing rumba
with that person,...

00:40:52.160 --> 00:40:55.720
...you get him drunk
and bring him to any room.

00:40:55.840 --> 00:40:59.400
I tell him: No, it\'s just
I feel like having sex now.

00:40:59.560 --> 00:41:05.360
Let\'s go, I bring you to my home
or wherever, I tell him.

00:41:05.960 --> 00:41:07.520
I bring them, and that\'s all.

00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:10.040
And do you know
what is the problem...

00:41:10.080 --> 00:41:12.520
...that that person had
so that someone wanted to kill him?

00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:15.560
Sometimes yes, sometines no.

00:41:16.200 --> 00:41:18.120
I receive the money,
and I do not care.

00:41:19.120 --> 00:41:22.160
What did you receive for every job?
-They gave me 600 dollars.

00:41:22.200 --> 00:41:23.520
Even 700.

00:41:23.640 --> 00:41:27.120
It depends on the job
or the person we have to...

00:41:28.200 --> 00:41:31.320
She tells me she\'s off the camera.

00:41:31.360 --> 00:41:33.960
To give him what?
-To discharge.

00:41:34.000 --> 00:41:35.600
Discharge?
-That\'s how they called it?

00:41:35.720 --> 00:41:38.440
Yes. So he cannot come back.

00:41:39.680 --> 00:41:41.160
Looks pretty horrible.

00:41:42.360 --> 00:41:44.360
What catches my attention,
Nathalim,...

00:41:44.400 --> 00:41:47.360
...is that there is a smile
in your face as you tell me this.

00:41:47.480 --> 00:41:54.400
It\'s not I\'m happy with this,
it\'s just I\'m telling my story.

00:41:54.440 --> 00:41:57.080
But it\'s a really complicated
and hard story.

00:41:57.120 --> 00:41:59.120
She went through everything
since she was a girl.

00:41:59.160 --> 00:42:00.960
Yes, but one learns
how to manage these things.

00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:03.240
That\'s to say, that\'s the life
style we all have.

00:42:03.280 --> 00:42:06.920
You are a presenter and I\'m hired
killer, prostitute,...

00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:10.320
...friend, mom, person, subject,...

00:42:10.400 --> 00:42:14.080
...I\'m a bit of everything
I\'m all you want me to be.

00:42:14.160 --> 00:42:16.720
I imagine that you killed
with a gun, isn\'t it?

00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:18.760
Or with a... You cut throats.

00:42:18.800 --> 00:42:21.760
You do like this, cutting throats?

00:42:22.160 --> 00:42:26.600
Yes. easier. A knife is put there
and they handle it.

00:42:26.640 --> 00:42:30.160
Specially because one cannot make
much noise, right?

00:42:30.560 --> 00:42:35.320
Then you stab with the knife
and they stop breathing...

00:42:35.360 --> 00:42:37.160
...and then it comes...

00:42:37.240 --> 00:42:38.560
There is always someone
behind you.

00:42:38.640 --> 00:42:41.400
While I bring them home,...

00:42:41.440 --> 00:42:44.440
...there are other three
outside watching,...

00:42:44.480 --> 00:42:46.400
...looking after you, right?

00:42:46.440 --> 00:42:47.520
Then, you give the order.

00:42:47.720 --> 00:42:53.000
Ready, he\'s asleep or
\"I stabbed him\" or whatever.

00:42:53.040 --> 00:42:55.360
Then they come in and finish it.

00:42:55.400 --> 00:42:59.120
They rob him or whatever they do,
and one leaves.

00:43:01.480 --> 00:43:05.760
You talk to me like it was
a normal part of life.

00:43:05.800 --> 00:43:08.120
But you learn to live with it.

00:43:08.480 --> 00:43:10.440
What else am I going to do?

00:43:11.880 --> 00:43:13.960
One has to accept its fate.

00:43:15.200 --> 00:43:19.840
I cannot say: I\'m the worst,
I\'m a killer, I\'m a hired killer.

00:43:20.800 --> 00:43:23.640
I can\'t, it\'s my job.
That\'s what I do.

00:43:29.240 --> 00:43:31.320
I\'m going sentimental.

00:43:31.360 --> 00:43:34.440
Are you crying, Nathalim?

00:43:34.480 --> 00:43:36.480
No, I am okay.

00:43:36.520 --> 00:43:40.080
What a pity it\'s hard to live
with those things.

00:43:40.120 --> 00:43:42.640
It\'s just everything got me very...

00:43:42.680 --> 00:43:45.160
I\'m very tired of this life.

00:43:45.400 --> 00:43:50.360
I don\'t regret anything I\'ve done
because I was born to do this.

00:43:50.400 --> 00:43:54.120
Do you really think you were born
to be hired killer, prostitute?

00:43:54.320 --> 00:43:57.480
Yes, because
I would want another one...

00:43:57.520 --> 00:43:59.880
But I cannot live with it.

00:43:59.920 --> 00:44:02.480
I cannot live
with the normal life, right?

00:44:02.520 --> 00:44:03.560
What is the normal life?

00:44:03.600 --> 00:44:07.280
A job in a shop, in a bakery...

00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:10.840
...and going there where I\'m going
to earn 300,000 pesos...

00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:13.000
...when I can do it in 15 minutes.

00:44:13.040 --> 00:44:15.360
How much would you ask
to do it again?

00:44:16.480 --> 00:44:19.280
I\'m not going to do it again.

00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:21.480
You say that without conviction.

00:44:21.560 --> 00:44:24.000
I\'m not going to do it again,
because I want to work...

00:44:24.040 --> 00:44:27.240
...and find my way, and moving
forward with my child,...

00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:29.000
...and not giving him
such examples.

00:44:29.040 --> 00:44:31.120
I don\'t want to give him
this life...

00:44:31.160 --> 00:44:32.840
...because everything is karma.

00:44:32.880 --> 00:44:35.000
Everything comes back later on.

00:45:13.720 --> 00:45:16.280
In the past these guys
were rivals in different combos.

00:45:16.320 --> 00:45:20.120
Yes, they are teenagers
that are already transformed.

00:45:20.160 --> 00:45:21.640
That they start having...

00:45:21.680 --> 00:45:25.160
They start studying,
they start working in companies.

00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:29.160
They have a psychological change.

00:45:29.200 --> 00:45:33.560
It\'s possible,...

00:45:34.600 --> 00:45:36.680
...let\'s say, to disarm,

00:45:36.720 --> 00:45:40.240
...and specially,
to transform lives.

00:45:40.280 --> 00:45:44.240
And telling them
that does not go anywhere.

00:45:44.280 --> 00:45:46.600
They are looking.

00:45:46.640 --> 00:45:50.520
For example,
a teen or his friends find out...

00:45:50.600 --> 00:45:53.800
...their only end is jail
or cemetery.

00:45:53.880 --> 00:45:57.400
Then,
when they start having children,...

00:45:57.440 --> 00:45:59.560
...when they start having
other type of imagination,...

00:45:59.600 --> 00:46:02.000
...they are able
to change their lives.

00:46:02.440 --> 00:46:05.520
And how are they changed?
Because they were born in that.

00:46:05.760 --> 00:46:10.280
When they start receiving chances,
the change really happens.

00:46:17.920 --> 00:46:21.760
The key to not having problems
or difficulties with them...

00:46:21.800 --> 00:46:25.600
...is that I\'ve never been involved in what they call \"the turn\".

00:46:25.640 --> 00:46:29.280
\"The turn\" is business,
the criminal world.

00:46:29.760 --> 00:46:32.200
Look, I\'ve been working
in the social services...

00:46:32.240 --> 00:46:34.240
...for more than 17 years.

00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:39.480
I don\'t know how much
a cocaine gram costs,...

00:46:39.520 --> 00:46:43.760
...I don\'t know the price of
a \"bareto\", that is marijuana,...

00:46:43.800 --> 00:46:45.400
...I don\'t know anything
about that.

00:46:45.440 --> 00:46:47.960
I never deal with that
or treat them as criminals,...

00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:49.720
...I see them as human beings.

00:47:06.520 --> 00:47:10.440
Father Juan is a priest
working in the street.

00:47:11.800 --> 00:47:14.600
He carves wood
with the same affection and care...

00:47:14.640 --> 00:47:16.720
...that he carves
the life of the children...

00:47:16.760 --> 00:47:19.000
...from the most
conflicted districts.

00:47:23.240 --> 00:47:26.200
The door to his church
is open all day...

00:47:26.240 --> 00:47:28.760
...for those children,...

00:47:28.800 --> 00:47:30.640
...to keep them off the street.

00:47:41.280 --> 00:47:44.600
Let\'s think that each
of those children,...

00:47:44.640 --> 00:47:48.200
...young people and teenagers come
with problems and difficulties.

00:47:48.240 --> 00:47:51.880
This space
is a salvation space for them...

00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:53.800
...because they clear
their minds,...

00:47:53.840 --> 00:47:57.200
...their problems are fixed.

00:47:57.280 --> 00:47:59.520
I\'m sure that, right now,
none of them remember...

00:47:59.600 --> 00:48:01.520
...what they have at home.

00:48:01.600 --> 00:48:03.000
Not what they have got at home,...

00:48:03.080 --> 00:48:04.800
...nor what they have
in the street.

00:48:05.040 --> 00:48:10.000
This church of yours is like
a small heaven within hell.

00:48:10.040 --> 00:48:12.000
Yes, that is what we have created.

00:48:12.040 --> 00:48:14.080
An oasis in the middle
of the desert.

00:48:14.120 --> 00:48:17.040
If not, many of them
would at this time be at home...

00:48:17.080 --> 00:48:21.040
...or just playing videogames...

00:48:21.080 --> 00:48:22.760
...or the Internet,...

00:48:22.800 --> 00:48:24.480
...or in a depressive state,...

00:48:24.520 --> 00:48:26.800
...just asleep or laying down,...

00:48:26.880 --> 00:48:31.320
...or in a corner waiting
through the day.

00:48:59.640 --> 00:49:01.080
What was your name?

00:49:01.160 --> 00:49:02.160
Tomás.

00:49:02.240 --> 00:49:03.360
And you?
-John Wilmer.

00:49:03.440 --> 00:49:05.200
Wilmer. Tomás and Wilmer.

00:49:05.320 --> 00:49:07.120
And how old are you?

00:49:07.160 --> 00:49:09.040
13.
-13.

00:49:09.080 --> 00:49:10.320
And you?
-13.

00:49:10.360 --> 00:49:12.400
I see. And why are you here?

00:49:12.480 --> 00:49:14.080
Because we are interested
in the matter.

00:49:14.120 --> 00:49:15.120
What matter?

00:49:15.160 --> 00:49:16.680
The forge.

00:49:16.720 --> 00:49:22.520
The forge is a foundation giving us
spiritual and economic work.

00:49:23.200 --> 00:49:26.920
At 11 years you decide
you need economic help.

00:49:27.200 --> 00:49:29.440
Not, for home, the market.

00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:31.040
For home.

00:49:31.080 --> 00:49:34.280
But one comes here
to live with friends,...

00:49:35.640 --> 00:49:37.040
...to dance,...

00:49:37.080 --> 00:49:41.920
...to play with the computers,
and one does not...

00:49:41.960 --> 00:49:45.160
I come here and I ask
the father for permission,...

00:49:45.200 --> 00:49:46.640
...he assembles
the ping-pong table...

00:49:46.760 --> 00:49:47.760
They give refreshments.

00:49:47.800 --> 00:49:50.640
However, at home,
one cannot do it,...

00:49:50.680 --> 00:49:52.320
...the space is small.

00:49:57.120 --> 00:49:59.040
I was not so spiritual.

00:49:59.080 --> 00:50:00.520
You were not spiritual?

00:50:00.560 --> 00:50:01.560
and how were you?

00:50:01.600 --> 00:50:04.640
Well, I did not obey.

00:50:04.680 --> 00:50:07.560
You did not obey?
I was a rude boy...

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...and I came here
and I fixed myself.

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Well, tell me how is your district.

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Very busy, people shooting
at other people.

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And have you seen the shootings?

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Yes.

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I was playing in a court...

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...and one was killed there.

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And what did you think?

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Sorrow.
-Sorrow?

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And fear.
-Fear too.

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Were you afraid?

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Of being captured
and killed for being a busybody.

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Who do you live with?

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My dad and my little sister.

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And why mom is not there?

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She died when she was 37.

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How was it?

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You don\'t want to tell it.

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But Tomás.

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Tomás.

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Hey, Tomás.

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Tomás, come on.

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Come on, small child.

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Do you want to say
anything nice about her?

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No? Don\'t you want
to talk about her?

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The tears of a boy
can leave you dry.

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And especially
when there are reasons to cry.

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Growing up in place
as hostile as this...

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...is enough reason.

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I did not talk to just children,...

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...but to broken children.