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Taxi, non-stop taxi, taxi.

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I pay the 3rd,
I pay the \"18th\", the \"13th\"...

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...and the \"Chirizos\".

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...we are practically buying
our daily safety.

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IN HONDURAS, THE MARAS AND GANGS
FINANCE THEMSELVES DIRECTLY...

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...WITH INCOME FROM PUBLIC
TRANSPORT\'S EXTORTION.

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If they refuse to pay,
we beat them, give them death.

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IN UNDER A DECADE...

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...MORE THAN 1,000 PEOPLE HAVE BEEN
MURDERED IN THE TRANSPORT SECTOR.

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MOST OF THEM
FOR REFUSING TO PAY EXTORTION.

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Every day more families go, right?

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Losing relatives,
kids becoming orphans,...

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...mothers losing their children.

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AT THE GATES OF HELL

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Can you imagine
going out to work each day...

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...without knowing
how much you will earn...

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...but with certainty
that you\'re risking your life?

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The crime of extortion is the fuel
that burns the economy...

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...of those that work
in public transport.

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In Honduras,
fear is a profitable business.

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Authorities don\'t give away
the quantity of how much money...

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...is paid for extortion,
on a national level...

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...because they simply don\'t know.

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But everyone assumes,
for more than ten years...

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...that businesses close,
threats grow and blood is shed.

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Above all, in the transport sector.

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Working in the transport sector...

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...is a journey
between extortion and death.

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When, whether you want it or not,
your bosses are the actual mafia...

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...in the shape of Mara or Gangs.

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Something as basic
as getting on a bus or a taxi...

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...can become the key
that opens the gates of hell.

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MARA\'S RENT, DEATH TAX. HONDURAS

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Taxi, non-stop taxi, taxi.

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Non-stop taxi,
do you want non-stop?

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Non-stop taxi.

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Who else? \"Centro sur\", one more.

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MARIO SOLIZ. TAXI DRIVER

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Mario, you\'ve been a taxi driver
for 25 years.

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For 25 years.

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At first you had your own taxi,
your own vehicle,...

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...but you had to sell it.
-I had to sell it.

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Why?

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Because of the extortion,
I couldn\'t keep paying for it.

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What was the extortion like?
-Horrible, horrible.

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We had to pay, say on Thursdays,
to the \"Chirizos\".

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The \"Chirizos\" are a gang, a Mara?

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Yes.

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You had to because you were
an owner and a taxi driver.

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I was an owner and a taxi driver,
being a car owner...

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You have to live
with all the extortion.

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I have to pay all my extortion
and be at their service.

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Twice or thrice, I had to go
with them to get guns,...

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...bags of extortion money.

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They made you go
to get weapons with your vehicle?

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Weapons, going from place to place
gathering their money.

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They sent you
to get other driver\'s money?

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What did they say to you?

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They take it the wrong way,
they think that I\'m guilty...

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...that I\'m part of them,
that I\'m a swindler like them.

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Why didn\'t you refuse?

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Because refusing is death.

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Did the police arrest you?
-Yes.

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They thought
you were working for the Mara.

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Yes.

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In some way
you were working for the Mara.

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By force, by force.
Authorities don\'t get that...

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...that you do it out of fear.

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My life was in danger.

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And your family\'s life.

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My family\'s and my pals.

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Have you gone
to many of your friends\' funerals?

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Yes.

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Many, many. Bus and taxi drivers.

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The police arrested me
and gave me the chance...

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...if I kept collaborating
with them to get money...

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...with a co-worker\'s Lempira
that I would get,...

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...they would jail me.

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How did you tell the Mara
that you weren\'t going to stay?

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I sold my car, I sold my car
and that was the solution.

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It hurt me, my car, my number,
I had to sell it to be uninvolved.

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Did the Mara ever pay you?

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They offered, but I never accepted.

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It\'s salty money,
someone else\'s sweat.

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It\'s not fair.

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The police states there are drivers
that are involved.

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Yes, there are people involved.

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They go to any place
to work as a driver...

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...they see how much
movement there is,...

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...how much money
each place saves up and all that.

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And they pass on
all those messages to the Maras.

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Have you ever met a coworker
that really belonged to the Mara?

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There was one.
The one who extorted the most.

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He knew all the movements,
he knew how much each car made.

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Before, we had savings,...

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...we had the luxury,
in December,...

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...of dividing
the year\'s earnings...

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...and have turkey, chicken,
apples, grapes.

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Now we only have photographs.

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Terrible, terrible,
very terrible, very tough.

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How can you live like that?

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We are in Honduras.

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You have gone through tough times.

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Yes, when I was assaulted.

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On the corner, a client comes out
and you follow them.

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You see the prettiest woman,
she makes you stop and it\'s bait.

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They take you
where they are waiting for them...

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...to take away
everything you have.

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The Mara doesn\'t care
if you are assaulted.

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No! It\'s the least important thing.
You either pay or you pay.

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If the car is broken,
you still have to pay.

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You don\'t work, you have to pay.

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They are interested in the money.

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What gang do you pay?

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The two in town,
the \"13th\" and \"18th\".

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Your boss pays one
and you pay the other?

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How much
do you have to pay the Mara?

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I have to give 400 Lempiras.

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Per week?

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Yes, the car owner has to pay 400,
so 800 Lempiras.

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Is it a risk to go out
to the streets everyday...

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...and get in the taxi?

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Do you not bear weapons?

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No, my weapon is the ruler,
the powerful king of kings.

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And it has saved you for now.
-Of course.

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Why didn\'t you report
to the police?

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Because, at the time,...

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...they said
that if you report them,...

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....they had undercover people
in the police, so they would know.

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They knew where you lived,
what school your kid goes to.

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Now there\'s special police,
the National Anti-Extortion Force.

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Don\'t you feel like reporting it?

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Everyone is scared, as I said,
the brave one that goes is rare.

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Are you never going to go?

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I love my family.

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The most important thing
is that they don\'t suffer hunger...

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...it\'s worth the risk,
the sacrifice.

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Look, the police
is in this building here...

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Here is the police
and we are two blocks away.

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Where do they extort you?

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Where they extort...
such things, let\'s see.

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If extortions are known to exist
since 2007,...

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...why was the National
Anti-Extortion Force born in 2013?

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It\'s a crime that happens because
of the credibility and trust...

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...that the population has
in the safety institutions.

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It\'s a complicated matter
in our country.

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Often understandable because
of some cases that have occurred...

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...within the national police...

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...which is undergoing
for a purge process.

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Was it needed to purge the police?
Was the police corrupt?

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ALMICAR HERNANDEZ. NATIONAL ANTI-EXTORTION FORCE COLONEL.

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That\'s it,
that\'s what the people reported.

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In fact, at this point,
more than 4,000 have been purged.

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The National Anti-Extortion
Police Force agents...

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...have to pass a polygraph test.

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That\'s part of the qualification,
that gives us the result...

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...that, up until now,
we haven\'t found an agent,...

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...an official
involved in an irregular act.

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What percentage of public transport
is being extorted?

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I think they are all
going through this issue.

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How many people
were arrested in 2017?

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735 people that are imprisoned
in various jails in the country.

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Is being imprisoned not the same
as having the extortion end?

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The jails were run by those
that have been vetted of freedom...

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...the situation got better
with the construction of jails...

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...with maximum security modules.

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What is vetted in those jails?
-Communication.

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They planned deaths from there,
hitmans, murder,...

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...selling drugs
and the extortion itself.

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Now that the most dangerous
prisoners...

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...are taken
to maximum security jails,...

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...do prisoners start
collaborating with you?

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Yes, now we have members
of these criminal structures...

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...that have made the decision
to get out of the gangs or Maras.

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That is an opportunity for us
because we obtain valuable intel...

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...which allows us to detain
the important people within gangs.

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People that, once detained,
may collaborate or may repent.

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People like the one waiting for me,
in a place with no name,...

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...where names are fake
and where felons...

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....even with covered faces,
tell intimidating stories.

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\"HARE\". PROTECTED WITNESS.

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Tell me who you are,
as much as you can.

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I\'m not answering that question.

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Can you tell me what rank
you have in this gang?

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Rank?

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I can\'t tell you
because I\'m in the big league.

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That means you\'re at a high rank
within the hierarchy?

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Correct.

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How can you get to that level?

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With a bank account,...

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...making deposits,
generating money.

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The more you generate,
the bank doesn\'t want to lose you.

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The same. If you generate points
for the \"18th\",...

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...the \"18th\"
won\'t want to lose you.

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What is the \"18th\" gang?

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The \"18th\" gang? Good question.

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It\'s something that if you enter,
you enter another world.

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In this world
you can\'t have a heart.

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Sometimes you gotta
do things for the gang.

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Do you have a heart?

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Of course, I have a heart,
feelings, like any human.

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But as I say, when it\'s time,
it\'s time, said the looney.

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How powerful is the \"18th\"?

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Here in Honduras, the money rules.

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The more money you have,
the more people buy,...

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...the more people work
for the organisation.

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From policemen, to politicians,
judges, prosecutors and attorneys.

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With a salary?

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Correct.

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How many people make up
the \"18th\" gang?

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Maybe here in Honduras
there has been a calculation...

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...but in the world,
it\'s like cancer.

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You might kill one cell,
but five are left alive.

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What\'s the biggest benefit
of the \"18th\"?

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Where does it get the most profit?

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From extortion.

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Extortion, why choose extortion?

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Because it\'s the most profitable.

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Why the transport?

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The transport must pass
through our sectors.

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Zones under the gang\'s control?
-Correct.

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To pass by them
you have to pay tax?

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Correct, weekly.

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A war tax?
-Yes.

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What happens
if someone refuses to pay?

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If they refuse to pay,...

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...we beat them, give them death.

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For how much money, maybe?

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No, not for money,
for respect towards the \"18th\".

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Most of these things
are solved by death.

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Sometimes, yes, it depends.

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Sometimes we talk to the person,
tell them.

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Or intimidate them,
tell them to leave the sector...

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...without killing them,
giving them a chance in life.

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How is a victim chosen?

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We find out families,
where they live,...

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...what time they leave,
if they are intimidating.

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Then we find out
how much they earn weekly...

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...depending on how much
they earn,...

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...we know how much
we charge in extort ion.

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How do you contact
the person being extorted?

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Now more than ever,
by mail letters,...

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...because the situation
by phone is looking ugly.

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If I walk in the city,
could I recognise an \"18th\" member?

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No, never,...

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...because now,
with authorities like this...

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...nobody has tattoos,
nobody references the gang.

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Have they lowered the profile?

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Correct, to work under the table.

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Do you feel surrounded now?

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Yes.

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Are there \"18th\" members
in high responsibility jobs?

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Let\'s move on to another question.

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Are members
of the \"18th\" sponsored...

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...to be educated in universities,
for example?

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In the \"18th\"
it has started just recently.

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But in another organisation,
like the Mara Salvatrucha...

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...they are light years
ahead of us.

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Because they have lawyers,
prosecutors and judges.

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They have state people.

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People in the state that speak
on their behalf...

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...at state level and police level.

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People that have had their degrees
paid for to get to that job post.

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And they get paid a salary.

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What has the gang given you?

00:16:01.960 --> 00:16:03.720
Destruction and death.

00:16:03.760 --> 00:16:05.360
And what have you given them?

00:16:05.840 --> 00:16:08.040
My entire life.

00:16:09.880 --> 00:16:13.320
I gave everything for nothing.

00:16:13.720 --> 00:16:15.720
Because this is a murky world.

00:16:16.760 --> 00:16:21.640
I can\'t even sleep
because of everything I remember.

00:16:22.680 --> 00:16:23.960
All that remorse.

00:16:24.240 --> 00:16:27.400
So many people I have hurt.

00:16:30.240 --> 00:16:32.240
I would kill...

00:16:32.280 --> 00:16:35.880
...the mother could be there
but if he owed it to me,...

00:16:36.920 --> 00:16:39.040
...I would do it in front of her.

00:16:39.080 --> 00:16:42.400
Don\'t you think that it\'s great
pain that I cause to people?

00:16:43.640 --> 00:16:46.960
Don\'t you think that,
now that I\'ve changed my life,...

00:16:47.160 --> 00:16:49.520
...my conscience isn\'t remorseful?
Daily.

00:16:50.000 --> 00:16:52.120
Do you want to leave the \"18th\"?

00:16:52.160 --> 00:16:54.640
I could say yes
as much as I could say no.

00:16:56.440 --> 00:16:59.320
Maybe you want to say yes
but you know you can\'t.

00:16:59.920 --> 00:17:02.560
You only leave the \"18th\" dead.

00:17:19.680 --> 00:17:21.680
\"LUCAS\". EX TOWN 18 (M-18)

00:17:21.720 --> 00:17:24.200
They\'re going to kill me
if they catch me.

00:17:25.000 --> 00:17:27.000
Those are the words
of someone who knows...

00:17:27.320 --> 00:17:30.960
...there\'s a higher chance of dying
than of turning their life around.

00:17:31.000 --> 00:17:34.000
If you have accepted orders
without doubting them...

00:17:34.040 --> 00:17:37.680
...if you\'ve been an extortionist,
a hitman, a murderer...

00:17:38.200 --> 00:17:41.720
...you are very aware
that when you leave town...

00:17:41.760 --> 00:17:46.560
...you go from being part
of the gang, to being their target.

00:17:46.600 --> 00:17:50.000
So, they have a rule whereby
if one of them...

00:17:50.040 --> 00:17:53.200
...doesn\'t respond in 24 hours,
you lose contact with them.

00:17:53.240 --> 00:17:55.400
If there are no calls
they have green light...

00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:56.440
...apparently because of that.

00:17:56.480 --> 00:17:58.800
They have green light
to find you and kill you.

00:17:58.840 --> 00:17:59.960
Yes.
-Whomever.

00:18:00.160 --> 00:18:01.240
Whomever of them.

00:18:01.440 --> 00:18:02.880
How long have you been out?

00:18:03.360 --> 00:18:08.240
Not long, it\'s been like three,
three or four months.

00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:11.000
You have just left?

00:18:11.040 --> 00:18:12.040
Yes.

00:18:13.040 --> 00:18:16.520
I fled under their orders
from the reformation centre.

00:18:16.560 --> 00:18:19.680
Once I was out, I didn\'t want to be
what they told me to be.

00:18:19.720 --> 00:18:22.760
They wanted me back
as the extortion administrator.

00:18:23.000 --> 00:18:26.800
The one that manages and admins
the extortions to those who extort.

00:18:27.200 --> 00:18:31.280
And to program the murder
of those who didn\'t want to pay.

00:18:31.320 --> 00:18:32.800
Ordering their murders. All that.

00:18:32.840 --> 00:18:35.280
How much does the \"18th\"
earn by extorting?

00:18:35.320 --> 00:18:37.680
It was like two million monthly.

00:18:37.920 --> 00:18:40.560
Two million Lempiras
a month for extorting?

00:18:40.760 --> 00:18:43.000
Extorting the transport units.

00:18:43.040 --> 00:18:45.080
What did they do with that money?

00:18:45.600 --> 00:18:49.280
With that they buy food
for all the people there,...

00:18:49.480 --> 00:18:52.720
...to buy phones,
to change up the chips. All that.

00:18:52.760 --> 00:18:56.960
Charge up for the phones,
buy more weapons...

00:18:57.200 --> 00:18:59.200
Taking care of the welfare
of them all.

00:18:59.600 --> 00:19:01.640
Their welfare
off of the workers\' sweat.

00:19:01.720 --> 00:19:03.200
Okay, exactly.

00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:07.720
I want you to tell me
how you extorted.

00:19:07.960 --> 00:19:11.800
I would take the phone when
we called them they would answer.

00:19:11.840 --> 00:19:14.360
We would impose
how much they were going to pay.

00:19:14.400 --> 00:19:15.560
But they don\'t pay,...

00:19:15.600 --> 00:19:19.320
...they had to pass on the message
to the transport owners.

00:19:19.360 --> 00:19:20.680
And if the company
didn\'t want to pay,...

00:19:20.800 --> 00:19:22.480
...because often times
they wouldn\'t want to pay...

00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:25.160
...then they would kill bus drivers
and innocent people would die...

00:19:25.360 --> 00:19:26.360
...because of the owners.

00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:28.200
The owners themselves
didn\'t want to pay,...

00:19:28.240 --> 00:19:30.200
...so they would kill
their workers.

00:19:30.240 --> 00:19:32.440
Have you killed a bus driver?
-Yes.

00:19:33.080 --> 00:19:34.120
You\'re smiling.

00:19:34.160 --> 00:19:36.240
I\'m not smiling, it\'s just...

00:19:37.840 --> 00:19:39.200
I don\'t know.

00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:41.040
They died for nothing.

00:19:41.240 --> 00:19:43.680
Yes, I killed
various bus drivers...

00:19:44.520 --> 00:19:47.720
...under orders that I had
and I had to send proof within.

00:19:48.320 --> 00:19:49.960
Proof?
-That I had done it.

00:19:50.080 --> 00:19:51.800
Like what?
-A photo, some photos.

00:19:52.320 --> 00:19:54.320
Out of everything you did
under the Mara\'s orders...

00:19:54.880 --> 00:19:56.720
...what do you regret the most?

00:19:56.880 --> 00:19:59.840
Of seeing people die
that didn\'t deserve to die.

00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:01.720
Seeing them die,
or killing them yourself?

00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:05.720
That too, having killed them
because they had no reason to die.

00:20:06.400 --> 00:20:08.400
Do you keep count
of how many people you\'ve killed?

00:20:09.680 --> 00:20:11.680
No, I couldn\'t tell you the sum.

00:20:13.040 --> 00:20:16.040
Having been part of the gang,
what is it, for you?

00:20:16.200 --> 00:20:17.240
An error.

00:20:17.440 --> 00:20:18.480
Or a horror?

00:20:18.680 --> 00:20:20.560
Practically, horror,
because many things...

00:20:20.600 --> 00:20:24.160
...I would like to amend
but I can\'t amend them now, right?

00:20:37.520 --> 00:20:39.200
Hello?
-Hi, how are you?

00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:41.760
...you\'re talking with the Mafia,
are you listening to me?

00:20:41.800 --> 00:20:43.000
Yes.
-Well, look,...

00:20:43.120 --> 00:20:45.720
...we just talked to the \"combo\",
do you understand?

00:20:46.240 --> 00:20:48.240
We already know, at this point,
how many buses there are...

00:20:48.400 --> 00:20:49.840
...and how many are yours.

00:20:50.120 --> 00:20:52.120
That\'s what the vibe is, see.

00:20:52.680 --> 00:20:55.120
You\'re going
to have to give 100,000 lempiras...

00:20:55.400 --> 00:20:57.880
...to our gang on contract,
do you understand?

00:20:58.080 --> 00:21:00.960
And you\'re going to pay
a war tax implemented by us,...

00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:03.920
...do you understand?
If you want to keep working.

00:21:04.280 --> 00:21:06.760
If not, we\'ll burn you alive...

00:21:07.000 --> 00:21:10.560
...with the buses
that are working now on this route.

00:21:11.440 --> 00:21:15.080
You\'re going to give us
100,000 lempiras tomorrow...

00:21:15.440 --> 00:21:17.640
...at 11 in the morning,
do you understand?

00:21:18.000 --> 00:21:19.160
Yes.

00:21:19.600 --> 00:21:22.080
It seems like anyone
who feels like it...

00:21:22.240 --> 00:21:24.560
...can come to take away money
from a businessman,...

00:21:24.800 --> 00:21:26.400
...a transport investor.

00:21:26.600 --> 00:21:30.600
They just have to get a weapon,
a phone and scare them...

00:21:31.160 --> 00:21:33.000
...and they have to concede
to their petitions.

00:21:33.320 --> 00:21:36.360
If not, then the price is life,
in this case.

00:21:36.640 --> 00:21:40.800
We are practically
buying our safety.

00:21:42.000 --> 00:21:43.000
JORGE LANZA. BUSINESSMAN.

00:21:44.000 --> 00:21:46.520
Every day, it\'s a different Mara.

00:21:46.760 --> 00:21:50.080
Some companies here
pay seven days a week.

00:21:50.480 --> 00:21:52.800
There\'s the \"18th\" Mara,
the \"13th\" Mara...

00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:57.280
...and the \"Specials\" and infinite
others don\'t even have a name.

00:21:57.840 --> 00:21:59.400
How many Maras do you pay?

00:21:59.800 --> 00:22:05.280
I pay three, I pay the \"18th\",
the \"13th\" and the \"Chirizos\".

00:22:06.320 --> 00:22:08.400
You tell me as though
they are suppliers...

00:22:08.440 --> 00:22:10.120
...that you have noted on a list.

00:22:10.160 --> 00:22:13.240
I see this so natural
already in this country,...

00:22:13.760 --> 00:22:16.760
...unfortunately,
we take it as an obligation.

00:22:16.960 --> 00:22:19.960
Have you got a count of the money
you have already given?

00:22:20.360 --> 00:22:23.520
Well, we give
around two million dollars.

00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:25.720
In the transport sector?
-Monthly.

00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:32.200
You can count it has been given
in the space of seven-eight years.

00:22:33.000 --> 00:22:37.160
There are ups and downs,
sometimes you give more or less...

00:22:37.200 --> 00:22:43.400
...because people ask for a plus,
or, say, during festive times,...

00:22:44.080 --> 00:22:48.280
...they ask for money
to celebrate their festivities.

00:22:48.520 --> 00:22:52.800
And we had it get to them
in strategic spots they chose,...

00:22:53.040 --> 00:22:54.440
...places like graveyards.

00:22:54.760 --> 00:22:55.920
Who took the money?

00:22:56.000 --> 00:22:58.080
Staff that works for us.

00:22:58.560 --> 00:23:02.720
One lone person goes to a graveyard
where a \"Marero\" awaits for them.

00:23:03.040 --> 00:23:04.480
Yes, to give the money.

00:23:04.800 --> 00:23:07.400
With no protection.
-Without protection, that\'s right.

00:23:07.760 --> 00:23:11.600
How do you ask an employee to risk
their life to deliver the money?

00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:14.440
The bus drivers are the ones
that know them best.

00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:20.640
Because of that situation,
I think we made the worst mistake.

00:23:21.200 --> 00:23:25.680
Because we have staff
that has become their accomplice.

00:23:26.360 --> 00:23:30.360
When your enemy is in your house,
it is very hard, right?

00:23:32.760 --> 00:23:36.400
When you\'re employing a bus driver,
what do you tell them?

00:23:36.920 --> 00:23:38.520
Another issue we have.

00:23:38.560 --> 00:23:43.120
I had 35 drivers, 25 left...

00:23:43.200 --> 00:23:44.680
...because they were scared.

00:23:44.920 --> 00:23:47.040
What safety
can you offer a bus driver?

00:23:48.080 --> 00:23:50.280
Now, at this moment, none.

00:23:50.320 --> 00:23:51.720
It\'s that simple.

00:23:54.040 --> 00:23:57.240
Haven\'t you ever considered saying
no more, not paying anymore?

00:23:57.400 --> 00:23:58.680
Yes, we did it,...

00:23:58.800 --> 00:24:02.720
...we tried closing the doors
to one of the Maras.

00:24:03.480 --> 00:24:07.200
The result was
they ordered to kill our drivers.

00:24:07.560 --> 00:24:10.600
So, here, nobody avoids extortion.

00:24:12.880 --> 00:24:16.520
Have you had to communicate
the driver\'s death to relatives?

00:24:16.880 --> 00:24:22.880
Yes, there are things
that tug one\'s sensitivity.

00:24:31.800 --> 00:24:35.440
It has been very sad,...

00:24:37.200 --> 00:24:40.920
Very sad...

00:24:41.960 --> 00:24:46.080
...because what we lose
is a co-worker.

00:24:46.440 --> 00:24:50.600
I have seen kids cry,...

00:24:51.440 --> 00:24:56.120
...a wife torn
by losing her husband,...

00:24:56.440 --> 00:25:00.560
...seeing him slain
on the car\'s window.

00:25:02.560 --> 00:25:07.440
For me, as the transport leader,
it\'s unbearably hard those times.

00:25:07.480 --> 00:25:09.520
And though
I might not be present,...

00:25:09.880 --> 00:25:12.160
...even
if I don\'t announce it myself,...

00:25:12.600 --> 00:25:14.720
...just by hearing the news...

00:25:15.040 --> 00:25:20.520
...and knowing they killed
a co-worker somewhere,...

00:25:21.080 --> 00:25:24.160
...it makes me powerless.

00:25:24.800 --> 00:25:30.760
I would love to have the power
to wreck all this...

00:25:31.360 --> 00:25:35.480
...and clean my country.

00:25:48.520 --> 00:25:51.400
Nearly three decades have gone by
since Town 18...

00:25:51.760 --> 00:25:54.560
...and the Mara Salvatrucha
arrived to Honduras.

00:25:54.920 --> 00:25:59.400
Since then, the deaths
and tears are uncountable.

00:26:03.680 --> 00:26:08.000
Death is so evident and
is so widespread in 200 towns...

00:26:08.240 --> 00:26:11.160
...that the Maras have total
control over Tegucigalpa alone,...

00:26:11.520 --> 00:26:17.440
...that National Anti-Extortion
special force agents...

00:26:17.480 --> 00:26:20.160
...have to be very armed
just to get in.

00:26:20.480 --> 00:26:23.400
I clench my teeth as I\'m aware...

00:26:23.440 --> 00:26:26.080
...that the Mara\'s territory
is such a powder keg...

00:26:26.120 --> 00:26:28.520
...even though
we might feel safe...

00:26:28.560 --> 00:26:31.120
...nobody let\'s their guard down.

00:26:33.560 --> 00:26:34.560
Right now,...

00:26:34.600 --> 00:26:37.400
...we have entered a town
that is considered \"hot\".

00:26:37.440 --> 00:26:41.480
Yes, we are in San Jose of Pedregal
colony of Tegucigalpa.

00:26:41.800 --> 00:26:44.360
Here we\'re in a zone,
as you said, where thera are...

00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:47.240
...various incidents
with members of the \"18th\" gang.

00:26:47.280 --> 00:26:49.280
FAUSTO RODRIGUEZ. FNA SERGEANT.

00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:51.680
Do extortions occur here?

00:26:51.880 --> 00:26:53.680
Yes, in this area
where we are located...

00:26:53.720 --> 00:26:56.520
...here we see a trash can,
it\'s one of the spots...

00:26:56.560 --> 00:26:59.760
...where people come
to collect money from extortions.

00:26:59.800 --> 00:27:01.760
Here,
they receive large sums of money.

00:27:01.800 --> 00:27:04.720
They have surveillance over there,
when they see an unknown vehicle...

00:27:04.840 --> 00:27:07.680
...they try to flee the area,
so we have to know strategies...

00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:09.440
...to be able to catch them...

00:27:09.680 --> 00:27:12.880
...while they charge money
for criminal acts.

00:27:13.120 --> 00:27:15.600
Here, 100 metres back,
there\'s a high school...

00:27:15.880 --> 00:27:18.200
...regrettably, we arrested a minor
with a fire arm...

00:27:18.240 --> 00:27:24.080
...just as they charged extortion,
15,000 Lempiras at the time.

00:27:24.360 --> 00:27:25.360
To who?

00:27:25.680 --> 00:27:28.160
Someone that was part
of the transport sector

00:27:34.680 --> 00:27:38.960
To get here, we have come escorted,
protected by bulletproof vests,...

00:27:39.080 --> 00:27:40.360
...is this necessary?

00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:43.680
Yes, it\'s a safety measure,
because it\'s a precaution measure.

00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:47.000
Right now we are up high,
are we been observed?

00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:48.440
Yes, most likely...

00:27:48.600 --> 00:27:52.560
...inside some of these houses,
relatives or active members...

00:27:52.760 --> 00:27:55.840
...of the gang known as the \"18th\"
could be informing them...

00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:58.160
...on the phone
about what\'s going on.

00:27:58.360 --> 00:28:02.040
Right now, these women
are getting closer to our left.

00:28:02.360 --> 00:28:03.440
Yes, it could be.

00:28:03.480 --> 00:28:05.640
It\'s intriguing
that they are passing through...

00:28:05.720 --> 00:28:07.360
...the toughest zone
of the wasteland...

00:28:07.680 --> 00:28:09.080
...and they\'ve got close to us.

00:28:09.360 --> 00:28:12.360
Yes, sometimes it can be the mother
or the aunt of a normal gangster.

00:28:13.000 --> 00:28:16.160
They go out for to buy
or for a walk, cross, identify...

00:28:16.360 --> 00:28:18.200
...and subtly pass on the intel.

00:28:18.360 --> 00:28:19.480
They are very astute.

00:28:19.520 --> 00:28:20.840
How long can we be here?

00:28:21.360 --> 00:28:23.840
Look, we are going to continue
to see another place.

00:28:28.360 --> 00:28:30.840
Places, as common in Honduras,...

00:28:31.360 --> 00:28:36.680
...as the headlines on extortion...

00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:41.120
...and the obituaries
that remember the dead.

00:28:46.280 --> 00:28:48.800
Seven years ago
they killed your brother.

00:28:49.080 --> 00:28:51.920
\"LUIS\". TAXI DRIVER.
Seven years ago they killed him.

00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:56.600
It was in front of a house
and a woman told us...

00:28:57.640 --> 00:29:01.160
...she saw men
dressed up as policemen.

00:29:01.520 --> 00:29:03.520
What did they tell her?

00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:08.400
\"Get in, hag,
if you don\'t want us to spray you\".

00:29:09.240 --> 00:29:12.960
She got inside scared and heard
the gunshot that shot my brother.

00:29:13.000 --> 00:29:15.280
They killed your brother
with a gunshot?

00:29:15.440 --> 00:29:17.440
A shot in the head.

00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:22.280
Many times they use police uniforms
to go down streets as policemen.

00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:23.480
Correct, correct.

00:29:24.560 --> 00:29:26.320
Did your brother pay the extortion?

00:29:26.440 --> 00:29:28.280
My brother paid the extortion.

00:29:28.440 --> 00:29:30.200
Did he ever refuse to pay it?

00:29:30.360 --> 00:29:32.520
He never refused to pay
because of that...

00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:35.760
...because here,
those who refuse, well,...

00:29:36.440 --> 00:29:39.120
...are killed at one point
or another.

00:29:39.160 --> 00:29:40.480
Despite the extortion
is being paid,...

00:29:40.520 --> 00:29:42.400
...when the taxi driver
walks on the street...

00:29:42.440 --> 00:29:44.880
...he\'s exposed
to whatever happens to him.

00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:46.440
Yes, correct, yes.

00:29:47.480 --> 00:29:49.160
Your brother
was a collateral victim...

00:29:49.200 --> 00:29:50.800
...because of an issue
with a passenger.

00:29:50.840 --> 00:29:51.840
Correct.

00:29:51.880 --> 00:29:55.200
Why did they kill him
if he had nothing to do with it?

00:29:55.360 --> 00:29:59.800
The problem here is that if you
see that they are \"mareros\"...

00:29:59.920 --> 00:30:01.160
...and they\'ve done something,...

00:30:01.960 --> 00:30:03.960
...they think you will tattletale.

00:30:04.560 --> 00:30:06.840
They killed him so he can\'t talk.
-Correct.

00:30:07.160 --> 00:30:08.600
Here, people don\'t talk.

00:30:08.640 --> 00:30:11.800
Here people don\'t talk
because of the same thing,...

00:30:11.960 --> 00:30:15.040
...fear for their family
and all that.

00:30:15.200 --> 00:30:18.880
Isn\'t there a final investigation
that has arrived and said:...

00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:21.000
...\"This is exactly what happened\"?

00:30:21.040 --> 00:30:24.320
Exactly, here,
deaths go unpunished,...

00:30:24.520 --> 00:30:27.040
...they never investigate
like they should investigate them.

00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:29.480
Right now, you drive a taxi.
-Yes.

00:30:29.680 --> 00:30:32.000
In spite of what happened
to your brother.

00:30:32.040 --> 00:30:36.040
Yes, I made the decision
because I couldn\'t find a job...

00:30:36.080 --> 00:30:38.640
...and this is the only job
I could get.

00:30:38.680 --> 00:30:40.360
You drive your brother\'s car.

00:30:40.480 --> 00:30:42.480
No, I don\'t drive that car.

00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:47.160
That car was sold
and we bought another.

00:30:47.360 --> 00:30:48.800
Why did you sell it?

00:30:49.320 --> 00:30:50.680
Because of the same,...

00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:54.560
...the fear of them...

00:30:55.720 --> 00:30:59.040
...reprisals against me.

00:30:59.880 --> 00:31:02.640
To mislead,
because you don\'t know sometimes...

00:31:03.160 --> 00:31:07.240
...if they reprise
against the dead person\'s family.

00:31:07.600 --> 00:31:09.600
Didn\'t they ask for extortion?

00:31:09.760 --> 00:31:12.720
Well,
I have been paying for some time.

00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:17.280
I paid extortion for some time
because we were in a spot.

00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:20.320
Here, you pay extortion
in all the taxi spots.

00:31:20.640 --> 00:31:22.160
When did you stop paying?

00:31:22.800 --> 00:31:24.800
Around...

00:31:27.560 --> 00:31:29.560
...seven-eight months ago,
more or less.

00:31:30.360 --> 00:31:32.360
You stopped paying the war tax
very recently?

00:31:32.640 --> 00:31:35.640
Yes, very little time ago,
because I got out of the spot...

00:31:36.840 --> 00:31:40.920
...and started working with clients
only by phonecall.

00:31:41.320 --> 00:31:43.080
So, like, a client calls me:...

00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:45.160
...\"Look, I\'m here,
can you come, pick me up\".

00:31:45.480 --> 00:31:47.480
\"I\'ll be there, don\'t worry.\"

00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:50.520
Are you going to continue
being a taxi driver?

00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:52.960
For as long as God allows me...

00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:55.720
...and to be able to raise my kids.

00:31:57.360 --> 00:32:00.840
What if your son
asks you to be driver?

00:32:01.000 --> 00:32:03.000
I wouldn\'t let him.

00:32:03.360 --> 00:32:07.560
I would fight till the end
for him to be someone in life.

00:32:20.400 --> 00:32:21.760
Josue, how old are you?

00:32:21.800 --> 00:32:22.800
17

00:32:24.720 --> 00:32:26.720
How old were you
when you entered the Mara?

00:32:27.080 --> 00:32:28.080
When I was 10.

00:32:28.520 --> 00:32:29.920
What Mara did you belong to?

00:32:30.240 --> 00:32:31.480
To the Mara Salvatrucha.

00:32:31.520 --> 00:32:33.720
When you say
the name Mara Salvatrucha,..

00:32:33.800 --> 00:32:35.800
...what do you feel now?

00:32:36.360 --> 00:32:38.360
I start thinking a lot,...

00:32:38.600 --> 00:32:41.000
...because it\'s what
I fought for everyday.

00:32:41.600 --> 00:32:45.200
To be someone in the Mara,
do you understand?

00:32:46.200 --> 00:32:50.200
\"JOSUE\". Ex-Mara Salvatrucha (MS13)
But now I see things differently.

00:32:50.320 --> 00:32:53.720
I start thinking about how
I was scammed, by getting hyped...

00:32:53.760 --> 00:32:58.320
...for something that took me
closer to death little by little.

00:32:58.360 --> 00:33:00.360
Why did you go in?

00:33:01.000 --> 00:33:05.120
Well, I wanted to feel
what it\'s like to have a weapon...

00:33:05.480 --> 00:33:10.440
...because I\'ve thought about it
and that was what seduced me.

00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:14.760
How do you become part of it?

00:33:15.160 --> 00:33:17.600
I was pals with the guy
that had the last word.

00:33:17.960 --> 00:33:20.840
The guy with the last word
is the guy in charge.

00:33:21.120 --> 00:33:24.040
I wanted to be part of the family,
because within the Mara...

00:33:24.240 --> 00:33:26.760
...they call it a family,
that it\'s like a family.

00:33:27.240 --> 00:33:29.960
In reality, they are a family
because they scam with that,...

00:33:30.200 --> 00:33:31.400
...they tangle you up.

00:33:31.600 --> 00:33:33.600
When I met Carman he told me:

00:33:33.840 --> 00:33:35.840
\"We\'re going to get your clothes,
your house,...

00:33:36.040 --> 00:33:38.040
...I don\'t care
if your mother gets upset\".

00:33:38.200 --> 00:33:41.160
My mother would get angry
because she wouldn\'t let me go.

00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:44.280
If your master gets angry
they see what they can do to her.

00:33:44.640 --> 00:33:46.280
And you agreed?
-Yes, I agreed.

00:33:46.480 --> 00:33:48.080
For them to do something
to your mother.

00:33:48.360 --> 00:33:50.360
Yes, I wanted to leave everything
for the Mara...

00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:52.920
...because there is a saying
within the Mara that goes:

00:33:53.360 --> 00:33:56.400
\"You have to live for your mother
and die for the Mara\".

00:33:57.040 --> 00:34:01.000
I left and we got to the well
where I had settled.

00:34:02.320 --> 00:34:05.320
They invited me to a weed cigar,
I smoked weed...

00:34:05.600 --> 00:34:10.680
...and when I got real high, crazy,
they beat me the 13 seconds.

00:34:11.080 --> 00:34:15.760
The 13 seconds are the seconds
in which the Mara members hit you.

00:34:16.400 --> 00:34:19.840
They hit you,
the first hit is in the face...

00:34:20.040 --> 00:34:23.320
...so you don\'t feel the rest,
you can pass out after the first.

00:34:23.600 --> 00:34:26.640
Then, later, they pick you up,
they all hugged me and said:

00:34:26.840 --> 00:34:28.560
\"Now you\'re part of the family\".

00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:31.280
I stopped being the donkey
that said childish things...

00:34:31.480 --> 00:34:34.800
...and my mind started
coming up pure evil.

00:34:34.840 --> 00:34:37.360
How long did it take
before you returned to your mother?

00:34:37.520 --> 00:34:39.520
Six months after entering.

00:34:40.160 --> 00:34:42.160
They told me
I couldn\'t go to my house...

00:34:42.440 --> 00:34:45.080
...because they said if she saw me,
she would call the police...

00:34:45.240 --> 00:34:48.480
...to take me
to a minors reformation centre.

00:34:49.040 --> 00:34:51.040
Explain the Mara ranks.

00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:54.600
When I started out I was flag,
then \"traca\".

00:34:54.640 --> 00:34:57.000
After \"traca\",
you start pulling the trigger,...

00:34:57.040 --> 00:34:58.440
...they give you a weapon.

00:34:58.480 --> 00:35:00.400
That\'s what you wanted
to be from the start.

00:35:00.440 --> 00:35:01.520
Yes, what I wanted.

00:35:01.560 --> 00:35:04.000
Your face changes when you tell me.
-Yes, dude.

00:35:04.520 --> 00:35:08.200
Until I got what I wanted,
I felt happy in my mind.

00:35:09.080 --> 00:35:11.080
What was that first death like?

00:35:11.200 --> 00:35:13.200
The first death was the bus helper.

00:35:13.560 --> 00:35:15.000
You kidnapped the bus charger?

00:35:15.040 --> 00:35:18.400
Yes,
because he was the target to kill.

00:35:18.440 --> 00:35:20.760
\"Hit it, hit it, hit it\",
they told me.

00:35:20.880 --> 00:35:24.240
They pressured me
to shoot, shoot, shoot.

00:35:24.480 --> 00:35:26.480
The shot was wasted
out of pure nerves.

00:35:27.200 --> 00:35:30.160
The first time I shot, I missed.

00:35:30.320 --> 00:35:32.160
It skimmed his head.

00:35:32.440 --> 00:35:36.840
When I saw that the rest
like me wouldn\'t make it...

00:35:37.240 --> 00:35:39.760
...I caught him, lifted his head...

00:35:39.920 --> 00:35:41.920
...and discharged the bullets
to the head.

00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:44.760
You unloaded all the chamber?
-I unloaded the chamber.

00:35:45.120 --> 00:35:46.400
From then on...

00:35:47.560 --> 00:35:49.960
After the first kill,
they made me kill many.

00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:55.480
I started to receive a payload,
they started paying money and all.

00:35:55.680 --> 00:35:57.360
I started going higher
little by little.

00:35:57.400 --> 00:35:59.120
How much did they pay you
to kill someone?

00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:01.640
I earned 2,000 a week.

00:36:01.960 --> 00:36:03.280
2,000 lempiras?
-Weekly.

00:36:03.560 --> 00:36:07.440
Every week, they gave me tips
for my birthday, for Christmas.

00:36:07.880 --> 00:36:12.960
Everything, I lacked nothing,
except I lacked my mother\'s love.

00:36:13.200 --> 00:36:15.200
How many people have you killed?

00:36:16.240 --> 00:36:20.040
Approximately, around 14-16.

00:36:20.080 --> 00:36:21.680
Do you remember those times?

00:36:21.720 --> 00:36:26.440
Yes, sometimes I am sleeping
and dreams come to me.

00:36:26.800 --> 00:36:29.160
A great sense of guilt inside me.

00:36:46.200 --> 00:36:47.360
Come forth champions!

00:36:47.720 --> 00:36:48.720
Good afternoon.

00:36:49.760 --> 00:36:50.800
Are you okay?

00:36:59.760 --> 00:37:02.200
Is there are difference
between a Mara and a gang?

00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:03.280
No, no.

00:37:03.320 --> 00:37:05.280
Is there a difference
between Salvatrucha and the \"18th\"?

00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:06.760
Yes, well, the conflict.

00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:09.960
These Maras or gangs began in L.A.,

00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:12.720
block 18, highway 18.

00:37:12.760 --> 00:37:14.160
EDUARDO MARTÍN. PRIEST

00:37:14.200 --> 00:37:18.520
And, they were the men in charge
of extorting with prostitution.

00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:23.680
Extorting using getaway cars,
extorting by drug dealing.

00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:27.000
It came to Latin America...

00:37:27.040 --> 00:37:29.440
Of course,
they are vicious youngsters.

00:37:29.480 --> 00:37:32.920
Youngsters frustrated with life.

00:37:33.800 --> 00:37:37.480
So, they live off
of the sweat of people in front...

00:37:38.120 --> 00:37:40.720
...and they have found out how,
extorting...

00:37:40.920 --> 00:37:42.720
...a grave, grave issue.

00:37:43.240 --> 00:37:45.360
The gangs and Maras use minors.

00:37:45.760 --> 00:37:47.600
Most are minors,...

00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:49.560
...they begin
by becoming their friends...

00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:51.960
...they invite them
to consume drugs.

00:37:52.000 --> 00:37:53.440
First, they give it away,...

00:37:53.680 --> 00:37:56.040
...then they\'ll make them
sell it...

00:37:56.280 --> 00:37:57.880
...wholesale in some areas.

00:37:58.040 --> 00:38:01.400
Little by little,
they incite them be docile,...

00:38:01.680 --> 00:38:04.080
...to be what the Mara wants.

00:38:04.400 --> 00:38:08.080
The one at the top dominates,
controls, manipulates.

00:38:08.360 --> 00:38:13.640
But the poor marero isn\'t
someone that lives, let\'s say,...

00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:16.280
...with great wealth...

00:38:16.720 --> 00:38:21.520
...that lives without looking back,
without running, they\'re not free.

00:38:22.000 --> 00:38:25.440
The youngsters in the Mara
don\'t tend to live over 30.

00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:30.080
The streets act as a judge too
and they keep dying...

00:38:30.240 --> 00:38:32.160
...whom kills with iron,
dies by iron.

00:38:32.200 --> 00:38:34.520
Being a businessman,
even a small businessman...

00:38:34.560 --> 00:38:36.240
...is risking one\'s life here?

00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:39.560
Yes, it is delicate,
getting luxuries...

00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:43.200
...buying a car,
having a motorbike with a radio,...

00:38:43.560 --> 00:38:46.360
...with lights,
going with it to the colony...

00:38:46.560 --> 00:38:48.960
...where you live,
sooner or later,...

00:38:49.200 --> 00:38:52.080
...if you\'re not part of the Mara,
they will descend upon you.

00:38:52.120 --> 00:38:53.760
Does reporting do something?

00:38:53.920 --> 00:38:57.400
Very, very little.
Reporting here isn\'t worth it.

00:38:58.040 --> 00:38:59.200
I don\'t trust them.

00:38:59.240 --> 00:39:03.320
Many policemen I have seen
have extorted me.

00:39:03.360 --> 00:39:06.280
For me,
a policeman is worse than the Mara.

00:39:06.560 --> 00:39:09.480
We\'ll see,
I\'ll tell him what I\'m putting in.

00:39:09.840 --> 00:39:11.840
Come on, dismantling.

00:39:12.080 --> 00:39:14.080
Dismantle them
and put them in the corner.

00:39:14.280 --> 00:39:15.720
Have you ever been threatened?

00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:17.200
No, no, no threats.

00:39:17.320 --> 00:39:19.240
They call on the phone, but no, no.

00:39:19.360 --> 00:39:21.040
I\'ve been here 24 years.

00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:24.800
I have seen most of the kids
since before birth...

00:39:24.840 --> 00:39:26.440
...the ones in the Maras now.

00:39:26.480 --> 00:39:30.200
So I step on them or catch their
attention with higher up names:

00:39:30.240 --> 00:39:34.560
\"Are you of the \"18th\"?, I\'m going
to call the \"Sureño\", the \"Yoyo\"\".

00:39:34.600 --> 00:39:39.920
So I go out, say, in defence
of what I own by threatening them.

00:39:39.960 --> 00:39:42.200
How many people
can afford to do what you do?

00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:45.400
Well, those of us in the streets,
those that work with them.

00:39:54.800 --> 00:39:56.800
Have you coexisted with extortion?

00:39:57.240 --> 00:40:02.280
My husband was the owner of a taxi,
he drove it...

00:40:02.600 --> 00:40:04.480
...and yes, he was extorted.

00:40:04.520 --> 00:40:09.040
He had to pay
300 lempiras one day,...

00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:11.320
...300 lempiras another day.

00:40:11.520 --> 00:40:13.840
How much
did your husband make daily?

00:40:14.040 --> 00:40:16.840
Between 500 and 600 lempiras.

00:40:16.880 --> 00:40:18.840
And out of those he had to pay...
-Pay the extortion.

00:40:19.120 --> 00:40:20.600
300.
-300.

00:40:20.880 --> 00:40:24.160
More than half?
-Exactly, more than half.

00:40:24.200 --> 00:40:26.880
And when your husband went out
to work every morning...

00:40:27.200 --> 00:40:28.640
...what did you do?
what did you think?

00:40:28.720 --> 00:40:31.280
Entrust his life to God...

00:40:32.240 --> 00:40:34.240
...and have faith
he\'ll come back...

00:40:34.480 --> 00:40:36.480
...the same as he left.

00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:40.560
They caught him thrice,
they took him until the break.

00:40:41.040 --> 00:40:44.160
One time,
they asked for 6,000 lempiras,...

00:40:44.240 --> 00:40:46.240
...from one day to next.

00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:48.040
He told me and I said:

00:40:48.160 --> 00:40:52.120
\"We can\'t continue like this,
sell the car and look for a job,...

00:40:52.360 --> 00:40:54.080
...if you find it...\".

00:40:54.680 --> 00:40:58.440
That\'s when we made the decision
to get rid of the taxi.

00:41:00.920 --> 00:41:03.600
What is it
that the Maras or gangs demand?

00:41:03.920 --> 00:41:07.720
Here, they have a thing called
\"marking territories\".

00:41:08.080 --> 00:41:11.920
So, the youngsters of a colony
can\'t go to another one...

00:41:11.960 --> 00:41:14.800
...if it\'s the enemy Mara,
which happened to my nephew.

00:41:15.560 --> 00:41:16.680
They told him...

00:41:16.960 --> 00:41:18.800
...that they didn\'t want to see
him in x colony...

00:41:19.160 --> 00:41:22.160
...and so we went to church
in that colony...

00:41:22.520 --> 00:41:25.960
...they took him from church
and that\'s why they killed him.

00:41:26.200 --> 00:41:28.200
Did your nephew belong to a gang?

00:41:28.800 --> 00:41:32.200
No, none,
he was an active church member.

00:41:32.680 --> 00:41:34.680
How old was he?
-17.

00:41:34.720 --> 00:41:36.960
He isn\'t the only victim
in your family.

00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:39.280
No, another nephew too.

00:41:39.320 --> 00:41:43.200
He was two months into his job
at the spot,...

00:41:43.240 --> 00:41:48.000
...and, unfortunately, apparently,
he was being extorted...

00:41:48.400 --> 00:41:50.440
...and he couldn\'t pay...

00:41:50.720 --> 00:41:52.720
...so they killed him
because of that.

00:41:53.040 --> 00:41:55.920
They got to the taxi spot
where he was at...

00:41:56.160 --> 00:41:58.400
...shot him twice
and that was all.

00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:01.160
Alma, you are telling
and you\'re telling me with a smile.

00:42:01.200 --> 00:42:05.320
The truth is that you
have to clown around sometimes...

00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:08.280
...because they are things
one doesn\'t forget,...

00:42:10.200 --> 00:42:16.000
...sometimes instead of remembering
family tragedies...

00:42:16.200 --> 00:42:20.160
...so one has to really
act many times.

00:42:20.600 --> 00:42:21.880
Because you think:

00:42:22.200 --> 00:42:24.400
\"This is the country
where we live...

00:42:24.800 --> 00:42:26.800
...and it chose us\".

00:42:28.480 --> 00:42:31.800
It\'s two family members...

00:42:32.760 --> 00:42:36.360
...and we\'re not bad people, right?

00:42:36.440 --> 00:42:38.440
We\'re not bad people.

00:42:38.720 --> 00:42:41.920
Well, my sisters have tried
to educate my nephews...

00:42:42.320 --> 00:42:45.240
...to go on the right path but...

00:42:45.320 --> 00:42:47.920
What you\'re telling me
is very tough.

00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:49.080
It\'s very tough, yes.

00:42:49.240 --> 00:42:53.720
That\'s how it is everyday,
more families losing relatives,...

00:42:55.080 --> 00:42:57.040
...kids becoming orphans,...

00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:00.560
...mothers losing sons.

00:43:02.560 --> 00:43:05.040
Good night,
attorney Pablo Gerardo Matamoros.

00:43:05.080 --> 00:43:07.520
HCH Television Digital
National Auditorium.

00:43:07.680 --> 00:43:12.360
We are at the Suyapa town
of the San Pedro Sula city.

00:43:12.560 --> 00:43:15.640
At this time of night,
paramedics...

00:43:15.840 --> 00:43:18.280
...of the 911 Copeco ambulance...

00:43:18.440 --> 00:43:21.480
...are taking care
of a wounded person.

00:43:21.520 --> 00:43:24.720
On live, at this time of night...

00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:27.040
...we go back at the main studio.

00:43:27.240 --> 00:43:28.480
San Pedro Sula,...

00:43:28.760 --> 00:43:31.680
...Honduras\' second city
is also the most violent.

00:43:32.080 --> 00:43:34.480
In the country\'s
administrative capital,...

00:43:34.680 --> 00:43:37.560
...90% of businesses
are extorted...

00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:39.560
...and there isn\'t one day,...

00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:44.120
...where a journalist
doesn\'t have to cover a death.

00:43:44.880 --> 00:43:50.560
We live injustice as journalists,
walking around here at this time.

00:43:50.600 --> 00:43:54.160
We know the truth of what happens
and that we can\'t hide it.

00:43:54.960 --> 00:43:58.360
We have been covering,
for 16 years, red notes...

00:43:58.400 --> 00:44:01.200
ORLIN CASTRO. FACTUAL JOURNALIST.
...in the San Pedro Sula city...

00:44:01.560 --> 00:44:05.680
...and surrounding communities
that also have violent calls.

00:44:06.360 --> 00:44:11.320
Before, there were
up to 50 weekly deaths.

00:44:12.200 --> 00:44:15.840
Thank God,
the violence rate has lowered,...

00:44:16.360 --> 00:44:19.800
...but the rate of missing people
has risen.

00:44:20.080 --> 00:44:23.000
Has their modus operandi changed?

00:44:23.040 --> 00:44:27.320
Yes, when the government
implemented safety measures here...

00:44:28.160 --> 00:44:32.840
...logically, organised crime
also implements their strategies.

00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:34.760
I live first-hand,...

00:44:34.800 --> 00:44:38.000
...a desperate mother that calls me
because she can\'t find her son.

00:44:38.040 --> 00:44:40.640
That her daughter left to school
and didn\'t come back.

00:44:41.080 --> 00:44:44.480
They still have hope
that they\'ll come back alive...

00:44:45.040 --> 00:44:49.120
...or some hope, the last hope,...

00:44:49.520 --> 00:44:52.920
...which is to have
a Christian funeral.

00:44:54.120 --> 00:44:56.120
Are those gunshots?
-Yes.

00:44:59.480 --> 00:45:01.360
That\'s normal here.

00:45:01.400 --> 00:45:04.440
The house lights haven\'t come on...

00:45:04.680 --> 00:45:07.840
I don\'t hear screams
or alert sounds.

00:45:08.080 --> 00:45:10.080
Well, that\'s normal here.

00:45:10.480 --> 00:45:13.160
People have got used to living
between gunshots.

00:45:13.200 --> 00:45:15.560
Yes, it\'s normal.

00:45:15.800 --> 00:45:18.480
Sometimes they kill someone
at this hour...

00:45:18.520 --> 00:45:21.840
...and no one says anything
until the morning,...

00:45:21.960 --> 00:45:23.960
...when the body
is properly visible.

00:45:24.160 --> 00:45:25.880
Are we safe here?

00:45:26.160 --> 00:45:27.520
Yes, we\'re safe.

00:45:27.760 --> 00:45:30.080
Why?
-God is with us.

00:45:30.360 --> 00:45:32.560
We have to trust him.

00:45:36.600 --> 00:45:38.600
Are you threatened?

00:45:40.240 --> 00:45:42.240
I got a threat, but...

00:45:42.560 --> 00:45:44.480
You can\'t tell me from who.

00:45:44.720 --> 00:45:46.720
No, not telling you now.

00:45:47.480 --> 00:45:48.600
For your safety?

00:45:48.920 --> 00:45:50.600
For my safety, exactly.

00:45:50.640 --> 00:45:53.080
But it\'s
from big government people.

00:45:53.320 --> 00:45:56.760
From the government?
Not the Maras?

00:45:57.080 --> 00:45:58.880
No, I\'m not afraid of the Maras.

00:45:59.080 --> 00:46:02.280
What did Orlin do
to earn the Mara\'s respect?

00:46:02.320 --> 00:46:06.880
Is it that having a camera
gives them certain safety?

00:46:07.600 --> 00:46:12.800
Yes, because they killed
a gangster without confrontation.

00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:14.880
The police?
-Yes.

00:46:14.920 --> 00:46:17.480
They got to a house and instead
of arresting they killed him.

00:46:17.520 --> 00:46:18.520
Yes, yes.

00:46:18.560 --> 00:46:24.440
So, sometimes I had to be there
between the sword and the wall,...

00:46:24.680 --> 00:46:28.840
...and after seeing a camera
many situations halt.

00:46:31.120 --> 00:46:34.080
Have you filmed deaths
of people that were being extorted?

00:46:34.280 --> 00:46:35.280
Yes, many.

00:46:35.320 --> 00:46:38.640
The extorter hits
where it hurts most...

00:46:39.080 --> 00:46:41.160
...as a means of pressure.

00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:47.080
They study the most loved driver,
they study the oldest driver...

00:46:47.840 --> 00:46:52.600
...so that it hurts the businessman
and they pay extortion faster.

00:46:53.560 --> 00:46:58.320
What does Honduras need
for the extortion to lower or end?

00:46:58.960 --> 00:47:03.520
Politicians not maintaining them
how they want all the time:

00:47:03.560 --> 00:47:04.560
stupid.

00:47:04.600 --> 00:47:06.600
Us being under-educated...

00:47:06.920 --> 00:47:09.400
...so they can keep making politics...

00:47:09.680 --> 00:47:12.040
...out of violence
and the failure of Honduras.

00:47:12.080 --> 00:47:17.040
I know that behind the youngster
that belongs to a gang...

00:47:17.640 --> 00:47:22.640
...there is a dark side
as to why he is in the gang.

00:47:46.040 --> 00:47:47.040
Where are we?

00:47:48.440 --> 00:47:49.800
What\'s going on?

00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:53.000
\"DUCK\". TOWN 18 TRIGGER (M-18)

00:47:53.080 --> 00:47:54.520
Everything alright?

00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:56.760
What were you looking at?

00:47:57.480 --> 00:47:59.400
Nothing, seeing if it\'s the police.

00:47:59.600 --> 00:48:01.080
The police comes
into these colonies?

00:48:01.200 --> 00:48:02.480
Yes, dude.

00:48:02.800 --> 00:48:05.520
And when they enter
what do they do?

00:48:05.840 --> 00:48:09.400
Well, the normal routine,
sometimes they look at you...

00:48:09.440 --> 00:48:13.200
...because they think you look
strange, so they stop you.

00:48:13.240 --> 00:48:14.680
Has the police detained you?

00:48:14.720 --> 00:48:16.600
Yes, I have been imprisoned.

00:48:22.480 --> 00:48:25.800
This is the \"18th\" territory,
of town 18.

00:48:25.840 --> 00:48:28.040
Yes, a town\'s sector.

00:48:28.200 --> 00:48:31.920
Now we\'re in the colony,
but four or five streets down...

00:48:31.960 --> 00:48:36.040
...there is another colony owned
by the Mara Salvatrucha, the MS13.

00:48:36.080 --> 00:48:37.600
If you go there, what happens?

00:48:37.640 --> 00:48:38.880
They kill me, dude.

00:48:39.040 --> 00:48:41.840
And if someone
from the MS comes here?

00:48:42.720 --> 00:48:44.480
We kill them at once.

00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:48.920
What do you do in the town?

00:48:49.040 --> 00:48:50.840
I\'m the trigger of the Town.

00:48:50.880 --> 00:48:53.040
What does it mean
to be the trigger?

00:48:53.080 --> 00:48:57.600
That, if any town leader orders
to get someone, one has to go.

00:48:57.640 --> 00:49:01.560
If they send you to kill upfront,
one has to go to kill...

00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:04.000
...to whichever town they say.

00:49:04.480 --> 00:49:07.040
Who decided
that you become the trigger?

00:49:08.120 --> 00:49:09.320
The town.

00:49:09.360 --> 00:49:11.160
Can\'t you decide
what you want to do?

00:49:11.200 --> 00:49:14.480
No, the town people
give you the privilege.

00:49:15.720 --> 00:49:16.920
Is killing a privilege?

00:49:16.960 --> 00:49:18.080
Yes, dude.

00:49:18.680 --> 00:49:22.000
Once you kill,
do you need to do it again?

00:49:22.440 --> 00:49:23.760
Yes.

00:49:24.240 --> 00:49:26.240
Once you killed the first,...

00:49:26.760 --> 00:49:29.840
...it\'s normal, you feel nothing.

00:49:30.960 --> 00:49:31.960
You feel nothing?

00:49:32.000 --> 00:49:33.000
No.

00:49:34.280 --> 00:49:36.280
What goes through your mind?

00:49:36.480 --> 00:49:38.480
Nothing.

00:49:39.640 --> 00:49:41.640
How many people have you killed?

00:49:42.640 --> 00:49:45.160
Me personhood, alone, five.

00:49:45.880 --> 00:49:47.880
And with more people, in combo?

00:49:48.160 --> 00:49:50.160
Like ten.

00:49:50.480 --> 00:49:51.840
What do you do?

00:49:52.160 --> 00:49:54.400
We go in from behind...

00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:57.160
...and if we have to pickle them,
we pickle them.

00:49:57.200 --> 00:49:58.800
Pickle them is to dismember?

00:49:59.080 --> 00:50:00.360
Yes, dude.

00:50:00.400 --> 00:50:01.400
You\'ve done it?

00:50:01.440 --> 00:50:02.520
Yes.

00:50:06.760 --> 00:50:08.760
Where you do get,...

00:50:09.480 --> 00:50:11.760
...I don\'t if to say
courage or craziness...

00:50:11.800 --> 00:50:13.000
...to be able to do it?

00:50:13.480 --> 00:50:15.880
I only concentrate
on what I\'m going to do...

00:50:16.120 --> 00:50:19.720
...and it\'s normal, I do the round
and everything is fine.

00:50:21.440 --> 00:50:22.840
Do you have a family?
-Yes.

00:50:23.480 --> 00:50:25.000
Does your mother know what you do?

00:50:25.240 --> 00:50:29.600
She knows I\'m around the town
but she doesn\'t know what I do.

00:50:29.640 --> 00:50:32.800
She doesn\'t know that you started
extorting and that now you kill?

00:50:32.840 --> 00:50:33.880
She doesn\'t know.

00:50:34.200 --> 00:50:35.560
Do you have brothers?

00:50:35.600 --> 00:50:36.600
Yes.

00:50:36.840 --> 00:50:40.480
What if one comes now
and says he wants in on the gang?

00:50:40.520 --> 00:50:42.560
I\'m not going to deny
him the town...

00:50:42.600 --> 00:50:44.960
...but the only thing I say is,
seeing what the vibe is like...

00:50:45.120 --> 00:50:47.120
...if he ends up fucking up
in the town.

00:50:47.400 --> 00:50:49.640
...we will kill him ourselves.

00:50:49.680 --> 00:50:50.680
Your own brother?

00:50:50.720 --> 00:50:51.760
Yes.

00:50:52.080 --> 00:50:55.160
As long as the town says so,
everything is fine.

00:50:58.080 --> 00:51:01.960
They do what the town
or the Mara say, without thought.

00:51:02.000 --> 00:51:04.760
In front of their homies,
they try to seem brave...

00:51:04.920 --> 00:51:06.080
...and boast about blood.

00:51:06.320 --> 00:51:08.200
In front of the camera,
their voice doesn\'t shake...

00:51:08.520 --> 00:51:11.400
...and I\'m sure
that if they receive orders,...

00:51:11.560 --> 00:51:13.760
...their trigger
wouldn\'t shake either.

00:51:14.160 --> 00:51:17.120
But once we have said goodbye,
before leaving...

00:51:17.360 --> 00:51:19.320
...one of them asks me,
very faintly...

00:51:19.600 --> 00:51:22.520
...if, in my country,
policemen shoot before asking...

00:51:22.760 --> 00:51:25.880
...and if kids like him
are murderers.